Koshi if I believe that toad is probably town then vayne is also probably town for trying to prevent town from destroying itself. How can you not understand that, it is called logical deduction.

Hopeless - the claim + how the voting went down towards the end of the day points more towards either being town or sk to me. Like I said he could still be mafia but it was enough for me to ignore him for now.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

January 20 2014 15:30 GMT

#1748

On January 21 2014 00:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
There is no reason Toad should be town. He thinks i am mafia so he gives up as town cop when mafia accuses him of being mafia.. If that's the case he is playing against his wincon.

Thoughts on Oats, go.

There is a chance that Toad changed his read on you from mafia to stupid townie and then was so frustrated he quit. This would not be the first time a townie has raged at you haha.

My question is toad the type of guy who would get emotional and quit as mafia or is he the type of guy more likely to do it as town?

This is something we need to be discussing. If there is a sk and he shoots town tonight and toad is town then the game is essentially over. And look at how dead the thread is. Nobody besides me even wants to talk about shit.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

January 20 2014 20:51 GMT

#1824

It really is ridiculous that toad is still voting for himself and hasn't posted again.

If Toad is actually a town cop and he doesn't come back then 100% he should receive a ban for rage quitting and not playing for his wincon. There is no possible way that voting for yourself then afking less than 24h into day2 as the town cop is correct play. It is just a rage quit/sabotaging your own team.

Going to vote Toad and just assume he isn't that huge of a dick.

##vote Toad

Mig

United States4714 Posts

January 20 2014 22:10 GMT

#1826

The more I think about it the less likely it seems to me that Toad can be mafia.

For him to be mafia he would need to put a lot of effort into this game (10 page filter with a bunch of long posts) THEN fake claim cop less than 24 h into the day (which virtually never happens) THEN martyr himself and never return. Why would mafia ever do this? The game has been going amazing for them. All Toad needed to do to survive was to post a few times. If he were mafia, he wouldn't be emotional and I don't think he would just abandon his team like this. It just seems to incredibly unlikely.

##Unvote

Mig

United States4714 Posts

January 20 2014 22:19 GMT

#1828

2 things hopeless

1) are people more likely to get emotional as townies or Mafia?
2) It is a lot tougher to quit on a team when your teammates can actually contact and talk to you.

I mean you are saying this is a purposeful mafia strategy. So mafia really planned for him to fake claim cop (when he had no clue if anyone would counter claim) then just give up? How does that make sense as a mafia strategy. All toad had to do to survive was not vote himself and post a few times and enough people wouldn't want to lynch a claimed cop. And if he were mafia and saw the martyr wasnt working, wouldn't he come back and try to survive?

The way toad is playing is throwing the game whether he is mafia or town and it is way more likely for a townie to throw than mafia.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

January 20 2014 22:26 GMT

#1829

All mafia really needs is 1 more mislynch and a missed shot by the sk(assuming there is one) and they virtually guarantee a win. Knowing this they just let Toad die for nothing? Toad doesn't try to help his team at all?

And I know that I am town and I am the only one still reconsidering 1.5 hours before lynch. What none of his teammates even try to save him?

Mig

United States4714 Posts

January 20 2014 22:34 GMT

#1830

##vote: sno

Oats raises some decent points, I feel like at the very least sno has been bullshitting/overstating his reads and hes been crazy wishy washy. Combined with my earlier suspicions and the fact that the Toad lynch is bad.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

January 20 2014 22:39 GMT

#1835

Vayne. That would be pretty fucking ballsy. I mean it is less than 1.5 hours till lynch and he still hasn't posted. So he did it just in the hopes some townie likes me gets cold feet.

It really wasn't his only out. After claiming there was no reason for him to martyr himself. He only had 2 votes! The town would not be lynching him if he just kept posting.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

January 20 2014 22:39 GMT

#1836

Vayne, look at this from my perspective. I know I am town and I see nobody trying to save him 1.5 hours before lynch.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

January 20 2014 22:41 GMT

#1838

On January 21 2014 07:35 Hopeless1der wrote:

Show nested quote +

This point just doesnt clear with me when he was so supportive on NOT letting Rayn die for no reason with respect to kush's flip.

I have no idea what you mean by this.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

January 20 2014 22:41 GMT

#1839

How was he caught lol. He had 2 votes.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

January 20 2014 22:42 GMT

#1840

I wouldn't exactly call. Fake claim cop with 30 hours left in the day, followed by martyr yourself, disappear and never return as the most common scum play ever. I would infact describe it as ridiculously uncommon.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

January 20 2014 22:49 GMT

#1842

That is a reasonable point, maybe scum just don't want to risk trying to save him. Certainly happens.

I just find it hard to believe he would martyr right after pulling a huge dt fake claim and then never return. If you are going to plan out a fake claim (his breadcrumbs/talking about millers) are you also going to martyr right after it? Seems like the martyr was an emotional reaction and that is way more common for a townie than mafia.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

January 21 2014 00:07 GMT

#1849

What an incredibly dumb line of reasoning toad wow. I would have madr sure you werent lynched ffs. You werent even close to being lynched. Thanks for helping us lose.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

January 21 2014 00:12 GMT

#1851

Also shame on all you cows who refused to listen to me. My only solace is that I will hopefully be shot and I wont have to listen to mafia/monkey cephiro and koshi keep calling me scum.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

January 21 2014 00:17 GMT

#1854

cephiro if you are town please top being a cow, thank you

Mig

United States4714 Posts

January 21 2014 01:20 GMT

#1859

The game is very close to over now and if 2 townies die tonight then it is 99.9% over. If anyone thinks that I as mafia would have jeopardized that by trying to save the town cop 1.5 hours before lynch just for some town cred you are insane.

Since you simply ignore this fact cephiro it means you are either mafia or you have the playing ability of a bag of dirty socks. I don't really know which is the case unfortunately.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

January 21 2014 01:22 GMT

#1860

If there is an SK out there, you have to shoot mafia tonight to have any shot at winning. I would probably suggest shooting Sno.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

January 21 2014 01:31 GMT

#1863

Also if sno does not die tonight and I do, please lynch him. Do not lynch skan. I am not 100% convinced about him but sno/oats/cephiro are all better options (sno/cephiro probably the 2 best).

Mig

United States4714 Posts

January 21 2014 01:32 GMT

#1864

cephiro, you are incredibly annoying if you are town. At this point it has to be obvious to every single other person in the game my alignment. Just open your eyes. I do not have to make any cases to prove I am town, I have already done so.