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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
January 20 2014 15:38 GMT
#1755
After reading that little hate-fest and claim I understand toad even less than yesterday but I'm having a hard time calling him a good lynch. What kind of mafia fake-claims with like 2 votes on them and 12 hours to lynch?

Right now Oats and Skanjab are looking scummiest, I'd like to lynch one of them.

I promise this isn't pure OMGUS, but all Oats has done this last day is flame and discredit the shit outta rayn without actually trying to find scum. Then he's like "Lynch Sn0" without reasons simply cuz I'm not here to defend myself. Zero scumhunting or effort, just aiming for an easy target he can safely back off of once I'm back.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
January 20 2014 15:38 GMT
#1756
EBWOP: By "yesterday" I mean day 1 obv
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
January 20 2014 15:48 GMT
#1762
On January 21 2014 00:40 Skanjab1s wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2014 00:38 Sn0_Man wrote:
After reading that little hate-fest and claim I understand toad even less than yesterday but I'm having a hard time calling him a good lynch. What kind of mafia fake-claims with like 2 votes on them and 12 hours to lynch?

Right now Oats and Skanjab are looking scummiest, I'd like to lynch one of them.

I promise this isn't pure OMGUS, but all Oats has done this last day is flame and discredit the shit outta rayn without actually trying to find scum. Then he's like "Lynch Sn0" without reasons simply cuz I'm not here to defend myself. Zero scumhunting or effort, just aiming for an easy target he can safely back off of once I'm back.


Hey, what are your reasons for thinking I'm scum?

Because this does sound like pure OMGUS.(net)

Because every time you pop in the thread its to be blendy and point out some irrelevancy without actually scumhunting.

Who is scum Skanjab? Oh right, its me the safe vote that your scumbuddy oats has already put on the table. Why? "Sheepiness pre vote" give me a break. If you want to accuse me, at least try to make a case. I wanted CONSOLIDATION in the lynch. Something that scum couldn't just pull whatever way they wanted.

Meanwhile the rest of your posts range from
On January 20 2014 07:07 Skanjab1s wrote:
I can promise you that I'm not mafia, and tell you that I've never lied about making that kind of promise as scum, and if you feel like being illogical you'd get to cross off a townie from your scumlist.

to
On January 20 2014 01:16 Skanjab1s wrote:
If you guys could stop shipping me with whoever you think is scum, that'd be great.

Rayn, could you summarize why Toad is scum please? Remember that I have no idea about his meta, so the "him being dumb" point doesn't help much.

So helpful in catching scum. Clearly that is your primary desire.

PS why did you drop your hopeless read? You were so certain he was scum post grack's flip. What changed?

None of that comes from town.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
January 20 2014 15:59 GMT
#1769
I haven't seen any proper, clear cut reasoning not to lynch hopeless. The only thing I saw u mention was the cop check.

If you think he's scum, lynch with fire. The parity check would still be valid after hopeless flips, in fact it makes Toad's role more powerful if he's not lying.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
January 20 2014 16:01 GMT
#1770
EBWOP: I'm talking to skanjab above btw.

I'm not certain on a hopeless lynch anymore I'd have to go back and do some re-reading if that becomes a thing.

But Skanjab doesn't really have a reason for just dumping his prime scumread to start calling me scum without any case to speak of. Early D1 case that has been utterly debunked obviously doesn't count.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
January 20 2014 16:12 GMT
#1775
You think Toad's playing "too scummy to be scum" or something?

Because, like I (and others) said, when was the last time mafia fake-claimed with ~12 hours to lynch and ~2 votes on them?

I mean, I'm more certain about Skanjab and Oats being scum, and leaving toad alive has the upside of him either absorbing mafia night actions or basically scumclaiming right?
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
January 20 2014 16:24 GMT
#1779
On January 21 2014 01:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
sn0man, where did your skan and oats read come from, you seemed to want to lynch Toad and hopeless day 1.

You guys have both spend the entire game posting 1-line snipes that are pretty much dedicated to starting flame-wars and self-defense. Zero scumhunting. There's nothing to quote from your filters because there's nothing in them. Skanjab's day 1 case is the only thing worth mentioning and it's ridiculous garbage built on nothing day 1. Doesn't count as scumhunting, does count as trying to look good.

You in particular oats, your main contributions were "huge flame war with thrawn" -> lurk "huge flame war with rayn". I fail to see how town!Oats does that exclusively instead of actually scumhunting. Your "lynch rayn" case boiled down to "he thinks i'm scum lol" no other reasons. Plus you dropped it in seconds as soon as I showed up.

Toad I still don't get but I don't want to lynch uncountered cop claim see above.
Hopeless does have a vet claim and his posts struck me as better going through the thread. If there's a serious push to lynch him as I mentioned I can go back and re-read his filter specifically. However, I don't feel the need to do that when you two are so clearly scum.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
January 20 2014 16:32 GMT
#1782
##Vote: Oatsmaster
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
January 20 2014 16:34 GMT
#1784
On January 21 2014 01:32 Skanjab1s wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2014 01:24 Sn0_Man wrote:
On January 21 2014 01:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
sn0man, where did your skan and oats read come from, you seemed to want to lynch Toad and hopeless day 1.

You guys have both spend the entire game posting 1-line snipes that are pretty much dedicated to starting flame-wars and self-defense. Zero scumhunting. There's nothing to quote from your filters because there's nothing in them. Skanjab's day 1 case is the only thing worth mentioning and it's ridiculous garbage built on nothing day 1. Doesn't count as scumhunting, does count as trying to look good.

You in particular oats, your main contributions were "huge flame war with thrawn" -> lurk "huge flame war with rayn". I fail to see how town!Oats does that exclusively instead of actually scumhunting. Your "lynch rayn" case boiled down to "he thinks i'm scum lol" no other reasons. Plus you dropped it in seconds as soon as I showed up.

Toad I still don't get but I don't want to lynch uncountered cop claim see above.
Hopeless does have a vet claim and his posts struck me as better going through the thread. If there's a serious push to lynch him as I mentioned I can go back and re-read his filter specifically. However, I don't feel the need to do that when you two are so clearly scum.

Well your first point is a complete lie, so thats dandy.

Do you wish to point out some fine examples of your or oats's scumhunting? I couldn't find them in your filters so I'm curious as to where you think I should look.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
January 20 2014 16:38 GMT
#1786
On January 21 2014 01:34 Oatsmaster wrote: My 'huge flame war' was scumhunting, I pointed out some shit about you sn0 which you failed to address.

I'm not at all certain what you are referring to, but if its the "I'm a sheep" bit then thats pretty sad.

I voted grack. I was convinced he was the best lynch for a loooong time. Then, after a LOT of badgering from others, some of whom I trusted as town, opted to vote hopeless who at the time was still clearly one of my scumreads. When the hopeless lynch all of a sudden dissipated for reasons that I'm still not quite sure about (actually, I should go re-read that), I reverted to my original preferred lynch candidate (grack). Simple.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
January 20 2014 16:40 GMT
#1787
On January 21 2014 01:34 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2014 01:32 Sn0_Man wrote:
##Vote: Oatsmaster

why did you vote so late?

Couldn't decide who I thought was a better lynch, you or skanjab.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
January 20 2014 17:22 GMT
#1792
Thats exactly what I said.

I got badgered into voteing hopeless then everybody was like "lulz jk" and unvoted hopeless. I asked for some sort of justification for it, specifically why other people are specifically scummy, and got nothing. So I went right back to grack my original vote.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
January 20 2014 17:39 GMT
#1795
On January 21 2014 02:20 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
I move my vote off of some incredibly useless player who has solid odds of flipping scum (especially if he slipped as toad seems to think)

This. This is a scumslip. So much scumslips.

See here you are back to your 1-liner snipes with no explanation because you know there isn't any.
On January 21 2014 02:20 Oatsmaster wrote:
Why isnt anyone else seeing this SUPER SHEEPING that is happening in these 2 quotes? Is sn0 not sheeping?

Working with a townread is sheeping? I was willing to go with what thrawn and kush were saying because they were making the most sense at that time. I'd been fairly suspicious of hopeless all game. However, I wasn't gonna leave my vote on hopeless for no reason once it became clear he wasn't getting lynched so I moved back to my other preferred lynch. This all makes sense from a town perspective. The one that you obviously don't share.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
January 20 2014 17:48 GMT
#1798
Talking about when they got me to swap to hopeless dumbass.

Kush shortly thereafter went apeshit but for a while he made sense. So I voted hopeless.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
January 20 2014 17:57 GMT
#1799
This is timed after my grack vote but before my hopeless vote:
On January 18 2014 04:06 Sn0_Man wrote:
Okay, but the whole thread is scummy how do i choose?

Toad is full of shit and being dumb
Grack outright refuses to do anything that might indicate towniness
Hopeless wont stop sniping from the sidelines and making accusations without substantiating cases or contributing
Vaynes all mysterious and awful
Mig still won't do anything other than call me scum
Koshis all Koshi

And thats without cephiro the utterly afk.

How do I choose who to lynch? I choose whoever I think isn't gonna become more readable and lynch the crap outta them. Today its grack.

No kush on my scum list there DESPITE MY PREVIOUS VOTE ON HIM because he was making sense and thrawn was backing him.
Then he started changing votes everywhere and I got really confused with what he was doing. I felt like the lynch was gonna end up with some last minute shenanigans which basically always favour scum so I got mad at him and flamed him. Didn't call him scum though.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
January 20 2014 18:12 GMT
#1805
oats...

how on earth doesn't it make sense for me to revert to my old vote when my "new" one is clearly not getting lynched?

I HAD HOPELESS AS SCUM ALL DAY 1.
I WANTED TO LYNCH GRACK AKA MEGA TROLL ALSO SCUMREAD.
ENDED UP BEING CONVINCED TO VOTE SCUMREAD 2 OVER SCUMREAD 1.
WENT BACK TO SCUMREAD 1 WHEN SCUMREAD 2 WAS UNLYNCHABLE.
NOW YOU ARE FLAMING ME FOR NOT SHEEPING AFTER CALLING ME SCUM FOR SHEEPING.

just shut up.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
January 20 2014 22:36 GMT
#1832
Oats refuses to address the subject of toad pretty much anywhere in his D2 filter.

Skan defended toad fairly hard but he ditched.

Anyway, I certainly have misgivings about the toad lynch. I'd rather lynch Oats, since the only "case" or reasoning he's bothered with all game has been pushing me. Beyond that he's literally got into big hate-fests with multiple people (rayn, thrawn) then peaced the fuck outta the thread after shitting it up to the max. No scumhunting, big flamewars. He also carefully avoided voting for Grack and instead threw away his vote on Koshi of all people.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
January 22 2014 15:27 GMT
#2094
On January 22 2014 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Look at what Oats is doing. Again. This is what he does every time.

He does not comment on anything that's been said in thread. He comments on his theory on how the game is playing out (but he does not really have one) and refuses to say anything on what's been said in thread.

That's pure mafia mindset. When you can't answer arguments make some bullshit posts about "what if.." or "but then why..".

All he is doing is asking stupid questions, not providing answers or interacting with people.

On January 22 2014 23:24 Oatsmaster wrote:
There are 0 arguments against me that have any substance. Try harder Rayn.
Answer the question.

How can Oats post like this and possibly be town?

Rayn points out exactly why he looks insanely scummy, since he refuses to reason or contribute in favour of "theory" discussions and shitfests everywhere. His play is like textbook scum play when they don't have cases on townies.

Oats's comeback? "Lol nobody has a case on me try harder". The easiest scum defense ever: flat denial. He doesn't address any of the points, doesn't rebutt anything, just says "ur wrong".

Oats actually has to be scum.

I'm also confused as hell about Cephiro's garbage. I'll reread that and get back to you guys. Meanwhile...

##Vote: Oatsmaster
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
January 22 2014 15:45 GMT
#2118
Okay I don't get Cephiro at all.

Who claims SK 10 mins before Day Post?

He can't be SK because there's no way that helps him is there? I don't think he was at serious risk in that situation.
He can't be Town because his claim doesn't help town at all. Nobody is gonna counter claim him. It didn't come early enough to for example save mig if scum thought "free shot". It is however causing a ton of confusion in-thread.
It doesn't even make sense as scum to do that does it? I mean sure he fucks with the thread which is obviously a plus if he's scum but doesn't this make him pretty damn suspicious?

I dunno, I want to call it a scumclaim but it seems incredibly dumb from any perspective. It's actually possible that he is SK simply because for example scum could have shot bulletproof SK Ceph who shot Mig last night. However, that still doesn't explain why he claimed.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
January 22 2014 15:49 GMT
#2122
On January 23 2014 00:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Skanjabs, Hopeless and Sno, can you guys vote for Koshi?
Or talk to me about the case if you think he is town.

Hmmm. I'll have to re-read Koshi I guess. Its LYLO so I can't "just vote Koshi" considering Oats is scum but if Koshi is too then I could maybe. Not sure why we don't just lynch Oats.

BRB reading Koshi + ur case.
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