That quote from Toad obviously looks terrible and is the fucking exact same thing I called Sno out on and then you fucks all said my case was horrible haha.

Regardless, Toad is not the best lynch. 1) hes been pretty active, isn't proof that hes town but is a decent indicator usually. 2) Mafia don't usually fake claim like this in a small setup. If he was going to fake claim why do it this early? Better to wait until it was almost lynch then fake claim. Usually it is stupid/emotional townies who claim this early. Also if he were mafia he risks someone counter claiming and just lynching him. Unless he/vayne are both mafia so they planned for vayne to immediately tell people not to counter claim.

Anyway with 3 mafia alive, seems better to lynch someone else and maybe mafia will just shoot toad tonight.

Mig

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January 19 2014 22:02 GMT

#1683

On January 19 2014 22:03 Koshi wrote:
Or SK.

Therefore he didn't give reads because he knew he wasn't going to be shot. Or he even has vest.
I will check how many times toad gives reads when town on the night deadline.

Did you ever check this koshi?

Mig

United States4714 Posts

January 19 2014 22:04 GMT

#1684

If vayne/toad are not mafia together then seems pretty likely that vayne is town. He had obviously considered the possibility of multiple parity cops. If he were mafia he would be thrilled with the possibility of a potential counter claim. It would probably end the game for town.

Rayn is like 99% town. So if we ignore toad/vayn. Probably should be ignoring hopeless just based on the fact that 0 blues have flipped and if town doesn't have any medics (I am assuming this unless they are retarded and didn't protect thrawn/kush. Guess it is possible they protected rayn). But anyway would make sense for town to have vets. Possible that hopeless could be sk and took the bp option still btw but useless to consider for now.

So what we have ceph/sno/skan/koshi/oats.

I am just going to be honest, I don't really know who is mafia. I looked back through skan's games and he doesn't have any as mafia so wasn't a lot of help.

Rayn are you confident koshi is town? I asked you this earlier and don't think you answered it.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

January 19 2014 22:06 GMT

#1686

sno btw hasn't posted in forever. If he ends up being mafia and I was right from the beginning going to be pissed.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

January 19 2014 22:07 GMT

#1690

Skan what happened to hopeless. You were more confident after the lynch that it made him mafia. What changed.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

January 19 2014 22:21 GMT

#1694

koshi you said earlier that oats being aggressive/in your face does not make him town because he has done it as mafia. Do you have any examples of games where that is true?

Mig

United States4714 Posts

January 19 2014 22:37 GMT

#1698

Oats never does anything, in white flag he was way more passive/self conscious and Grack caught him immediately just based on meta. Grack didn't do the same this game. So I am asking does anyone have examples of Oats being aggressive as mafia.

Anyway I am reading his filter and pyp's for comparison now.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

January 19 2014 22:50 GMT

#1701

Toad don't be useless. Do you actually believe rayn is mafia? If you did think he was mafia why are you being so pissy.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

January 19 2014 22:57 GMT

#1705

Instead of being emotional retards, how about just playing the game. It is only mafia not life or death.

Toad answer my question please.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

January 19 2014 23:05 GMT

#1709

On January 20 2014 07:58 Koshi wrote:
Mig, can you comment on the Cephiro case?

It is wrong and I am town. What exactly do you want me to comment on.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

January 19 2014 23:21 GMT

#1710

koshi/rayn/others what do you think about toad here. As mafia would he fake claim then just martyr like this? If he as mafia decided to make a fake claim wouldn't he be pushing it instead of pushing the emotional martyr angle.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

January 20 2014 15:21 GMT

#1738

Considering you still think I am mafia, you don't know who the mafia are either koshi.

I was trying to narrow people down through poe on who would give the highest % chance of being mafia. Could hopeless still be mafia? Yes but he at least had something going for him which most people don't.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

January 20 2014 15:23 GMT

#1741

If toad is town, this is honestly pretty pathetic and the game is over. Nobody else is having any doubts that if Toad were mafia he wouldn't just give up like this?

Mig

United States4714 Posts

January 20 2014 15:25 GMT

#1744

I am fine with an oats lynch. I spent forever reading his old games yesterday and I honestly can't really tell that much of a difference between his town/scum. But he hasn't been very helpful, hes been quiet during all this toad stuff and hes on the short list of candidates, especially if we are believing skan.