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On February 11 2014 01:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:Palmar why does Holyflare look okay? I found his post about some of the votes worrying. This one: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=442512¤tpage=41#803This to me (especially considering the timing) looks like "let's find some people suspicious given that Cora will flip town". This posts doesn't seem to be achieving anything and Holyflare brings it up later with a mindset that to me reads like "look what i said earlier".
I think I'm ok with Holyflare at the moment. I remember something that Cora wrote:
"Holy went to a lot of effort just to +1 a vote, looks like town"
and I read that and thought "actually, usually mafia overjustify their votes, that's not right".
But I thought about it a little bit more, and it seemed like *SO* much effort to go to to +1 a vote, that maybe it comes from town after all.
Further when he brought up his post on voting, it felt more like that he felt he made good analysis that he wanted the thread to talk about, rather than mafia wanting to show off their contributions.
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The main issue I have with Holy is his activity, and we'll see on that
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I don't really agree with that assessment tbh. Do you remember something I wrote about Holy in Vengeful?
I said his focus on Prome looked suspicious, but he had more little posts that I felt were more likely to come from a town-Holy. I expect longer blocks of paragraph + text from a mafia Holy than I've seen this game. It's not conclusive but it means I'm not particularly interested in him atm
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On February 11 2014 01:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
As in he explained himself pretty clearly and it could clearly be seen where his mind was at (as in who his suspects were and how he felt about the game emotionally). Here - especially right around the lynch and after that - his mind has been everywhere and there is no clear direction in his posts.
Well, you have to understand I'm in the superior position of viewing him from a position of not knowing his alignment in both games 
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I wish Palmar would stop pushing weird things.
INTERLUDE. TERRIBLE META COMPARISON OF THE DAY:
On May 22 2013 01:11 WaveofShadow wrote:
Why does it feel like you're the only one who's ever around for me to interact with marv?
On February 09 2014 15:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
Fuck this I probably should just assume marv is town every game and just lick his asshole because he's often the only one that bothers to read anything I write.
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It's better than that - I remembered it and went looking for it.
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On February 11 2014 02:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marv, one thing. Look at geript's post where he says he has a town read on you and that he needs to look into my posts. Does it make sense to you? Afaik we have been pretty much on the same page, and geript has relied heavily on met areads in this game. Therefore i see no logic in those statements from town!pov, given especially the setup and the phase that's coming up where scum need to break up "town circles" in case they wanna get rid of strong players and/or cast doubt on D2 lynch in the first place.
I'll be back in ~15, sauna the best. <3
Could you be a little more specific? I mean, you're not me and I'm not you. It's possible for someone to have a townread on me and not you and vice versa I suppose. And to people who aren't me and maybe only one or two others, you're more sneaky scum than I am :> No offence to geript, but him saying "I want to look at rayn" has about zero thread impact, it probably just means he wants to look at rayn.
Also Palmar thinks geript is mafia which makes geript very likely to be town.
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On February 11 2014 02:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2014 02:30 marvellosity wrote:On February 11 2014 02:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marv, one thing. Look at geript's post where he says he has a town read on you and that he needs to look into my posts. Does it make sense to you? Afaik we have been pretty much on the same page, and geript has relied heavily on met areads in this game. Therefore i see no logic in those statements from town!pov, given especially the setup and the phase that's coming up where scum need to break up "town circles" in case they wanna get rid of strong players and/or cast doubt on D2 lynch in the first place.
I'll be back in ~15, sauna the best. <3 Could you be a little more specific? I mean, you're not me and I'm not you. It's possible for someone to have a townread on me and not you and vice versa I suppose. And to people who aren't me and maybe only one or two others, you're more sneaky scum than I am :> No offence to geript, but him saying "I want to look at rayn" has about zero thread impact, it probably just means he wants to look at rayn. Also Palmar thinks geript is mafia which makes geript very likely to be town. If he thinks you are town, given the meta between us don't you think he would think you have a decent read on me? Like you called me scum for my first post in the last game and called me scum in the end of D1 in the game before the last game i was scum and you were town in.
Meh, maybe? It seems a lot less egregious than Wave ignoring what we think on Koshi, for example. I've never explicitly called you town this game I don't think either, I've just treated you that way mostly, which is more subtle and for people not-us isn't totally evident, and perhaps even if it was evident he'd like to have his own opinion.
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On February 11 2014 02:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2014 02:30 marvellosity wrote:
Also Palmar thinks geript is mafia which makes geript very likely to be town. I don't think this is a good heuristic. Palmar called "confirmed town geript" scum in LXI basically in all of his posts lol.
The fact that I have to clarify that this is banter significantly lessens the impact of said banter. 
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No, but I also don't think it's good logical thinking to think "two people who agree on various things must be the same alignment", at least not to the extent where it's bad to want to look into someone.
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that's not important, like i keep trying to explain.
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Put it this way rayn: if geript is somehow mafia, it won't be for that.
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Did geript play in ##? LXIV? Vengeful?
No...
You're looking at this through our eyes.
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I'll probably dig around geript's meta a little later on, for Palmar's sake if nothing else. I'm not really seeing it at the moment.
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On February 11 2014 03:39 Risen wrote:
I'm guessing a setup nomination to get rid of me. Completely nonsensical people being put up.
can't tell if srs
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I don't get it Risen but I'll take your word for it :p
Just reading the VE stuff, VE never thinks that "normally" for people calling what he was saying a "stretch". Town-VE had an exceptionally convoluted triple-bus theory for quite some time in Shadow.
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On February 11 2014 04:48 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2014 02:06 marvellosity wrote:I wish Palmar would stop pushing weird things. INTERLUDE. TERRIBLE META COMPARISON OF THE DAY: On May 22 2013 01:11 WaveofShadow wrote:
Why does it feel like you're the only one who's ever around for me to interact with marv? On February 09 2014 15:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
Fuck this I probably should just assume marv is town every game and just lick his asshole because he's often the only one that bothers to read anything I write. Show nested quote +On February 11 2014 02:29 Palmar wrote:
Best use of meta I've seen.
I'm totally off the WoS=town wagon now. Is this a fucking bait? Because just tell me now so I don't rage even harder than I'm about to. I HATE being baited. Are you REALLY using meta on me from almost a YEAR ago that not only proves absolutely nothing and ignores all circumstances of the games in which they take place, but also completely ignores my evolving reads on you in the games we've played together since? Like last time someone pulled this terrible meta shit completely unabashedly it was scum Palmar in Thug life, and hey, what do you know, Palmar is here agreeing with marv for some ungodly reason. Like...I really don't understand the point of this nor do I even think I fully understand the meta comparison you're trying to make. Am I overreacting and is this a joke? Because if so I'm not sure I get it.
Are you seriously reacting exactly the same way as mafia-DP to a totally obvious joke-meta post?
Like srsly.
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On February 11 2014 08:48 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2014 08:47 marvellosity wrote:
I don't get it Risen but I'll take your word for it :p
Just reading the VE stuff, VE never thinks that "normally" for people calling what he was saying a "stretch". Town-VE had an exceptionally convoluted triple-bus theory for quite some time in Shadow. Was he right?
no, these theories are almost never right.
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I mean, I literally said "interlude, terrible meta comparison of the day"
how can anyone believe that is serious?
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