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rayn: you seem to know Artanis pretty well. Talk about him with me for a minute?
A couple of things:
1) His attack on you. He was kind of going balls to the wall there for a bit, then all of a sudden:
On January 22 2014 04:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:##UnvoteTime to 180 on my read on Rayn. Show nested quote +On January 22 2014 02:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 22 2014 02:29 suki wrote:
This game is stupid because there's been so much tunneling, despite there being so much activity. It's like everyone decided 'hey lets just be anti-town and focus on one person and not comment on anything else'. Zarepath (on VE), Balla (on Crossfire), Bumatlarge (VE and maybe rayn), Artanis (rayn), Barristan (Zarepath), Thrawn (kush). Crossfire and WileE are ridiculously quiet as well. That's over half the players in the game. Yes, exactly this. Me, you and maybe VE are the only one's who actually comment on more than just one or two things (i don't countt kush bvecause he doesn't really explain anything - but he is still probably town - LOOK THRAWN, I HAVE A CONCLUSION!). Artanis - Balla both weird. Another interesting thing, Balla calls out Crossfire for making a case on me,why not call out Artanis out for voting for me with basically no reasoning? As i said i see Artanis' posts as townie, i can get the logic. I don't like how he has done pretty much nothing at all. I still want to lynch zarepath. seriously everything he says contradicts what he did a post before. When I first pointed out the reason for my suspicion he considered it completely idiotic. The way I've posted about him, no one would blame him for being suspicious of me or even calling for my head. Town sentiment has been against me as well, yet he gets where I'm coming from.
Sure, townies change their minds. But don't you find it a bit odd that he changed his mind as soon as you said you thought he was town?
Also, from the same quote:
On January 22 2014 04:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Zare looks scummy as shit. Rayn's already said it all but calling VE town then calling him scum for it later is an obvious tell.
##vote Zarepath
I'm also still interested in Kush. VE's looking better. The way he articulates his thoughts on Bum makes me feel better on him. Rather than mercilessly ragging on him it feels like he's trying to convey his thought process as clearly as possible.
Kush, especially if Zare flips scum is of interest to me. He's never really given much explanation to his votes. Even though that's not customary of Kush in general, he's shown resistance to explaining even when pressed which I don't feel is his townie persona. His suspicions just follow general thread sentiment other than Zarepath, in which he's contrarian without explaining much about it at all. Could lynch.
Now compare that with:
On January 22 2014 06:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2014 06:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
A asked DarthPunk if mafia has fakeclaims before the game started. You can do it aswell if you don't believe in fakeclaims and not just fucking sit on your asses discussing it here.
Now, who is mafia? Who do we lynch?
thrwan, VE, Artanis, are you here? I am. I agree that Zare is probably not scum with all what happened. I want to lynch Kush. He's saying a lot of things without explaining anything. Follows thread sentiment except oddly on Zarepath, as if he knew he was town.##unvote
##vote Kushm4sta
Those two viewpoints are kinda contradictory, no?
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Why does everyone need my permission to call someone mafia?
This game is going full retard again..
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I dont need your permission. I've called him scum like 3 times now.
I want to convince you.
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I have to check out before day post, so here are my reads thus far:
Town
-Rayne is pretty obviously town. If scum, greatest scum ever, but seems really unlikely
-Suki was a late vote on balla, but her thought process and cases seem to come from an extremely town mindset
-Crossfire seems kinda sketchy but his extremely early vote on Balla seems like the opposite of scum, and actions>words
Null
-Thrawn doesn't provide many full cases but prompts a lot of positive discussion, so doesn't seem scummy to me
-WileE seems... I don't even know. It just seems very difficult to find any pro-town contribution from him, but I get a sense that he just kinda does his own thing. I don't have a town read on him because if that's the case, how are we supposed to know when he's scum?
-I don't have a town read on VE yet and am kind of seeing what comes out of the latest VE/bum interactions to get a better read
-kush was very hesitant to vote for balla, and was very confident in my towniness. I didn't find that a reason for suspicion at all at the time, for obvious reasons, but when I was clearly going to get lynched, his defense of me felt very token and half-hearted, not like somebody terrified we were going to lynch a townie. There is the fact that he was opposite balla on the lynch going for him, though
Leaning mafia
-Artanis was one of few who stayed on kush during the great migration to Balla and has yet to answer for that
-bum was the other who refused to vote for balla
Scummy
-Barristan looks the worst out of all the vote patterns, imo, and as others mentioned, most of his content is meta-related
-JL seems inordinately enthusiastic about the Balla lynch, especially compared to the reality of how much he pushed for it
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No they are not necessarily contradictory and no, that's not necessarily odd.
Both COULD be, but not for sure.
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zarepath there is only one thing that makes me think you are town and that's your claim and the actions regarding it.
Why is thrawn possibly mafia? yes, this is a loaded question.
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You know when the game was going fine?
Before you started screaming that I'm scum and distracting the entire game. Notice how quickly and easily people who hadn't posted much about cases before ran into the game go YEAH LYNCH JL, then fuck off out of the thread.
Doesn't that make you the least bit suspicious? I'm gonna go eat lunch and I'll be back to do some actual scum hunting.
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Maybe contradictory was the wrong word for his stance on kush. It's more like he was just trying extremely hard to justify his kush "read".
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Now that you mention it, it is very unlikely thrawn is scum because he would not have wanted to chime in and say that his role PM was worded similarly to what I posted, giving a townie credibility out of a mislynch.
So EBWOP: townie read on thrawn
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Artanis could be scum for not doing shit, especially now that he can trust me.
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I am really really sure JonnyLaw is mafia.
There is no reason he "pushed" Balla but didn't really do so, he even agreed with suki in Balla is playing like his townie self besides activity, which i clearly pointed out is not the case.
I am not saying what i think about the bum/VE interaction before the resolution period.
doc me if there is a doc.
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Yea, like i pointed out earlier. I've played with scum Artanis, and scum Artanis doesn't try very hard and attempts to just coast by.
The thing that makes me pause, though, is why would scum Artanis keep pushing the kush lynch over the balla lynch to the very end? It seems almost suicidal, unless Kush, Artanis, and Balla are all 3 scum and Artanis was trying to save the RB and get the town cred for the kush lynch.
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artanis had no reason to townread me. so he couldn't really switch his read.
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He calls out Balla for "putting his vote on a lurker lynch" (Crossfire), then he calls Crossfire out for same things Balla did...
Nothing makes sense. He has to be mafia.
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I will Totes McGotes lynch JL tomorrow.
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On January 23 2014 06:32 BarristanTheBold wrote:
Yea, like i pointed out earlier. I've played with scum Artanis, and scum Artanis doesn't try very hard and attempts to just coast by.
The thing that makes me pause, though, is why would scum Artanis keep pushing the kush lynch over the balla lynch to the very end? It seems almost suicidal, unless Kush, Artanis, and Balla are all 3 scum and Artanis was trying to save the RB and get the town cred for the kush lynch.
If the named VT claims are true (as i assume - we had 3 of them at that time) RB does not matter as there are no power roles.
RB is useless role. Now it's maybe not as Slam retracted from his claim. 
but JL is mafia or really really dumb town.
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On January 23 2014 06:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 06:32 BarristanTheBold wrote:
Yea, like i pointed out earlier. I've played with scum Artanis, and scum Artanis doesn't try very hard and attempts to just coast by.
The thing that makes me pause, though, is why would scum Artanis keep pushing the kush lynch over the balla lynch to the very end? It seems almost suicidal, unless Kush, Artanis, and Balla are all 3 scum and Artanis was trying to save the RB and get the town cred for the kush lynch. If the named VT claims are true (as i assume - we had 3 of them at that time) RB does not matter as there are no power roles. RB is useless role. Now it's maybe not as Slam retracted from his claim. but JL is mafia or really really dumb town.
He retracted his claim after the lynch. Relevant?
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Please let there be a doctor in this game... please please...
I am not a doctor.
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On January 23 2014 06:39 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 06:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 23 2014 06:32 BarristanTheBold wrote:
Yea, like i pointed out earlier. I've played with scum Artanis, and scum Artanis doesn't try very hard and attempts to just coast by.
The thing that makes me pause, though, is why would scum Artanis keep pushing the kush lynch over the balla lynch to the very end? It seems almost suicidal, unless Kush, Artanis, and Balla are all 3 scum and Artanis was trying to save the RB and get the town cred for the kush lynch. If the named VT claims are true (as i assume - we had 3 of them at that time) RB does not matter as there are no power roles. RB is useless role. Now it's maybe not as Slam retracted from his claim. but JL is mafia or really really dumb town. He retracted his claim after the lynch. Relevant?
yes, at the lynch there were 3 named VT claims. If all of them are town, mafia knows there is no doc/cop as they obv believe the claims (why would town fakeclaim?).
therefore, for mafia, roleblocker is useless.
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On January 23 2014 06:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am really really sure JonnyLaw is mafia.
There is no reason he "pushed" Balla but didn't really do so, he even agreed with suki in Balla is playing like his townie self besides activity, which i clearly pointed out is not the case.
I am not saying what i think about the bum/VE interaction before the resolution period.
doc me if there is a doc.
Rayn, your whole case is such shit. Pure and utter shit.
you're saying that I'm scum because I found a scum player, said lynch him and he gets lynched and is scum.
Obviously with all of the stellar fucking cases flying around in this game I'm scum for actually finding scum. This is the most backwards logic I've ever heard. How many people in this game have called multiple people scum? You know what, they were wrong. I wasn't. You must think I'm a scum bussing fucking god.
I'm bored of your shit logic. You wanna complain about people not playing the game. Pick the only person aside from yourself who made any effort and make a shit case.
I can lurk too. I wanted to win this game but your case is so bad and people will buy it because they want to sheep you into scum victory. Your pure tunneling will lose us the game regardless.
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