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marvellosity
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raynpelikoneet
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geript
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raynpelikoneet
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On February 10 2014 23:31 geript wrote: Because for you I need to look at how and when you pushed things in the thread and where thread sentiment was going and then look at those people. And Vayne because I don't feel like I've gotten to a satisfactory point on him. I am mostly interested in why you need to loo kat me over yamato who did the exact same things than me on D1 except that i actually got my target lynched and he didn't really seem like he cared for the most of the D1. | ||
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geript
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On February 10 2014 23:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: And why is Wave your "townbuddy" because his top scumread seems to be Koshi which is totally different from your reads geript? Bc wave and I have history and at a specific point i get an exact understanding of where he's at. Like Marv/VE or you/Koshi. I just think he's wrong on Koshi. | ||
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geript
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On February 10 2014 23:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am mostly interested in why you need to loo kat me over yamato who did the exact same things than me on D1 except that i actually got my target lynched and he didn't really seem like he cared for the most of the D1. Because I've played more with you than I have with him and feel like from voice I can get a solid read on you. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
On February 10 2014 23:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am mostly interested in why you need to loo kat me over yamato who did the exact same things than me on D1 except that i actually got my target lynched and he didn't really seem like he cared for the most of the D1. I was about to +1 this but I flicked through yamato's filter and he did actually talk about more people than I remembered him doing at the time. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On February 10 2014 23:34 geript wrote: Bc wave and I have history and at a specific point i get an exact understanding of where he's at. Like Marv/VE or you/Koshi. I just think he's wrong on Koshi. So you just let him be wrong about Koshi and don't really give a shit? But i might be scum because i am right on Koshi? On February 10 2014 23:35 geript wrote: Because I've played more with you than I have with him and feel like from voice I can get a solid read on you. Well this is quite bullshit because trying to compare voice mafia meta to forum mafia meta is bad and never holds any water.. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
On February 10 2014 22:01 marvellosity wrote: Moot now, but Cora flipping mafia evidently doesn't make you even close to confirmed town, you should know this with your experience But it should've made me at least very likely town, given how he had been pushing me before he even got into much trouble himself. Also do you think I'm smart enough to make that bold claim as mafia, knowing he was never going to flip mafia? Possible, but not probable. On February 10 2014 22:01 marvellosity wrote: General appeal to "subjective" and "objective" scumminess which isn't specific in this post but across the rest of your posts. There's no such thing as subjective or objective scumminess really, and pushing "objective" scumminess is a cop out for pushing bad lynches because people are doing "bad" things. Maybe I'm using the terms incorrectly, but here's what I meant. Whenever I say "objective reasons" it's something that is done by the player that is inherently scummy, no matter who does it. This can be pushing shitty lynches, not reading the thread, lurking, making bad comments, expecting other people to play the game for you etc etc. Anything directly done by the player in question that should always raise some alarms. Whenever I said "subjective reasons", I mean something that is not directly related to this player's posting in the current game, and depends on some external factor. This could be meta-ish (ex: "I'd expect him to rage here but he didn't"). There is nothing scummy about not raging, unless you factor in something else. But in THIS case I mostly meant stuff like how easy the wagon was, how silly his vote would be if mafia, how no one was really defending him etc. So at least now you know what I mean, I think you're smart enough to see why these aren't the same, even if my I misused some terms. On February 10 2014 22:01 marvellosity wrote: Random-ass unexplained list of people you want to lynch, including me, who you should "subjectively" not be wanting to lynch by this stage in the game. Including me in this list makes you bad or mafia, and I hold you to higher standards than I do the rest of this game. You hadn't, and still really haven't, done much to help a game along that desperately needed focused discussion. It was clear that my push on geript which at the time was I think one of the few well-constructed theories in the game wasn't really being listened to because apparently he is immune to being scum (thank you based Corazon). We really could've used some focused discussion from you, but instead you did a vote on Oats that felt almost disinterested, and only explained it when I asked you to, and turned out your reasons were basically just meta stuff I can't really connect with as I haven't played with Oats nearly as much as you. I mean I could just sheep you in that case, but you hardly even tried to convince anyone you're town. So yeah, I dumped you in the list of people more likely to be mafia, but I don't pretend to think I was entirely right on every mafia on day one, and I didn't actively push for your lynch (in hindsight, you may have noted I specifically did not join that tiny marv-wagon that was forming). You're being decisively null, I wish you did something to convince us one way or the other. On February 10 2014 22:01 marvellosity wrote: Random ellipses with yamato, why even bother saying it? What is the whole post trying to achieve? Why not say it? Do you think less information is helpful in any way? I sincerely have no idea about yamato. I think my early game notes said something like "useless, but I guess he's often useless so idk". I'm still unsure on him. From where I currently stand there is a pool of gray pile in the middle-ish of this game, mostly made up of experienced players, and I'm having a hard time figuring out who's what. I still think geript is scum. I still think WoS and Risen are unlikely to be scum. I still think Oats and VA are somewhat unlikely to be scum. Holyflare actually came on strong when he started posting, so that's good, but his long absence is sort of discomforting, along with the fact that he brought very little new discussion. Although his questioning of me tonight has been pretty good. This leaves a bit of a mess with you, rayn, kosher, yamato, ve and grack in it, where I think 3 are scum. at least 2 but maybe 3. Clearing you would help a lot figuring out this game. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
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geript
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On February 10 2014 23:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: So you just let him be wrong about Koshi and don't really give a shit? But i might be scum because i am right on Koshi? Well this is quite bullshit because trying to compare voice mafia meta to forum mafia meta is bad and never holds any water.. I let him do his thing on Koshi because my time is pretty limited 1 so my ability to read thoroughly is down, because he should read me as obv town by now (and at least consider my opinion), because our schedules haven't seemed to align yet and because Wave needs the back and forth. Besides, at no point has Koshi ever been under any actual realistic lynch potential. I really don't get why you'd expect me to protect a townread when there's no chance of him being lynched right now. No, I think you might be scum because of how/when you pushed things. With you I need to go into more depth in a read than just filters. And yes, while voice doesn't transfer over 100% I don't think it's a 0% rate either. Like you make conscientious attempts to protect your scum bros until they're Unsalvageable. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
His move off Corazon felt really contrived towards the end of the day. Voting Oats with "shenannies" with this reasoning: On February 10 2014 08:52 VayneAuthority wrote: switch to grack? eh nah I don't see that yet. oats is a hail mary and I think he is due for a scum game and this looks like it so far. also not a bad lynch on it's own merit given what I've stated (it's pretty much like lynching me except not lynching me) - and then when pressed by me on how/why, he said: And yet, despite the fact it didn't look like his scumgame and maybe it was all some sort of game - his vote remained on Oats at the end of the day. Basically an astonishing misuse of his vote that apparently no-one notices or cares about. Because it's VA? | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
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marvellosity
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geript
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On February 10 2014 23:52 marvellosity wrote: Palmar isn't buddying me at all in that post. Thats what he wants you to think. | ||
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marvellosity
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On February 10 2014 23:51 marvellosity wrote: VA is quite likely to be scum I think, why don't you think so? His move off Corazon felt really contrived towards the end of the day. Voting Oats with "shenannies" with this reasoning: - and then when pressed by me on how/why, he said: And yet, despite the fact it didn't look like his scumgame and maybe it was all some sort of game - his vote remained on Oats at the end of the day. Basically an astonishing misuse of his vote that apparently no-one notices or cares about. Because it's VA? Its so bad though. Like soooooo bad. And Va can play perfectly good town as scum. So why do this? | ||
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marvellosity
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On February 10 2014 23:50 geript wrote: I let him do his thing on Koshi because my time is pretty limited 1 so my ability to read thoroughly is down, because he should read me as obv town by now (and at least consider my opinion), because our schedules haven't seemed to align yet and because Wave needs the back and forth. Besides, at no point has Koshi ever been under any actual realistic lynch potential. I really don't get why you'd expect me to protect a townread when there's no chance of him being lynched right now. No, I think you might be scum because of how/when you pushed things. With you I need to go into more depth in a read than just filters. And yes, while voice doesn't transfer over 100% I don't think it's a 0% rate either. Like you make conscientious attempts to protect your scum bros until they're Unsalvageable. So do you care at all about the Koshi wagon which had no case behind it and some people just throwing their votes on Koshi and not commenting on Corazon at all. Namely VE and Oats as WoS actually provided even a read on Koshi although it was not strong. | ||
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