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On February 13 2014 08:10 roundabound wrote: I think Mordanis has about the best posts in thread. Yes they are worded a bit awkwardly and idk what that means. He can answer for himself about that. The "brb gonna go write a wall of text case against everyone" is an obvious joke and everyone should be able to realise it.. The scummiest guy is the one who can't back up his reads and his thought process behind his reads. ~rayn The only read I didn't back up is the QP read. You're making shit up. I honestly think we're probably two towns fighting but whatever. I'm gonna say it now and I'll continue to say it. I think QP is town. I have my reason for thinking that. I don't know if it's right or not, but I think it. You don't have to believe me. You don't even ahve to listen to me. But I am opposed to lynching QP today. | ||
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On February 13 2014 08:12 roundabound wrote: If QP is a cop that was the stupidest play i have ever seen. He could have aswell claimed a cop.. ~rayn All I said is that I think he's town. I didn't say I think he's cop. I'm saying, if I had a cop read on him, would you want me to out it just for your fucking satisfaction? I'll play my way and you play your way. If you think I'm scummy cause I have a certain read taht I don't wanna give out that's fine and you can vote on me. I'm town. I'm the most active person in this thread and I've been giving my opinions as openly and honestly as I can. If you don't like that then you can vote me off. You can call me scum all you want. You're wrong, but you can have your opinion and I can have mine. Saying that I've given no basis for ANY of my reads is nonsense. I've backed up everything I said (whether you agree with it or not is another story) on everyone but QP. | ||
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IAmRobik
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On February 13 2014 08:10 roundabound wrote: I think Mordanis has about the best posts in thread. Yes they are worded a bit awkwardly and idk what that means. He can answer for himself about that. The "brb gonna go write a wall of text case against everyone" is an obvious joke and everyone should be able to realise it.. The scummiest guy is the one who can't back up his reads and his thought process behind his reads. ~rayn Each one of his posts is fabricated and convoluted. You're absolutely out of your mind if you think he's got the best posts in this thread. | ||
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On February 13 2014 08:18 roundabound wrote: You did not back up your Mattchew read. You could not tell how thrawn was more scummy than for example Grackaroni when you voted for him. You did push lurkers and "bad posting" in the beginning of the game and when your "case" (or whatever that was) on thrawn fell you didn't move on onto other people who had showed behaviour you found scummy at the start of the game. The logic you are saying you use is really fishy in the first place, and you are not even playing to that logic, you only used it on thrawn. Basically nothing you say makes no sense because your actions do not match with you what you call your mindset is. ~rayn I absolutely backed up my Mattchew read and answered every question that you asked me about it. Stop lying about that. I'll go find it and quote it to you since you're so damn ignorant that you're going to keep pushing on this. I explained why I didn't attack other people. And once you brought up Grackaroni, you know what I did?!?!? I went back and fucking read him and formed an opinion of him based off of his posts? You know why!?!?!? because that's what town do. They reread. They analyze. When something is brought to their attention, they'll go out of their way and do the work necessary to make sure they are giving reads to the best of their ability. You know what you've done all day? You've fucking sat there and accused me all fucking day and done shitall else. I started conversation. I accused someone. I reconsidered on them. You know why? Because THAT'S WHAT TOWN DOES. They gather information. They build cases. They change their minds when new information is presented. You wanna keep going on me -- that's fine. Like I said, we're probably two town fighting, but if you keep basing your case on me on blatant lies, then I'm going to go ahead and make this day ME vs YOU and YOU WILL LOSE (or I'll lose, get revealed as town and you can continue to poorly justify to yourself how scummy I was cause you couldn't figure out what's scummy if it smacked you in the face) | ||
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On February 13 2014 07:59 IAmRobik wrote: 1) I understand you want an answer to this. I'm not gonna give it to you. 2) I have him as town because our reads align at the moment. Not just that, but he cleared Vivex for the exact reason that I would have cleared vivex if I wasn't too big of a bitch to actually post it. I was a bitch because I only post my thoughts when I'm truly sold on what I'm saying. When I 100% believe it to be true. This is not to say that I am unwilling to reconsider given new information or a change in style or attitude, but I like going off of original impressions a lot. So that's why I think Chew is town. With regards to your next round of questioning, I am not going to talk about QP for d1 unless I need to defend him. I just have a read that he's town and that's all I'm going to repeat over and over again. Mattchew would have fluffed it up hardcore and not given any town reads in my opinion if he was scum. He would not have cleared Vivex for what he cleared him for. And he probably wouldn't have cleared me, and probably has QP as town for the same reason I have QP as town. I don't know what your experience is with Mattchew or how he plays the games here, but my impression of how he would play as town is aligning with how he's playing right now. I don't know about his lack of response to you. I'll probably reread stuff when I get home today from work. My preferred method of play is to just stay on top of the game and respond to things as they happen. My rereads come in lulls or when I have an abundance of free time or night phases (which apparently this game doesn't have an abundance of). As for Grackaroni, I thought he had posted before then, but I could be wrong. What Thrawn posted stuck out to me, so that's what I focused on. I don't know why you think I need to take a hard stand on every player right away, especially those who have fluffed/been lurky. I have said in general that I think lurky/fluffy posters are scummier. I called out one of them. I have since reconsidered no that person think he's pretty town. I'm trying to solve the game. In bold is me not giving my read on mattchew or responding to your questinoing on my opinions of him and how he's play. Did not justify my stance not one bit! | ||
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On February 13 2014 08:18 roundabound wrote: You did not back up your Mattchew read. You could not tell how thrawn was more scummy than for example Grackaroni when you voted for him. You did push lurkers and "bad posting" in the beginning of the game and when your "case" (or whatever that was) on thrawn fell you didn't move on onto other people who had showed behaviour you found scummy at the start of the game. The logic you are saying you use is really fishy in the first place, and you are not even playing to that logic, you only used it on thrawn. Basically nothing you say makes no sense because your actions do not match with you what you call your mindset is. ~rayn The bolded sentence at the ended looks like it's been edited 30 times. "nothing you say makes no sense" "with you what you call your" .... we called this SHROOP...scott howard's rule on odd posts. It's what mafia does when they are trying to make a case but have to rewrite what they are saying because they are trying to make up bad arguments | ||
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On February 13 2014 08:33 roundabound wrote: The points he asks about are valid and certainly amongst the most interesting things in thread. Let's talk about Mattchew: This is what you say about him: Here's what Mattchew has done in his last couple of scumgames at his first posts: TL Mafia LVII; + Show Spoiler + On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote: I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well. The reason people policy lynch people like BM and Grush is because they get by into later in the game because they are unreadable. This is because they barely actually play the game and if you end up in lylo with one of them left, you've basically already lost. I completely understand anyone wanting to policy lynch them, but we should also not allow them to be off the hook for some sort of scum read during the day. That being said, I remember thinking to myself that I don't hate BM's play in the last few games I have been in with him. I do not want to policy lynch today. fakeclaimed. I Cant Believe its not Themed Mini Mafia: + Show Spoiler + On July 12 2012 22:43 Mattchew wrote: he is trying really really hard, and once again he is explaining his entire thought process. I dont think i have ever seen him as scum, but this is the exactly how he plays as town First he talks about gonzaw and in his ~4th post is calling him town. I also checked a couple of his towngames and he does not call anyone town (or scum for whatever reasons) early on. So he is perfectly capable of opening up a game like he did as mafia and your meta read is not accurate, because it does not really line up with any of his games, scum or town. If you want to argue about this bring some evidence from some other games and show people why your read on him is what it is. Anyone can call anyone town because it's the easiest thing for mafia to do, especially if the other person is town because you know they are town so you are not lying and not "making stuff up". You have absolutely no reasons to call Mattchew (or anyone) town at this point of the game unless you bring up proper evidence to back your read up. ~rayn My experience with Mattchew is playing online via webcam. There are hours upon hours of footage. I've explained several times and I'll do it once more. The read that he gave on Vivex is the same read that I had. I didn't say it. He said it first. The fact that he said it first is indicative of a town mindset because I know I'm town and had the same initial reaction. You don't have to agree with it, but that's what I gathered from it. You can say I'm wrong, you can say my reads sucks...but my reads are my reads. You can't make me change them by saying I have no basis for them. I've played HUNDREDS OF HOURS of mafia with mattchew. I think he SUCKS as mafia. I think he's one of the most garbage mafia players around. This is my day 1 read on him. If I think he's not stepping up to the plate, then I'll call him out on it. But as of right now I think he's town. I also find him to be super trolly when he's mafia and pretty tryhard when he's town. He tries to take control and dominate play. Although he hasn't really taken over yet, his first posts have been towny. I don't know whether he's working, watching kevin, trying to play cs:go @ 10FPS or what that it preventing him from posting, but for now, to me, Mattchew's town. | ||
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On February 13 2014 08:37 roundabound wrote: Fucking weak. Now you are just making shit up. ~rayn What am I making up? You think I'm making up the concept of SHROOP? read your post. It is hella contrived. It looks like you started to say one thing and then changed your mind and started saying another thing and then went back and tried to edit it but didn't fix everything. Whatever. It's just an observation. I don't find them to be 100% accurate, but it's definitely not "fucking weak and made up" | ||
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For reference (post 2 by mets): http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/59/puzzles-other-games/shroop-question-682171/ | ||
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On February 13 2014 08:51 roundabound wrote: I already made a case. Are you not reading at all? 1) He can't back up his reads or is unwilling to explain them. 2) His actions do not make sense and they do not line up with his mindset. ~rayn It's laughable that you're still trying to claim that I haven't given my reads and that my actions don't make sense. | ||
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On February 13 2014 03:42 thrawn2112 wrote: hmmm On February 13 2014 05:31 thrawn2112 wrote: heh I was pinging him out and that was his response to me. You can go look up what I said on your own if you want to. Those were irrational responses to what I was saying and I called him scummy and voted on him for that. Just because I didn't do the same thing with Grackoni for saying On February 13 2014 03:37 Grackaroni wrote: No worries there this forum loves spamming. doesn't change anything with regards to my read at that time on Thrawn. It doesn't invalidate my point at all. You calling me out for not pinging every single player that didn't contribute anything is nonsense. As you said, it's 1hr into the start of day 1. | ||
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On February 13 2014 09:53 Mattchew wrote: rayn seems genuine about his read on iamrob, hes probably wrong, but hes def trying and scumhunting the way im used to rayn scum hunting he can go on the town list too yeah, no shit. It's 90%+ chance that it's 2 town fighting, but if he wants to make up bs about my reads and my play then I'll sit here and argue with him all damn game. | ||
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As for your comment with regards to being critical of thought patterns and being mentally agile, those two things are not mutually exclusive. I think that a player who is able to post early and often in a non-convoluted way, whether I agree with the reads or not, is more likely to be town than mafia. As for coming into the game and insta-pinging someone, well I think that's kinda scummy. It might just be because my style of play is to try to build myself a big town circle and then lynch outside of it rather than pinpoint specific people who I think are guaranteed scum. I think it's easier for mafia to come into a game and try to get a mislynch than to come in and try to find some people that they think are towny. | ||
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