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VIVAX420
Profile Joined April 2013
556 Posts
February 18 2014 21:36 GMT
#1224
On February 19 2014 06:33 roundabound wrote:
Vivax when you are here can you please scumhunt with me?

~rayn

ya sure thing.
rayn scum.

-vivax
Kush and Vivax
VIVAX420
Profile Joined April 2013
556 Posts
February 18 2014 21:39 GMT
#1228
@rob the seal doesn't confirm grack. i think he's town but not because of the seal. not giving reasons so dont ask
Kush and Vivax
VIVAX420
Profile Joined April 2013
556 Posts
February 18 2014 22:05 GMT
#1235
On February 19 2014 06:33 roundabound wrote:
Vivax when you are here can you please scumhunt with me?

~rayn


SURE BRO. Here's a scummy meta case on Mordanis:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=331498&user=Mordanis&view=all

See ya. (Actually, do compare the games).
Kush and Vivax
VIVAX420
Profile Joined April 2013
556 Posts
February 18 2014 22:20 GMT
#1240
On February 19 2014 07:12 Mordanis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2014 07:05 VIVAX420 wrote:
On February 19 2014 06:33 roundabound wrote:
Vivax when you are here can you please scumhunt with me?

~rayn


SURE BRO. Here's a scummy meta case on Mordanis:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=331498&user=Mordanis&view=all

See ya. (Actually, do compare the games).

So I'm scum because I'm not playing this game like my first game ever ~2 years ago. Sweet case. Is this meta case #3 for you? Do you do anything other than meta?


Dude, wtf are you doing. You were on my ass since D1 and now you go vote for somebody else.

One of your previous points vs me.
Another meta case, and this one lead to a mislynch. I'm gonna look at this in more detail in the morning, but I'm feeling that vivax is super scummy right now.


Still not pushing a lynch on me.

Now I post another meta case, this time even on you, and you start bickering but don't want to lynch me.
Can you tell me how somebody could take that read of yours on me seriously?
Kush and Vivax
VIVAX420
Profile Joined April 2013
556 Posts
February 18 2014 22:32 GMT
#1244
I'm cautious about how many people are jumping on Shiao. Even if I think he's the scummiest I've come across in the thread, the reasons aren't all that strong. Sure he has little content and doesn't seem to be improving them, but day 1 townies do this.


I don't get how you can call a guy the scummiest and then not mention a single reason for it, instead doing the opposite.
Bum, can you clarify?
Kush and Vivax
VIVAX420
Profile Joined April 2013
556 Posts
February 18 2014 22:53 GMT
#1246
On February 19 2014 05:50 IAmRobik wrote:
Let's just lynch: Grack/Mordanis/jjd/sidesprang in any order


I approve of this message. For thrawn, lost in the attrition.
Kush and Vivax
VIVAX420
Profile Joined April 2013
556 Posts
February 18 2014 22:55 GMT
#1247
I'll do some rereads before putting my vote anywhere though. But too lazy to look after what kush does.

I noticed that the Shiao wagon D1 gained traction much more easily than the SS one.

~V
Kush and Vivax
VIVAX420
Profile Joined April 2013
556 Posts
February 19 2014 01:18 GMT
#1263
REAL STORY OF N1:
rob was underestimated
roundabout was scum
vivax420 was assumed protected

mocsta: how mad are you about getting pwned once again despite your try hard?
Kush and Vivax
VIVAX420
Profile Joined April 2013
556 Posts
February 19 2014 01:36 GMT
#1272
my barbs are only toothless on the surface.
honestly more rereading is necessary to be sure about round. I was just doing preliminary reaction testing on them and THEY FAILED.
Kush and Vivax
VIVAX420
Profile Joined April 2013
556 Posts
February 19 2014 01:41 GMT
#1275
woh yeah. i didn't even realize mattchew was so close. unvote immediately please!!! this day should not be rushed.
Kush and Vivax
VIVAX420
Profile Joined April 2013
556 Posts
February 19 2014 01:43 GMT
#1277
grack if you respect my opinion at all, and you should because we are very alike, you should unvote mattchew. yeah he doesn;t look super townie but he never does. he is lynch bait.
Kush and Vivax
VIVAX420
Profile Joined April 2013
556 Posts
February 19 2014 01:44 GMT
#1279
where is teh case put forth?
Kush and Vivax
VIVAX420
Profile Joined April 2013
556 Posts
February 19 2014 01:47 GMT
#1282
On February 19 2014 10:45 roundabound wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2014 10:43 VIVAX420 wrote:
grack if you respect my opinion at all, and you should because we are very alike, you should unvote mattchew. yeah he doesn;t look super townie but he never does. he is lynch bait.

Lynch bait suggests town. But u say he doesn't look townie

What is it.

Is he lynch bait, null or scum

~moc


i mean he doesn't look esp townie but he is
Kush and Vivax
VIVAX420
Profile Joined April 2013
556 Posts
February 19 2014 01:54 GMT
#1284
On February 19 2014 03:15 gumshoe wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Hey guys, I got role blocked last night. I feel pretty flattered about it.

My primary doubt in lynching shiao a few days ago was that I had a pretty solid scum read on mattchew, but I figured they both couldn't be scum because Mattchew was pushing him softley towards the start of the game(ie looking for traction minus the heat), and pretty openly as we approached lynch. With the flip bieng what it is, I'm almost certain that Matt is scum and I'm pretty impressed with how little attention hes gotten.

This is Mattchews longest post.

rayn i dont think sidesprang is mafia, in past games he is super serious as mafia and this game he seems pretty loose at the beginning willing to troll and joke around.

Also, that was some bullshit mocsta pulled, fucking awful play from either alignment and policy lynching you guys is what I want to do, but is not the way to lynch scum imo, cause i think your town

Gumshoe is interesting, I am trying to refrain from knee-jerk calling him scum

So far the people I am ok with dying are Shiaopi, Mordanis, Thrawn and maybe like Grack/Gum/QP



Heres what this post is saying line by line.

1: Hard meta defense of a fairly null player.

2: Says Moc is a jerk, thinks hes town cause reasons?

3: Says im interesting, but is scared to outright call me scum?

4: A list of lurkers and current lynch favourites.

This posts says very little, and yet it's his most content heavy, whats more it comes off almost as cowardly, like hes scared to accuse someone who will actually post back. I've never known Matt to be someones whose scarred to make accusations but this game he seems only willing to go after lurkers. His play comes off as fearful.

You can see that fear on display early on in the game here.

I don't think that grack and side are the same alignment.

( Easy way to take a stance without saying anything)

here

rayn, my town read on QP was hastey and unwarrented. I do not have a read on him currently

(eager to diffuse potential fights in the making)

and here, where he responds to a huge post belonging to dont panic by saying

"i'll sheep this other than jarjar"

The only two scum reads in donts post are jar jar and shiapi... This is the safest sheep I've ever seen. He can always point back to it if someone accuses him of jumping on the shiapi train but at the time its such a soft admission thats it's easy for it to go unnoticed. Which it did for the most part.

Mattchew is playing obsencley diplomatic this game, which is scummy in of itself and doubly so considering it just doesn't fit his play style.

With the lone exception of his read on Side Mattchew doesnt make arguments, or explain his convictions, he just throws his voice around and assumes it carries some weight. He has no interest in promoting town discussion, or defending himself, or providing reasons for his accusations. Its probally meant to come off as belligerent townie, but I've played with Matt before and this game he just seems to have no interest in developing the thread whatsoever, although he does seem to want to look like as if hes contributing and present when town needs him.

In general, Mattchew, a fairly argumentative player has done his best to avoid and diffuse arguments, ie here he attempts to dodge a fight with Rayn.

Actually a serious question Mattchew; Do you even read what people's posts say and do you think why do they say what they do?

i have my way of getting reads, you have yours, if you want to insult my reads you better be damn sure yours are correct


Rayn posted a reasonable case on Matt and Matt deigned to only respond to this one emotional tidbit. When Rayn got aggravated with the deflection Matt just ends the argument with an ultimatum that he knows Rayn lacks the power to act upon.


finally, he responded in similar fashion to my call out of him by saying I'm "interesting" and leaving it at that. He drops the thread there until much later in the game, after I've been inactive for a good long while, and says this.

mordanis and gumshoe would be great lynches



Once again no reasoning, and once again the target of his affections are two lurkers who may very well not post back at all.

The shallow boldness of his accusations are in direct conflict with the coward like manner in which he engages others. It's as if hes combined the worst bits of town bravado and scum passiveness to form what might very well be one of the most useless in game entities I've come across.

I also find Grack and Mordanis pretty fishy, but I'm not that confident about the Roni and as for Mord (whose done extremely little, even taking into account his trip) it's the same story as before, I dont think Matt and him are scum together and this time I aint going to make the mistake of not choosing Matt. But if the wind blows thier way I wouldnt mind lynching either of them.


Rather not lynch a lurker today, that didnt really work out last time (although Shiao wasn't exactly a lurker).

As for the night kills, I'm pretty sure scum were just trying to snipe blue, cant see any other reason why they would kill Thrawn.

Anyone have any questions for me?



this case is not good. He basically describes what is in my understanding how mattchew always plays, but puts a biased scummy spin on everything "OBSCENELY DIPLOMATIC" for reals?
I feel like im reading fox news with that case,
Kush and Vivax
VIVAX420
Profile Joined April 2013
556 Posts
February 19 2014 01:55 GMT
#1285
On February 19 2014 10:53 roundabound wrote:
So u are certain he is town?

~moc

i THINK he's town.
i warn you not to go down this road where you defend yourself by tunneling me. it hasn't worked well for you in the past.
Kush and Vivax
VIVAX420
Profile Joined April 2013
556 Posts
February 19 2014 01:56 GMT
#1286
Mocsta, expain to me, in your own words, why you find Mattchew worthy of a quick lynch today,.
Kush and Vivax
VIVAX420
Profile Joined April 2013
556 Posts
February 19 2014 01:56 GMT
#1287
Kush and Vivax
VIVAX420
Profile Joined April 2013
556 Posts
February 19 2014 02:32 GMT
#1305
Does anyone think that Raynsta has an at least remote chance of being scum?
Even just slight suspicions. I'd like to know.

I suggest you analyse what happened pre-shiao-pi-lynch. I think those are voteswitches that
1. Show how Mocsta wasn't afraid of mislynching in his switches (ie going for the quick hammer on anyone without clearly establishing a preference.
2. How Rayn didn't appear trying to push his own preferences. If you look you will see that Rayn constantly advocates a SS lynch, Mocsta basically any lynch. I struggle to find Rayn saying anything about Shiao, which is worrying cause he would have had to in order to effectively push a sidesprang lynch.

Explanation: Shiao in a position to be lynched, Rayn unwilling to defend him, but also unwilling to let loose of SS to keep up the scumhunting picture. Hence, post cases against his target without discussing the main lynch candidate.

~V

I think this series displays adequately of how mocsta was desperate to get a lynch going. Long days are extremely tiresome for scum. I'd also like to know (albeit late) how Mocsta suddenly got the idea to claim scum.

+ Show Spoiler +

On February 15 2014 22:02 roundabound wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2014 21:48 ShiaoPi wrote:
On February 15 2014 18:30 VIVAX420 wrote:
this answer better be excellent or you gonna get lynched.

I am of the opinion to lynch quantumpope, but I don't see me being in danger lynched any time soon.
will be writing some bigger stuff up later when I can make the time for it.

##unvote
##Vote: QuantumPope
....

Sorry Rayn.

##Unvote
##Vote: ShiaoPi



Why?

Original ShiaoPi:
I dont think im a lynch candidate, so fuck this shit; im voting QP for zero reasons.

Translated ShiaoPi:
This town derpz, yo. Im gonna take a big massive dump all over it.



IML this fucker right now.

~moc


On February 15 2014 22:05 roundabound wrote:
Like, wtf is this shit. These posts are essentially consecutive.


Show nested quote +
On February 15 2014 17:48 ShiaoPi wrote:
hey sorry I was busy the last couple of days, will be catching up now
any questions ppl want me to answer immediately?

Show nested quote +
On February 15 2014 19:16 Ange777 wrote:
ShiaoPi (3): bumatlarge, VIVAX420, Mattchew

]ShiaoPi is the vote leader

Show nested quote +
On February 15 2014 21:48 ShiaoPi wrote:
I am of the opinion to lynch quantumpope, but I don't see me being in danger lynched any time soon.
will be writing some bigger stuff up later when I can make the time for it.

##unvote
##Vote: QuantumPope


Guys, seriously. Im over this Day1. Lynch ShiaoPi. Scum has given up clearly.

~moc



On February 16 2014 18:47 roundabound wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2014 18:35 bumatlarge wrote:
I'm fairly certain he's going to flip scum, and he's going to need a ban. It's completely unfair to his scum team no matter who they are.

##Unvote
##Vote: Bumatlarge


It worked. Dem sharks always like to hover around the fresh smell of green blood.

sigh, too easy Bum. Completely fallacious arguments you are marking.


On February 16 2014 18:54 roundabound wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2014 17:26 sidesprang wrote:
Why would we not vote him?
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2014 17:27 sidesprang wrote:
Then he deserves to get policy lynched, and hopefully a ban aswell.

This is as much as a cop out easy vote as Bum. Factoring in his previous play and complete unwillingness to divulge information, this is most certainly an opportune vote.

..
I havent read gumshoe catchup post yet, so not sure how his vote of me ties in yet.
..

mattchew vote, cant tell if its a joke or not based on the convo with vivax420.
i am more so surprised he dropped his shiaopi read for this.
am curious how he follows up.

=====
So sidesprang + bum def looking terrible from all this.

~moc


On February 16 2014 21:41 roundabound wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2014 20:52 VIVAX420 wrote:
Moc, why did you want to lynch Shiao again?

Can't remember.

I like the stuff Vivax posted on Mordanis though. Either terribly bad, or scum struggling to make meaningful posts.

At this stage, I don't care if hes terribly bad, so gonna go with scum.

##Unvote
##Vote: Mordanis


Lets just get a hammer on someone.

~moc



Also, the part in which he says that sidesprang looks terrible from this. If Rayn was pushing sidesprang but not really anyone else, how did Mocsta still prefer Shiao instead of cooperating with his other head? Cause he was closer to getting lynched.
Kush and Vivax
VIVAX420
Profile Joined April 2013
556 Posts
February 19 2014 03:23 GMT
#1320
On February 19 2014 11:47 roundabound wrote:
Vivax

I have noticed this game you refuse to take a firm position on anything.

Instead you put out some musings and let others carry the work load for you

This pattern is repeating again.



I'm hesitant to lynching when there are so many unknown alignments. Kush put the vote after I unvoted. Thrawn pretty much knew how to play IML. Lengthen the days, increase the time town has. You prefer to opt for quick lynches and get frustrated with no occurring lynches even when there are so many options for people being scum.

Besides, you might want to get to the point with your made observations. Do you suspect me of being scum or is this just something you wrote as offensive defense.

~V
Kush and Vivax
VIVAX420
Profile Joined April 2013
556 Posts
February 19 2014 07:59 GMT
#1341
Mord why you never say anything about what I post on the way ?

Am I not a scumread?
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