Not sure, but assuming he's town it seems like he's a more likely lynch than me with Risen/Grack crying about marv thinking HF scum. I mean, I'm not sure what you're getting at. Do you think it makes HF more likely scum because of it?

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

February 18 2014 18:32 GMT

#3219

Like would you have voted for HF if he were put up instead of me? I probably wouldn't, but I seem to recall there being a period when he was quite close to being lynched.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

February 18 2014 18:39 GMT

#3220

Along the same lines, I was thinking it wouldn't make much sense for a scum HF to put me up for nominations in how closely we've been working together, I've been kinda including him while touting my own contributions recently...but then with the other candidates being Palmar and Grack, it's hard to say what their goals were with the Nomination.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

February 18 2014 20:00 GMT

#3238

Palmar you have reservations about Yamato. I would hear them now.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

February 18 2014 20:24 GMT

#3257

The thing about Yamato is that I still have no idea why he has the reads he has. He says it's pretty clear to him that HF/VE/Palmar are town, but he never qualifies that with any kind of reasoning. We can suppose that he means because Palmar and I were Nominated, but I don't get why he's saying that HF is clearly town, so I don't know why he's narrowed the lynch to the three people he has, and out of them he has literally no preference as to which is most likely scum.

:/

But what really gets my goat about it is in this post:

On February 19 2014 01:45 yamato77 wrote:

Show nested quote +

As with anything in mafia, everything I say can be assumed to be qualified with the statement "I could be wrong, but".

As for my perspective, yes, it's likely solved, which is why I find it important to argue down my lynch. Still, it's still a good idea to have an idea of why we pick who we pick to lynch outside of the four of us (me, you, VE, HF), which is why I asked you about Oats specifically.

Like, he's trying to clarify why Palmar is choosing the person he is, which is in line with what he's saying, but he never EVER gives any reason as to what his preference is or why. Which is in direct conflict with the bolded. And if it's so important /why/ we choose who we choose, so important that he wants "confirmed" town Palmar to clarify HIS stance, why is it not just as important for the rest of us to know why he has the reads he does?

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

February 18 2014 20:26 GMT

#3258

On February 19 2014 05:23 Palmar wrote:
VE why are we clearing HF based on this Koshi thing.

Is it possible HF/Oats/ (Risen/WoS) is the mafia team?

YOU are clearing HF based on the Koshi thing. I was clearing him because with me he was the only person talking during the Keir lynch - which could be a good thing or a bad thing, depending on whether you think his aim was to point the lynch elsewhere, which at the time I didn't.

Now I'm not so sure. The thing is, I liked your question about why I was put up over Holyflare. Maybe Holyflare should answer that question too, my answer is in the thread.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

February 18 2014 20:32 GMT

#3259

I would say only one of Risen/HF can be scum. If they're both scum they've got a pretty epic bus thing going on.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

February 18 2014 20:32 GMT

#3260

Which at LYLO doesn't make much sense.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

February 18 2014 20:36 GMT

#3261

Come on Palmar, we're just townhunting at this point. Let's find the other townies. From my perspective it's Wave and HF.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

February 18 2014 20:39 GMT

#3264

I can get down on an Oats lynch I think.

##Unvote
##Vote: Oatsmaster

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

February 18 2014 21:38 GMT

#3285

Well there's also this about Oats: both yamato AND Wave have stated that they're at least partially interested in lynching Oats today. So if we're assuming Palmar and VE are town, that means that 4 players have stated interest or intent to lynch Oats.

Risen raged by way of Oats, HF hard defending Oats. Oats IS Oats.

So, if Oats is scum, that means that either A) all scum are NOT interested in lynching Oats, or B) at least one scum has stated that he'll lynch Oats or he could lynch Oats.

Considering how unlikely I find a Risen/HF scumteam, I'd say that B) is what we're looking at here, does anyone agree/disagree?

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

February 18 2014 21:46 GMT

#3287

By the by, it seems that Yamato is also AFK until after deadline with his vote on Risen. So that means that with Holyflare's vote there are three votes for Risen WITHOUT Palmar/VE on the wagon at all. :/

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

February 18 2014 21:47 GMT

#3288

Meaning there is at minimum one scum on Risen with me and Palmar on the wagon.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

February 18 2014 21:49 GMT

#3289

Two vote>afk on Risen and this is your target of choice Holyflare?

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

February 18 2014 21:50 GMT

#3292

On February 19 2014 06:49 Holyflare wrote:
My vote isn't on anyone at the moment, I want it to be as unanimous as it can be.

I know but you're speaking like Risen is your lynch of choice. I'm just observing the game-state.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

February 18 2014 21:57 GMT

#3294

Would have been.....

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

February 18 2014 22:02 GMT

#3298

I'm not saying they can't be. I'm just making observations. It's possible that Risen is scum with scum voting for him, same as Oats. I'm looking for opinions on what is most likely.