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On February 04 2014 11:16 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 11:15 DarthPunk wrote:On February 04 2014 11:11 Promethelax wrote:
marv baby, talk to me about Artanis. Is his mafia claim in any way alignment indicative, I'm inclined to say no since well...that is dumb. I don't see him being more likely or less likely to post that as either alignment and until someone finds a quote saying "I would never claim scum as town" -artanis, I won't believe that to be a real reason to find him scummy. Scumare more likely to claim scum because it makes no sense for town to do it but it does make sense for scum to do it for that very reason. The player I was referencing in my other game did it and I questioned him about it in a similar way that I questioned artanis. He flipped scum. the simplest answer is: If there is no reason to do something as town then that person is very likely not to be town. This is constantly not true though.
No but I think it is true more often than it is not true.
That being said, one of the reasons I was trying to question artanis before holyflare provoked me was that Vayne had just claimed scum as town in TItanic II, so town CAN be retarded enough to claim scum as a joke. The other thing was that Artanis makes retarded fake claims at the start of the game all the time as both alignments.
So I think there would have been some value in trying to question him about it. Definitely, I think he is more likely to be scum than town and seems like a reasonably good lynch, but we should make use of the day and try and get some stances out of him before we decide anything.
Further we need to know who he wants to shoot if he flips.
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Yes. That is why you calling me scum for it is dumb.
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On February 04 2014 11:19 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 11:16 DarthPunk wrote:On February 04 2014 11:15 Promethelax wrote:On February 04 2014 11:12 DarthPunk wrote:On February 04 2014 11:09 Promethelax wrote:
I kinda really want to lynch DP for martyring.
I hate people who vote themselves in IML.
Policy: all lynches occur on the third day of the day cycle. It's not the same in this setup because you get a vig shot bro. one bad shot and lylo. Totally the same, lynching scum>vigging them. Actually maybe not now that I write it down. Would prefer to lynch a townie who was on the margins of looking scummy and have them shoot a scum. It will confirm two alignments. Was thinking in the pre game if one player is kicking ass and taking names for town scum may actually choose to bus to be able to use their shot on said player. We should not be too confidant that those who push scum are town. There is valid reason for scum to bus even when neither scum is in danger. That is a fucking stupid plan if you are scum. Actually it's interesting and worth spending at least some thought on. Some time down the line you have player A and player B, both are suspicious and town is deciding between them. One mafia one townie. One is going to be lynched, the other will be vigged by the lynched player (seems a sensible play). Makes sense for the mafia in that situation to bus the mafia, so the mafia dies and doesn't flip, and the townie flips. Probably a better result for mafia than the townie not flipping and shooting the mafia who does flip. So it seems there's probably situations where bussing might be optimal for mafia
Yeah that is true. I hadn't thought of it like that. I think in general though bussing is less valuable in this setup than in general. Cause if you bus the flip is hidden flip and you don't get all that juicy town cred.
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On February 04 2014 11:25 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 11:15 DarthPunk wrote:
the simplest answer is: If there is no reason to do something as town then that person is very likely not to be town.
specifically why would you say something like this when you know it isn't true.
It is true. More likely. of course there are exceptions. And if anyone was going to be an exception it would be artanis for the reasons stated.
Still makes no sense to do that as town and does make sense for mafia.
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On February 04 2014 11:24 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 11:23 DarthPunk wrote:Yes. That is why you calling me scum for it is dumb. then why didn't you learn anything from it.
Because people intentionally trolling me makes me emotional. and that is sometimes difficult to control. If everyone could control their emotions all the time that would be great. It is also impossible.
Why are you calling me scum for doing the same thing that I did to you as town? When you clearly remember that situation enough to quote it to me?
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On February 04 2014 11:24 marvellosity wrote:
If the last person who did it was town, why does that make Artanis a reasonably good lynch in this instance?
No the last person who did it was scum in the game I'm playing at the moment. But there is precedent for it being done as town which is why I wanted to question him about it before screaming for his death.
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On February 04 2014 11:30 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 11:27 DarthPunk wrote:On February 04 2014 11:25 iamperfection wrote:On February 04 2014 11:15 DarthPunk wrote:
the simplest answer is: If there is no reason to do something as town then that person is very likely not to be town.
specifically why would you say something like this when you know it isn't true. It is true. More likely. of course there are exceptions. And if anyone was going to be an exception it would be artanis for the reasons stated. Still makes no sense to do that as town and does make sense for mafia. Explain in a calm, rational, manner what a scum gains from this. I know you said its a thing scum would never do so instant town cred but you are also saying its a thing town would never do. Clearly someone has just done it and it has been done before so can you answer me which it is? Do town or scum never claim scum in the thread?
Firstly don't condescend to me prome. My recent posts have been calm and rational so there is no fucking reason to say that.
Secondly the reason you do it as scum is because it is a WIFOM bomb. People will think there is no way scum would claim scum so clearly this guy is not scum.
I would ask you the same thing in reverse. For what reason would town ever claim scum?
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On February 04 2014 11:28 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 11:22 DarthPunk wrote:On February 04 2014 11:16 marvellosity wrote:On February 04 2014 11:15 DarthPunk wrote:On February 04 2014 11:11 Promethelax wrote:
marv baby, talk to me about Artanis. Is his mafia claim in any way alignment indicative, I'm inclined to say no since well...that is dumb. I don't see him being more likely or less likely to post that as either alignment and until someone finds a quote saying "I would never claim scum as town" -artanis, I won't believe that to be a real reason to find him scummy. Scumare more likely to claim scum because it makes no sense for town to do it but it does make sense for scum to do it for that very reason. The player I was referencing in my other game did it and I questioned him about it in a similar way that I questioned artanis. He flipped scum. the simplest answer is: If there is no reason to do something as town then that person is very likely not to be town. This is constantly not true though. No but I think it is true more often than it is not true. That being said, one of the reasons I was trying to question artanis before holyflare provoked me was that Vayne had just claimed scum as town in TItanic II, so town CAN be retarded enough to claim scum as a joke. The other thing was that Artanis makes retarded fake claims at the start of the game all the time as both alignments. So I think there would have been some value in trying to question him about it. Definitely, I think he is more likely to be scum than town a nd seems like a reasonably good lynch, but we should make use of the day and try and get some stances out of him before we decide anything.
Further we need to know who he wants to shoot if he flips. DP, the issue I have is that everything I've bolded feels/sounds extremely premature.
What does that mean?
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On February 04 2014 11:32 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 11:30 DarthPunk wrote:On February 04 2014 11:24 iamperfection wrote:On February 04 2014 11:23 DarthPunk wrote:Yes. That is why you calling me scum for it is dumb. then why didn't you learn anything from it. Because people intentionally trolling me makes me emotional. and that is sometimes difficult to control. If everyone could control their emotions all the time that would be great. It is also impossible. Why are you calling me scum for doing the same thing that I did to you as town? When you clearly remember that situation enough to quote it to me? because you eventually tried to hunt scum. I don't think your doing that if you contest that holy would be your shot. You know if you have a fault you should try to fix it.
I would have shot you in that other game just because I was mad. So not alignment indicative at all.
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On February 04 2014 11:36 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 11:35 DarthPunk wrote:On February 04 2014 11:28 marvellosity wrote:On February 04 2014 11:22 DarthPunk wrote:On February 04 2014 11:16 marvellosity wrote:On February 04 2014 11:15 DarthPunk wrote:On February 04 2014 11:11 Promethelax wrote:
marv baby, talk to me about Artanis. Is his mafia claim in any way alignment indicative, I'm inclined to say no since well...that is dumb. I don't see him being more likely or less likely to post that as either alignment and until someone finds a quote saying "I would never claim scum as town" -artanis, I won't believe that to be a real reason to find him scummy. Scumare more likely to claim scum because it makes no sense for town to do it but it does make sense for scum to do it for that very reason. The player I was referencing in my other game did it and I questioned him about it in a similar way that I questioned artanis. He flipped scum. the simplest answer is: If there is no reason to do something as town then that person is very likely not to be town. This is constantly not true though. No but I think it is true more often than it is not true. That being said, one of the reasons I was trying to question artanis before holyflare provoked me was that Vayne had just claimed scum as town in TItanic II, so town CAN be retarded enough to claim scum as a joke. The other thing was that Artanis makes retarded fake claims at the start of the game all the time as both alignments. So I think there would have been some value in trying to question him about it. Definitely, I think he is more likely to be scum than town a nd seems like a reasonably good lynch, but we should make use of the day and try and get some stances out of him before we decide anything.
Further we need to know who he wants to shoot if he flips. DP, the issue I have is that everything I've bolded feels/sounds extremely premature. What does that mean? It means that Artanis has done one possibly slightly alignment indicative thing, and you're already talking about wanting to see who he shoots if we flip him, and "making use of the day" as if it's some obvious conclusion. There's rather a long road between A and B there
Which is why I only asked him the questions I wanted to ask him and then dropped it for the time being. I am not saying anyone should have done all that immediately nor did I try to. That was the basic progression I had in mind in terms of artanis. And obviously I wanted the chance to question him and see where that lead first.
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On February 04 2014 11:38 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 11:36 DarthPunk wrote:On February 04 2014 11:32 iamperfection wrote:On February 04 2014 11:30 DarthPunk wrote:On February 04 2014 11:24 iamperfection wrote:On February 04 2014 11:23 DarthPunk wrote:Yes. That is why you calling me scum for it is dumb. then why didn't you learn anything from it. Because people intentionally trolling me makes me emotional. and that is sometimes difficult to control. If everyone could control their emotions all the time that would be great. It is also impossible. Why are you calling me scum for doing the same thing that I did to you as town? When you clearly remember that situation enough to quote it to me? because you eventually tried to hunt scum. I don't think your doing that if you contest that holy would be your shot. You know if you have a fault you should try to fix it. I would have shot you in that other game just because I was mad. So not alignment indicative at all. bullshit you put shit aside and hunted scum.
Like 24 hours later. I literally went to bed in between. Read the thread you are quoting. This game is 3 hours old or something. Not the same thing.
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On February 04 2014 11:35 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 11:33 DarthPunk wrote:On February 04 2014 11:30 Promethelax wrote:On February 04 2014 11:27 DarthPunk wrote:On February 04 2014 11:25 iamperfection wrote:On February 04 2014 11:15 DarthPunk wrote:
the simplest answer is: If there is no reason to do something as town then that person is very likely not to be town.
specifically why would you say something like this when you know it isn't true. It is true. More likely. of course there are exceptions. And if anyone was going to be an exception it would be artanis for the reasons stated. Still makes no sense to do that as town and does make sense for mafia. Explain in a calm, rational, manner what a scum gains from this. I know you said its a thing scum would never do so instant town cred but you are also saying its a thing town would never do. Clearly someone has just done it and it has been done before so can you answer me which it is? Do town or scum never claim scum in the thread? Firstly don't condescend to me prome. My recent posts have been calm and rational so there is no fucking reason to say that. Secondly the reason you do it as scum is because it is a WIFOM bomb. People will think there is no way scum would claim scum so clearly this guy is not scum. I would ask you the same thing in reverse. For what reason would town ever claim scum? Because they can, townies like to do silly shit to start games. Happens all the time.
There are more productive ways to do that then claiming scum.
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On February 04 2014 11:41 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 11:40 DarthPunk wrote:On February 04 2014 11:35 Promethelax wrote:On February 04 2014 11:33 DarthPunk wrote:On February 04 2014 11:30 Promethelax wrote:On February 04 2014 11:27 DarthPunk wrote:On February 04 2014 11:25 iamperfection wrote:On February 04 2014 11:15 DarthPunk wrote:
the simplest answer is: If there is no reason to do something as town then that person is very likely not to be town.
specifically why would you say something like this when you know it isn't true. It is true. More likely. of course there are exceptions. And if anyone was going to be an exception it would be artanis for the reasons stated. Still makes no sense to do that as town and does make sense for mafia. Explain in a calm, rational, manner what a scum gains from this. I know you said its a thing scum would never do so instant town cred but you are also saying its a thing town would never do. Clearly someone has just done it and it has been done before so can you answer me which it is? Do town or scum never claim scum in the thread? Firstly don't condescend to me prome. My recent posts have been calm and rational so there is no fucking reason to say that. Secondly the reason you do it as scum is because it is a WIFOM bomb. People will think there is no way scum would claim scum so clearly this guy is not scum. I would ask you the same thing in reverse. For what reason would town ever claim scum? Because they can, townies like to do silly shit to start games. Happens all the time. There are more productive ways to do that then claiming scum. No argument from me. But it isn't outside the wheelhouse of most town players and you yourself said that it is a thing Artanis does regularly as either alignment.
Well he claims jester a lot as both alignments. but you are not wrong. That is the reason I wanted to talk to him before holyflare took a big shit all over me.
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Actually I think he claimed mafia as mafia in Normal mini.
On January 20 2014 09:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Hey guys.
I'm Mafia. What roles did you guys get?
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On February 04 2014 11:46 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 11:39 DarthPunk wrote:On February 04 2014 11:38 iamperfection wrote:On February 04 2014 11:36 DarthPunk wrote:On February 04 2014 11:32 iamperfection wrote:On February 04 2014 11:30 DarthPunk wrote:On February 04 2014 11:24 iamperfection wrote:On February 04 2014 11:23 DarthPunk wrote:Yes. That is why you calling me scum for it is dumb. then why didn't you learn anything from it. Because people intentionally trolling me makes me emotional. and that is sometimes difficult to control. If everyone could control their emotions all the time that would be great. It is also impossible. Why are you calling me scum for doing the same thing that I did to you as town? When you clearly remember that situation enough to quote it to me? because you eventually tried to hunt scum. I don't think your doing that if you contest that holy would be your shot. You know if you have a fault you should try to fix it. I would have shot you in that other game just because I was mad. So not alignment indicative at all. bullshit you put shit aside and hunted scum. Like 24 hours later. I literally went to bed in between. Read the thread you are quoting. This game is 3 hours old or something. Not the same thing. that is false maybe you should read the thread im quoting.
Yeah you are right. My bad. I seem to vividly remember marv telling me to go to bed in that game. Maybe I am thinking of another game.
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On February 04 2014 11:50 marvellosity wrote:
I thought so too, but I want DP to answer me
I'm looking.
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OK I just went and looked through all his games and he has only claimed scum once as mafia in his last game.
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He claims shit all the time in voice though so I am not sure how applicable that is.
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On February 04 2014 11:59 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 11:57 DarthPunk wrote:
He claims shit all the time in voice though so I am not sure how applicable that is. so we agree its irrelevant.
Why would you do it as town though? What is the reason behind it as town. It just makes no fucking sense for town to do that.
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And I am not sure how much stock to put into what someone does in voice when playing forum mafia either. Eh. dno I agree we should wait and see what artanis has to say.
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