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Skanjab1s
Profile Joined June 2013
748 Posts
January 17 2014 12:08 GMT
#813
Actually nvm, misread.
Skanjab1s
Profile Joined June 2013
748 Posts
January 17 2014 20:12 GMT
#1077
On January 18 2014 04:37 Hopeless1der wrote:
I told Toad there was no basis for his (meta?) read on sn0 since sn0 has never rolled scum. Using the reasoning that wishywashy statements come from scum doesn't apply to sn0 since in every town game he's played, he has similar statements. He pulls one post from WC2 when at MYLO (LYLO?) sn0 finally has to play (so did I if you remember correctly, it was my case sn0 was responding to) after days of information. There is again, no reasonable comparison to this game the way Toad has framed his case.

He goes on to say how I'm the only other player thats 'yellow/orange' on his sheet when we have Grack doing nothing, cephiro being afk. Toad is opportunistically trying to bandwagon on me and doesnt give a shit about pushing anyone because both me and sn0 are mislynch targets, and I was leading the votes.




skanjab is a weaker read but basically his case on sn0 was garbage and his followup explaining the way he makes his cases is using scummy and selective reasoning.


Could you elaborate on the "scummy and selective reasoning" thing, please?
Skanjab1s
Profile Joined June 2013
748 Posts
January 17 2014 20:17 GMT
#1081
On January 18 2014 05:15 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2014 05:12 Skanjab1s wrote:
On January 18 2014 04:37 Hopeless1der wrote:
I told Toad there was no basis for his (meta?) read on sn0 since sn0 has never rolled scum. Using the reasoning that wishywashy statements come from scum doesn't apply to sn0 since in every town game he's played, he has similar statements. He pulls one post from WC2 when at MYLO (LYLO?) sn0 finally has to play (so did I if you remember correctly, it was my case sn0 was responding to) after days of information. There is again, no reasonable comparison to this game the way Toad has framed his case.

He goes on to say how I'm the only other player thats 'yellow/orange' on his sheet when we have Grack doing nothing, cephiro being afk. Toad is opportunistically trying to bandwagon on me and doesnt give a shit about pushing anyone because both me and sn0 are mislynch targets, and I was leading the votes.




skanjab is a weaker read but basically his case on sn0 was garbage and his followup explaining the way he makes his cases is using scummy and selective reasoning.


Could you elaborate on the "scummy and selective reasoning" thing, please?

"Look at these posts I quoted. They are scummy for Reason A. Therefore the player is scummy for Reason A.
NO!! Do not read those other posts that disagree with Reason A. They aren't important. Read the posts I quoted and only those posts. Those are the scummy ones. Read those. No guys stop looking at the entire filter. You only need to look at what I showed you. I clearly explained why the posts I quoted are scummy. That means that player is scummy. You don't need to know anything else."


Well that hilarious misrepresentation has made me even happier with lynching you, thanks.
Skanjab1s
Profile Joined June 2013
748 Posts
January 18 2014 00:01 GMT
#1330
Is the flip right now?
Skanjab1s
Profile Joined June 2013
748 Posts
January 18 2014 00:02 GMT
#1331
Oh, yes, yes it is.

For shame.
Skanjab1s
Profile Joined June 2013
748 Posts
January 18 2014 00:09 GMT
#1342
Yes, I was observing silently, something you should know a lot about.
Skanjab1s
Profile Joined June 2013
748 Posts
January 18 2014 00:10 GMT
#1344
I had nothing to add that would have helped in any way.
Skanjab1s
Profile Joined June 2013
748 Posts
January 18 2014 00:12 GMT
#1347
Because I tried oh so hard to defend myself, huh?

Anyway, gotta go beddy-bye, timezones and stuff.
Skanjab1s
Profile Joined June 2013
748 Posts
January 18 2014 00:14 GMT
#1348
On January 18 2014 09:11 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2014 09:10 Skanjab1s wrote:
I had nothing to add that would have helped in any way.


how did the flip affect your reads? what was your immediate reaction to seeing the flip?


My immediate inner monologue was: "Damn, I see green writing. Ohyeah, grack was the last-minute hasty counter wagon to hopeless, this makes it even moore likely that hopeless is scum. Fantastic"

So basically, It just reinforced my feelings on hopeless.
Skanjab1s
Profile Joined June 2013
748 Posts
January 18 2014 00:16 GMT
#1350
To say what before the deadline?

I didn't know grack's alignment before deadline, so I couldn't have made that argument.
Skanjab1s
Profile Joined June 2013
748 Posts
January 18 2014 00:18 GMT
#1352
Lol
Skanjab1s
Profile Joined June 2013
748 Posts
January 18 2014 12:36 GMT
#1401
That is how townies make cases. They go back, filter their scumread, and try to find things that point to scum. If you think this is "bad" then you're wrong.

(1) As I have already explained, it would be impossible for me to make that point before Grack flipped, because Grack could have flipped mafia, thus making hopeless very unlikely to be scum.
(2) This isn't stupid reasoning. A guy gets a bunch of votes on him and then, right at the end of the day, they quickly come off and a townie gets lynched? That points to scum saving hopeless by redirecting town with a last-minute lynch. There's nothing stupid about that reasoning, it's perfectly logical. And, once again, because you seem to not understand it, it would be impossible to make that point before Grack had flipped town. I really can't make this any clearer for you. How does this in any way contradict itself?

Your last two points on me are a direct contradiction and are bad.
Skanjab1s
Profile Joined June 2013
748 Posts
January 18 2014 13:05 GMT
#1422
On January 18 2014 21:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You can't say Grackaroni flipping town makes Hopeless more likely to be scum if you are town because if that is the case you did believe Grack is scum - so him being a wagon does not make Hopeless mafia, because other townies (like you) thought he is scum too. Therefore, if you did not think Grack is town before the flip you can't make the connection argument. It's only possible if you know/think Grack is town before the flip and you didn't think so because you did not say so. If you had thought so, you would have tried to prevent a mislynch before it happened.

No, that's not how townies make cases. You don't need to "try to find something scummy", you read the thread and notice scummy things and then you point them out. Not go to someone's filter and try to find something scummy..

If you do that as town that's probably why you are bad.


I can say that if I am town. My thoughts on Grack's alignment prior to his flip have absolutely nothing to do with my knowledge of his alignment post-flip. That's why I can make connection arguments after the flip. It's called "gaining information". I was resoundingly null on Grack, by the way.

And yes, just because you make shitty cases in a different way than I make shitty cases doesn't make me bad. It does make you an arrogant ass, though.
Skanjab1s
Profile Joined June 2013
748 Posts
January 18 2014 13:07 GMT
#1423
On January 18 2014 21:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So Skanjabs, tell me who did save Hopeless and what are the bullshit arguments Grack was lynched with?


Nah
Skanjab1s
Profile Joined June 2013
748 Posts
January 19 2014 08:34 GMT
#1586
On January 19 2014 09:14 Hopeless1der wrote:
##DoubleLynch

If I'm reading this correctly cephiro is a day-vig or is scum. I'm in the process of rereading things. Skanjab has damn near claimed SK and while he could just be joking about it I greatly dislike having to second guess someone who is wearing a "Lynch me" sign. Toad is being "framed" by the SK in my opinion. Not sure how that is going to play out as I still think Toad is scummy.


lolwhat, where have I claimed SK?
Skanjab1s
Profile Joined June 2013
748 Posts
January 19 2014 13:52 GMT
#1591
Lol, Toad isn't mafia, and neither is Mig. We should lynch hopeless, the points on him are completely valid and he should have died yesterday.

##vote: hopeless1der
Skanjab1s
Profile Joined June 2013
748 Posts
January 19 2014 16:16 GMT
#1613
If you guys could stop shipping me with whoever you think is scum, that'd be great.

Rayn, could you summarize why Toad is scum please? Remember that I have no idea about his meta, so the "him being dumb" point doesn't help much.
Skanjab1s
Profile Joined June 2013
748 Posts
January 19 2014 16:23 GMT
#1614
It makes me all self-conscious when the thread goes quiet after I type something.
Skanjab1s
Profile Joined June 2013
748 Posts
January 19 2014 17:06 GMT
#1622
On January 20 2014 00:33 Toadesstern wrote:
His most recent post. Suddenly ska reappears on the list. I'm still his lynch candidate but Ska/Oats are STILL his more scummy suspects as he keeps on pondering about those instead. Despite saying though his vote is still firmly on me. And as you might have figured, still no fucking reasoning for anything.


This is strange, because you have said that I'm your main lynch candidate, but rayn is still a "more scummy suspect", and you keep pondering on about him instead. And as you might have figured, you've given no reasoning for thinking I'm scum, either.

It's a bit weird to be accusing someone of being scum for doing the EXACT thing you are doing, unless you're scum, of course.
Skanjab1s
Profile Joined June 2013
748 Posts
January 19 2014 19:49 GMT
#1658
Why would you claim if there is probably no medic now you moron
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