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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-09 16:34:53
January 09 2014 16:33 GMT
#1373
Kush was very easy to read this game. But I probably have as much or more experience reading him as anyone else
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 09 2014 16:42 GMT
#1379
On January 09 2014 22:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
thrawn i would really like to hear what was the intention behind saying this:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2014 15:43 thrawn2112 wrote:
On January 09 2014 15:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 09 2014 04:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 09 2014 04:36 thrawn2112 wrote:
wbg are you here? I'm about to leave for this phase and would like your thoughts on yamato

Why does it matter what WBG thinks of yamato?

On January 09 2014 04:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If you are not planning on lynching WBG it shouldn't mean shit to you what he thinks at this point.

Now it's time to answer this thrawn.


It mattered because I was about to go to work, I didn't know who to leave my vote on because everyone was so concerned with policy lynch arguments and not with alignments. I figured even if bugs is scum he'd probably give better advice than anyone I was currently talking to.

That looked really bad.


I don't think it'd bad. I think you might think it looks bad because it casts you in a negative light. What I was referring to was the horde of people who wanted to talk about policy lynching kush and when I argued about it they completely refused to talk about his alignment. I had to go to work soon and needed a place to park my vote and everyone in the thread was being silly, why wouldn't I want to talk to wbg?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 09 2014 17:13 GMT
#1382
rayn the reason i was bsing about wbg is I didn't want him nightkilled. i was gonna drop it right before d2
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 09 2014 17:22 GMT
#1384
I wasn't really worried about that tbh. I think I underestimated how many people thought I could be scum. I'm not doing 8 page D1s anymore so I think I should reevaluate what I can get away with

"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 09 2014 17:28 GMT
#1387
On January 10 2014 02:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like your last post i quoted seemed like you were implying you wanted "advice" from WBG, "even if he is scum". That didn't make sense to me. Asking opinions is fine.


That bit was me qq'ing about everyone I was talking to and less about bugs. I didn't think he was scum at all.

meant to be an insult in the form of ... wbg's scummy advice is probably better than all your town advice
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-10 04:09:09
January 10 2014 04:06 GMT
#1412
I understand how not reading every single post might be thought to be bad but that's only from the perspective that mafia is the most important thing in life. WoS if kush wants to read half the thread and ends up with better reads than the average person (he wanted to lynch CC while you guys were circle jerking about policy lynching kush, he was on board with lynching Corazon almost the entire game, he got both the scum in his PoE list, and he settled on Artanis before the night was over.) then he can read as much as he wants.

On top of that he was one of the easiest town reads in that game.

So you want to policy lynch him.... why? People like saying it's because he's unreadable.... well he's not, so that makes the people who say that bad.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 10 2014 04:23 GMT
#1414
tbh I think you offend people for many reasons. so they'd rather just lynch you than have to confront their own prejudices
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 10 2014 09:58 GMT
#1422
On January 10 2014 17:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2014 17:05 Corazon wrote:
On January 10 2014 17:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 10 2014 16:52 Corazon wrote:
On January 10 2014 16:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 10 2014 16:44 Corazon wrote:
Rayn. I've always wanted to know this about you: Do you sleep?

I do. Just slept ~10 hours.
I've just had a lots of free time during xmas and for a week or so still so i understand the question. ^^

Do you live in Finland? And what allows you to play mafia 24/7?

Yeah i live in Finland. atm got nothing much else to do. I usually sleep when you Americans are posting, unless it's weekend when i stay up later mainly because of voice mafia.

I think you are the only player who manages to play 3 games at the same time and not piss anyone off with lack of activity.

That has more to do with my memory than my activity. Everyone is capable of making posts ifthey want to i think. I usually rememeber pretty good what has happened and where to look if i need to reread something.


If I can remember the player list without referencing the OP it's an accomplishment. I somehow spent most of the game thinking WoS was the host. One time I had to check the player list to see if marv was in the game because I thought he was and I was about to get mad at him for being afk.

that should help you read me better in the future when we're arguing and I don't seem to have any clue what's going on
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 10 2014 15:32 GMT
#1428
On January 10 2014 20:10 marvellosity wrote:
btw thrawn, you constantly talk yourself down when you're really very competent


All those things I said were true and I have better expectations than "competency." I know how to look townie.. but I never actually find and lead lynches on scum do I? Making reasonable posts is only half the battle. There have been a few times where I start feeling proud of myself after a few successful games, and eventually I'll get completely mindfucked like in WC2 and suddenly I think I know nothing about the game or how to find scum. It always takes a few games to build the momentum back. I do think I am improving but it's just taking a long time and I keep backtracking every time I decide I don't like how I'm approaching the game.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 10 2014 15:39 GMT
#1430
oh i was very motivated after that. it inspired all the work I put into our LXIII mason chat
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 10 2014 15:51 GMT
#1437
On January 11 2014 00:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
...who also claims a green check on his scumbuddy.


lol u bitch. if you had claimed any more than 5 seconds later that game would have been completely different
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-10 17:05:11
January 10 2014 16:51 GMT
#1452
some excerpts that I think are relevant to what I was trying to say earlier

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"When you consistently win with something it's only natural that your belief in the validity of your
strategy is reinforced constantly. For progamers this is a great way to test the strength of their ideas. If
they keep winning with it, it's probably a good strategy because they are testing it against the very best.
That however does not apply to foreigners testing their ideas against other foreigners. If Flash shows up to
the MSL nals with 1 base bio openings he is going to get mercilessly crushed because Jaedong will know
how to beat it. But foreigners can easily go higher than even b- with such atrocious strategies because they
play against people who don't know how to react at all. The problem only grows worse because they believe
their ideas are correct because they reinforce their beliefs by beating clueless opponents. When such things
are possible, it's no wonder the overall strategic understanding becomes warped."

"Losing to stupid things will happen and there might be a point where you can beat a decent player
who plays correctly yet lose to a poor one who uses inferior strategies. This bizarre situation occurs because
you are jumping over a large period of growth by rigorously learning from the correct ideas (those by the
pros) instead of learning much slower, but more incrementally, by personal trial and error. Thus there will
come a point when you have a gap in your knowledge: you understand what is right, but not why it is
right, and thus do not have the know how without a direct example of how to defeat inferior ideas. Seeking
explanations certainly does help here as the accuracy on solved problems is usually better than for unsolved
ones, but on its own it might not be enough. If you have the skill to play as other races, playing from the
other side of the eld is a great x. Try playing that 1 base bio against a bunch of Zergs and see what
happens. It really helps to feel, not just read about, the problems from the other POV. Regardless, this is
a problem that will vanish after your understanding grows, but it may make a painful bump in the road.
The worst part about the second problem is that due to the inherent nature of learning, the initial period
of growth is always slow and will show little results. A beginning student cannot e ectively comprehend the
nature of what they are seeing because they have not built the mental framework to place it in: to them an
SC game, especially a pro one, is just a series of actions happening for seemingly incomprehensible reasons.
They can't understand their own games, so how could they even begin to relate to one played many levels
higher? The slow growth during this period can easily lead to discouragement and is a stumbling block for
many people; the inability to establish a mental framework is likely the reason why only a small fraction of
SC players can ever get above the level of a d/d+ iccup player."

from the same guide, a quote from iloveoov

"When you play, you have to start off with a mind to turn the game into a rape.""


from "How to Improve" by Ver.

edit - the BW guide, not the one on this forum
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 10 2014 17:07 GMT
#1459
Yeah, one of the reasons I decided not to even post my Umasi case after your claim is that I desperately didn't want to be the tinfoil townie that threw the game by lynching a claimed cop.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
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