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On February 07 2014 09:39 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 09:32 marvellosity wrote:
It's all so simple.
rayn's opening post regarding holyflare was terrible. he said he was suspicious and less suspicious for no reason. there was literally no reaso to post that.
rayn's critique of my post to DarthPunk was terrible because it didn't need to be aimed at Holyflare for making one joke post.
rayn should have read me as town at the start, but instead he read me as "wtf". Ok, you all don't have to believe me, but then rayn said that I couldn't be mafia, because I was making too much of a spectacle of myself. I continue making a spectacle of myself, and rayn slowly decides I am mafia. Go read ## where his read on me takes an identical evolution.
rayn has no thread presence.
rayn has no original ideas.
rayn apparently found Promethelax unnaturally scummy even though Promethelax wasn't. He's pushing the idea that I was suspicious for thinking Prome was town? No.
rayn "jokingly" asks if DP was mafia.
Artanis critiques my case on rayn in a really terrible way.
Promethelax, confirmed town (probably :p) had rayn as one of his strongest scumreads.
rayn did not reevaluate my alignment at all in the light of Promethelax shooting scum and calling me confirmed town.
rayn is absent.
rayn is mafia. This is literally not a case. You are just repeating what happened in the thread and twisting it to suit your purposes. I'm not so sure marv is town after all. Because he DID try and stay alive yesterday and used townie promethelax to try and get a shot without dying. And he KNOWS that no-one will lynch him fast today because his scum buddy won't do it and town won't be dumb enough to do it after everyone has expressed a desire to lengthen the days. All the while he is still campaigning for others to take his place as the lynch candidate and to shoot rayn for him which shows that he DOES in fact give a fuck if he dies. Where as rayn is just lynching whoever he thinks is most likely to be mafia and genuinely does not give a fuck, having already had a good chance to be shot by prome, which is unfakeable.SO yeah rayn confirmed town, marv not town. All is right with the world.
He did not have a good chance to shot by Prome, because Prome was town. If a towny was lynched D1, that shot was always going to Artanis, I promise you. If Rayn is lynching whoever he thinks to be mafia why does he feel the need to martyr?
It's like a retarded reverse arms race. Instead of people pushing lynches, everybody pushes themselves and tries to play chicken with the rest of the thread. I hate it.
DP can you answer my question? What happens in your ideal lynch/shot scenario today?
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On February 07 2014 09:42 marvellosity wrote:
no, the question is pointless.
Not pointless at all.
Answer it please, nobody else seems to have a problem with it.
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On February 07 2014 09:46 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 09:44 marvellosity wrote:
DP literally doesn't have the balls to vote for me. It's hilarious. I'm not ending the day 12 hours in just because you are goading me into it. But I do have the balls. if you get to L - 1 tomorrow I will hammer you. That is a promise.
I was actually tempted earlier in the day to vote marv just to see what would happen but I decided against it.
Seems as though that may have been a good idea.
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Actually now I'm getting itchy because I'm sick of this Rayn v marv shit.
The problem with lynching one of them however is that various people are equally convinced one of the two is scum. If they're both town, there's going to be a lot of wrong confirmation bias going on and we won't really know it's wrong.
If we're going to lynch someone today it needs to be someone who the thread is convinced is universally scummy (ie like Artanis).
I posit: Holyflare.
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Marv, the reason I ask you to answer my question is because this is one of those cases where you could be wrongfully tunneling and refusing to accept it because of ego. This is unacceptable. The question is different to different people depending on what their reads are at the time, but to you, it should be a way to allow you to consider a scenario in which you are wrong and what that means.
There is nothing pointless about it, and as a responsible town player, you should be willing to constantly re-evaluate.
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On February 07 2014 09:50 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 09:49 WaveofShadow wrote:
Actually now I'm getting itchy because I'm sick of this Rayn v marv shit.
The problem with lynching one of them however is that various people are equally convinced one of the two is scum. If they're both town, there's going to be a lot of wrong confirmation bias going on and we won't really know it's wrong.
If we're going to lynch someone today it needs to be someone who the thread is convinced is universally scummy (ie like Artanis).
I posit: Holyflare. Who is one of my top town reads. WTF? how is he 'universally scummy'
lol I just said that for effect.
You still haven't answered me though DP. Who do you want lynched?
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On February 07 2014 09:52 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 09:51 WaveofShadow wrote:
Marv, the reason I ask you to answer my question is because this is one of those cases where you could be wrongfully tunneling and refusing to accept it because of ego. This is unacceptable. The question is different to different people depending on what their reads are at the time, but to you, it should be a way to allow you to consider a scenario in which you are wrong and what that means.
There is nothing pointless about it, and as a responsible town player, you should be willing to constantly re-evaluate. I have constantly reevaluated. rayn becomes scummier with each evaluation.
Sweet christ you are stubborn.
What happened to the days where we used to discuss shit unconditionally?
I miss those days.
LSB stop it.
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On February 07 2014 09:53 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 07 2014 09:50 DarthPunk wrote:On February 07 2014 09:49 WaveofShadow wrote:
Actually now I'm getting itchy because I'm sick of this Rayn v marv shit.
The problem with lynching one of them however is that various people are equally convinced one of the two is scum. If they're both town, there's going to be a lot of wrong confirmation bias going on and we won't really know it's wrong.
If we're going to lynch someone today it needs to be someone who the thread is convinced is universally scummy (ie like Artanis).
I posit: Holyflare. Who is one of my top town reads. WTF? how is he 'universally scummy' lol I just said that for effect. You still haven't answered me though DP. Who do you want lynched? Yes I did. I said if holyflare was lynched he should shoot you. Marv ACTUALLY hasn't answered maybe you should get one out of him.
No who do you WANT lynched?
You answered IF HF was lynched, but you obviously don't want that, so who DO you want lynched?
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DP as much as I don't want this to happen, money where your mouth is, bro.
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Or you could answer my question.
Either way, my question gets answered.
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On February 07 2014 09:59 marvellosity wrote:
Oh god. If rayn is town this is gonna be hilarious.
##Shoot: raynpelikoneet
And this is what you should have been considering when I fucking asked you.
You may have just handed this fucking game to scum if he is.
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Because now I'm going to have to deal with everyone in thread who is going to assume you are scum if he flips green, and move on from there as town dies a slow painful death.
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On February 07 2014 10:01 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 10:01 WaveofShadow wrote:
Because now I'm going to have to deal with everyone in thread who is going to assume you are scum if he flips green, and move on from there as town dies a slow painful death. He IS going to flip green wave.
And if he does?
Where are we then?
I still don't believe marv is scum so we didn't learn shit.
We should have gotten rid of HF, but instead we're going to likely lynch into Ceph/LSB, one of whom is town and we may lose flat out.
And we'll definitely lose flat out if you're scum.
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On February 07 2014 10:03 Aquanim wrote:
I don't even know anybody's alignment, by design.
Well that's kinda useless. Shutting up.
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On February 07 2014 10:11 DarthPunk wrote:
wat.
Fucking sweet.
There you go.
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Alright marv, well done.
Still could have answered me though 
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HF for final scum.
Mebbe even DP.
Actually it doesn't even matter now, becuase if we lynch town they just shoot the other and we win.
##vote: Holyflare
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On February 07 2014 10:12 DarthPunk wrote:
Marv was right. He is going to be such a pain in the arse in the obs thread and postgame now. Holy shit.
I suck. GG.
So ignore him and play the fucking game instead of getting needlessly salty about everything.
Despite marv being right, I still am not a fan of how he played the game.
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On February 07 2014 10:13 LSB wrote:
WoS would you commit suicide to kill HF?
Ehhhh.
I'd really rather not, but if it comes down to me being the most likely second candidate I will.
I just really don't like the martyring.
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On February 07 2014 10:15 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 10:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
HF for final scum.
Mebbe even DP.
Actually it doesn't even matter now, becuase if we lynch town they just shoot the other and we win.
##vote: Holyflare Explain that to me wave. Cause from where I am sitting you are trying to push lynches not on to only one townie but two.
Yeah and from where you were sitting so was marv.
But anyway, because you were just fantastically wrong (which doesn't make you scum) it's making me re-evaluate everything you've done now.
Which I should probably do more closely.
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