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In fact I'll repost it so people can see:
On February 10 2014 09:12 Holyflare wrote:These are some pretty crazy suspicious votes that you guys have put down. These all occur after my case on cora being mafia was made and it looked pretty damn certain that he was going to get lynched. (I'll check the votes before too because a few of those looked bad as well) I'll highlight the suspicious things for you. Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 06:10 Koshi wrote:
Well I can vote Cora. But let it be known that I supported a VA lynch way more. For the belt.
##unvote
##vote: Cora Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 08:49 Koshi wrote:
Well yeah. Not enough people here. Nobody leading stuff.
This is a townlynch.
One of marv / rayn is going to be scum most likely. or both.
why aren't you here? Put's downa vote on cora. Says the wagon IS A town lynch while STILL having his vote on cora all along. Like what's the point of this? His initial vote on cora doesn't even say WHY he is lynching cora. It just says he's voting for him but he still wants to lynch VA. After being called out on it he says it was bs to trick people? Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 09:05 Koshi wrote:On February 10 2014 08:59 marvellosity wrote:
Effectively you were bullshitting and now you have to back down because you can't back up anything you said, right? Oh that was to me. Yes. Basically. wut?
Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 06:24 Palmar wrote:
Btw Cora's filter was shorter than expected. This feels a bit off, but I'm just going to vote him anyway. Let's just assume mafia is not defending each other
##Unvote
##Vote: Corazon
Read my filter for the reasons, I had already pointed some stuff about him out. I also hated his early "get off the hook" post, and tbh, fuck him for wanting to kill me. While you may have listed 1000000000 reasons for cora being mafia in your filter, why did you NOT put a vote down until after my case? In fact, if all your reasons are before my case then my case is the only convincing factor for you to lynch him. Show nested quote +I worry about the Cora wagon. I pointed out some inconsistency in his play myself, but his random vote on me there before he switched is really head scratching if he's mafia. Now his is obviously not going to make much sense to anyone but myself, but given how he's been wanting to kill me and been casually calling me out all game, it seems like a strange vote as it makes it more likely he'll flip AND if he flips mafia he's basically confirming me as town.
You display hesitance that all of your reads up to that point are head scratching from mafia cora but then you also use all of those reasons that you previously mentioned to then vote him? Which is is it? Is he mafia because of them or town because of them? Why even qualify your read with a "this feels off" and then vote him anyway?
Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 04:04 VayneAuthority wrote:
##vote: Corazon
only "real" lynch i like i guess before real full blown steam on cora was ahead, this vote went down ^^^^^ after wagon of justice the below happens Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 07:54 VayneAuthority wrote:
##unvote
##vote: oatsmaster
shenanigans I don't even know what's in his mind about cora or oats.... just shenanigans after saying cora was the only one he liked the look of lynching?
Are all these people scum or what?
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Do you think arguing with your scum read is useful? I'm pretty sure that's what he was trying to avoid with that post. So why would you just ignore him instead of thinking that could be a possibility?
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-.- Don't respond for other people.
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On February 10 2014 10:01 Grackaroni wrote:
I always argue with my scum reads. It's really helpful honestly.
Grack, why did you take no stance on Cora the entire game despite him being the main wagon, the most voted player, looking scummy and being town?
You even questioned his intentions with Palmar here:
On February 09 2014 11:46 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 07:57 Corazon wrote:
Yeah I really don't feel like defending myself. I'm just gonna wait for Yamato to reply to my message.
Btw, you guys should look into Palmar's vote of Geript. Wouldn't it make a lot of sense for scum to try and rile up Geript for no reason? Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 10:58 Corazon wrote:On February 09 2014 10:47 marvellosity wrote:
Maybe if Palmar does non-geript or better-geript things and rayn tells me where to look, we can get a good lynch. We could always lynch Palmar for going after Geript, because attacking Geript is a pretty easy thing to do as scum. Cora do you want to vote Palmar?
On February 09 2014 15:09 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 14:52 Corazon wrote:On February 09 2014 11:51 Grackaroni wrote:On February 09 2014 11:49 Corazon wrote:On February 09 2014 11:46 Grackaroni wrote:On February 09 2014 07:57 Corazon wrote:
Yeah I really don't feel like defending myself. I'm just gonna wait for Yamato to reply to my message.
Btw, you guys should look into Palmar's vote of Geript. Wouldn't it make a lot of sense for scum to try and rile up Geript for no reason? On February 09 2014 10:58 Corazon wrote:On February 09 2014 10:47 marvellosity wrote:
Maybe if Palmar does non-geript or better-geript things and rayn tells me where to look, we can get a good lynch. We could always lynch Palmar for going after Geript, because attacking Geript is a pretty easy thing to do as scum. Cora do you want to vote Palmar? Not yet. I'll give Palmar some more time to do something useful. You think he's scum though right? Where did I say that You've been insinuating that he is scum/should be lynched.
What did you think of his responses and then why did you not portray those feelings to us so as to give us more information on the main lynch candidate?
Also, why did you use a throwaway vote on risen with no explanation:
On February 10 2014 03:44 Grackaroni wrote:
Yeah I give up for today. Risen safe lynch; best lynch NA.
##Unvote: VA
##Vote: Risen
but then not push for his lynch, question him or argue with him (seeing as you just stated that arguing with your scum suspect is good)
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Ok then. Explain your town read on koshi to me please because all I get from your filter is
On February 10 2014 03:05 Grackaroni wrote:
I think lynching Koshi is a bad idea.
and On February 10 2014 08:19 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 08:18 Koshi wrote:
How sure are you that I am town Grack? Koshi totes town.
Also, in regards to your thought process. You stated:
On February 10 2014 06:52 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 06:45 geript wrote:##vote GrackaroniFirst off, we can all agree that Grack's been useless this game. Unfortunately, this isn't alignment indicative of him though. There are some good reasons for him to be scum. + Show Spoiler [filters] +1.He's objectively weird but no one has been interested in discussing him. Like he's gotten a complete free pass. 2. The Cora lynch has too much steam. There are way too many people ok with lynching Cora right now for it to end up being a good lynch. On top of that, Cora reacted to Palmar exactly how I had which should be a good litmus test. 3. Grack has bounced around to 3 different people with completely shitty reasons every time. 4. We get to avoid super awkward situations like happened in LXIV. 5. Grack has more swagger as town than he has as scum. Hell he's voted for himself both times as town (once was for mayor). He's also far more negative as scum than he is as town. It's weird to try and describe, but I'm not seeing any sense of confidence coming out of Grack. Most of his statements this game have been qualified: "I do think it could be" "I might be ok" "But you haven't done anything to try to solve the game?" There's a serious disconnect between these posts and how I read him in his other town games. 6. This is weak, but in his scum games he also uses quotes more than he does as town. It feels like his lack of confidence wants him to pad his filter with extra space. That's the bullet point. Rayn/VE your thoughts. This is the only part I'm going to address. I'm definitely less confident about being correct with reads this game; I don't have anyone I really want to lynch too strongly except maybe Marv but he's actually made himself hard to read by just refusing to chat with me.
If marv was the only person you felt it necessary to address when someone talks to you then why was your throwaway vote on risen and NOT on marv? They both would have meant equally as little but then your vote would be on the person you thought was scum? As well as this you JUST stated that:
If it was a close lynch I would have moved my vote either on to Corazon or on to somebody else depending on the situation. After everything you have said about marv after placing your "safe" vote onto risen why would cora be your chosen candidate if the lynch was any closer??
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On February 10 2014 10:52 Grackaroni wrote:
Koshi's posting is very carefree and doesn't seem like his scum posting.
Marv made himself hard to read so I went with a safe lynch rather than a riskier lynch. I could have voted Marv, but I'm not sold on him either.
It depends on who the lynch candidates were. If it was between Oats and Cora I would have moved to Cora. If it was between Cora and WoS there is definitely a possibility I would have moved it to WoS.
I don't understand. Your risen read came out of nowhere even though people posted reasons why he could be town. You then state that risen is unreadable:
On February 10 2014 10:42 Grackaroni wrote:I don't know if he is scum. There was nobody else I felt strongly about lynching though. Safe as in difficult to read and bad reads as town.
If that's the case why did you differentiate between risen and marv as lynch candidates when marv was the person you had talked more about?
Your WoS read is.... doesn't exist?
The only mention of WoS you have in your filter is:
On February 10 2014 03:53 Grackaroni wrote:
I could definitely see Risen doing that as scum. What do you think of WoS, Palmar?
and nothing else. So why would he have been a better candidate than the people that shut you out of discusssion and didn't reply to things that you had stated? Or the person that you voted as a "safe" vote? You had 4 candidates then: WoS, Cora, Risen and Marv?
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On February 10 2014 11:15 Grackaroni wrote:
Oh god no I had like 8 or 9 candidates.
You haven't mentioned all your candidates then? I don't get it. If you increase suspicion because people don't respond to you talking to them then why don't you move onto your next candidate and try and get a better read on them by talking to them instead of just stating that you have "x" number of candidates and hoping people can read your mind?
Why don't you tell the thread this stuff until you are asked to?
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Im response to the wave post after I went to bed. I want people to explain their votes that were unexplained. I don't know anything about someone who unvotes and votes with nothing in their filter saying why. Regardless of whether cora flipped mafia or town this holds true. I wanted people to respond before the flip actually happened because maybe their responses would be more alignment indicative.
For everyone else, wave's long post is really odd. His scum read was koshi but then when koshi "lied" about wave's case wave made that giant post that said nothing other than koshi totes lying and here's why. It was a colossal defence post ment to implicate koshi. He then asked me for conclusions from my questioning about whether people were town or not before nominations occur and it's not our lynch phase.
Both he and grack have almost no mention of cora wagons as far as i remember (grack definitely doesn't after i questioned him). Will post more when I'm back from uni, hold tight.
Marv was town like halfway through day 1 by the way, why did you take so long to notice? He was asking about people, pointing out things and being agreeable with that touch of marv ego assholeishness.
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On February 11 2014 01:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Holyflare when you get back could you explain what exactly is that you find scummy in those posts/stances from people you quoted right before and after the deadline.
Would rather do it after nominations tbh which is probably around the time I'll be back. Got 2 scum i think though.
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On February 11 2014 01:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Holyflare when you get back could you explain what exactly is that you find scummy in those posts/stances from people you quoted right before and after the deadline.
And if you don't know what's scummy about them then you have no hope as a mafia player! One was a safe vote on a guy that wasn't mentioned, another was an unexplained shenanigans and the other one was what looked like someone saying this lynch looks bad, he can't be doing this as scum but voting him anyway?
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On February 11 2014 04:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
FUCKING EXPLAIN WHAT YOU PEOPLE MEAN WHEN YOU SAY THINGS JESUS FUCKING CHRIST
Why are you angry at this? Just make them explain themselves to get a better picture.
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On February 11 2014 04:29 VisceraEyes wrote:
Because I JUST asked Risen to explain his own comment in further detail, then Koshi came in and did the EXACT SAME FUCKING THING.
But it's "not so towny anymore" when i force people to explain their actions?
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I have literally looked at amd made him explain everything that didn't make sense, what more is there to say about him other than a conclusion? Why are you saying nobody had talked about him when that is blatantly not true, you even responded to my posts talking about him.
Why point out that i responded to your case really late, i was playing lol when you made it WITH YOU ON TS and went straight to bed afterwards?
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Only koshi...? I don't think you're reading right at all.
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I just want to know the nominations.... -.- Feel like this dawn thing is kinda pointless as the optimal play is to NOT mention who you think is town like everyone (including rayn who said he agreed with this) has been doing.
Also, wave, wtf are you doing? You just went through gracks filter and pointed out everything I had already brought to light to then reach.... no conclusion, yet, that was the thing you criticised/questioned me for?
Also your post which has pre-flip associations in it shouldn't at all after your last 2 games:
(Vengeful Mafia)
On February 07 2014 08:41 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 08:36 Cephiro wrote:On February 07 2014 08:25 LSB wrote:
I am deeply concerned about Cephiro trying to get a townie to offer themselves as a sacrifice to get me shot. I know that I am a townie, so this falls under my "worst case scenario of townie shooting townie" argument.
This is incredibly different from Marv/HF who are both asking people to lynch them so they can pull the trigger themselves. Unless they are bluffing (which applies more to HF than Marv) mafia should never offer themselves as a sacrifice. 1) I have merely pointed out my suspicions on you and referred to you as my preferred lynch target since I was asked of that specific question. 2) If you are scum, there is no reason for scum to shoot you. I am not in need of tempting another townie to get to shoot you, I am just fine doing it myself. I figure it would be best to talk cooperatively among town who they want to keep around for lategame to ensure the best possibilities of winning. As you might have noticed, I am in no rush to make decisions about who to lynch or who to shoot this cycle, neither was I during last cycle. This is also a reason why I'm sad that Prome was the one to take the shot, since I would have preferred him to stay alive later in the game, and had an more unsure read take the shot.
@Wave: It's suboptimal play. Why guess if we can have facts? Certainly it might not even become a deciding factor of any sorts, but why take the risk? Why not go for the guaranteed information? Disagree. We have direct control over a lynch, not who gets shot. The shooters can technically do whatever they want despite what they may say, and they may or may not mean they're scum. If we lynch two people who then shoot town, and then game doesn't end either way, then we know one of them was scum--- the only thing that the 'guaranteed' information matters is for association cases, which I have very little faith in lately.
(Shadow Mafia)
I've kidna forgotten about Toad so I dunno where I am on that. Thinking of it now I figure much of our downfall this game has been association so I don't think I want to start looking into waht pairs make sense and what don't.
We REALLY should be lynching on merits alone, and then once we have a flip we can start attempting to associate (but even then I'd lean towards solo analysis).
So why did you start out the game with pre-flip associations in your mind when you know that it hasn't been working out for you and even said you don't want to do it in previous 2 games?
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On February 11 2014 06:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
wtf is going on? I can't understand anything in this thread....
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"let's get rid of those possible mislynches for late game" - scum 2014
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On February 11 2014 08:47 marvellosity wrote:
I don't get it Risen but I'll take your word for it :p
Just reading the VE stuff, VE never thinks that "normally" for people calling what he was saying a "stretch". Town-VE had an exceptionally convoluted triple-bus theory for quite some time in Shadow.
not sure his mindframe was the same as this one though
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nominations in 40 minutes right?
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On February 11 2014 08:50 marvellosity wrote:
I mean, I literally said "interlude, terrible meta comparison of the day"
how can anyone believe that is serious?
why are you telling us about obvious scum :o
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