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On January 09 2014 05:02 wherebugsgo wrote:
Yamato's attack on iamp would have made sense from a town perspective if and only if it was strongly motivated. It was so weak, however, that I could really only make sense of it from a scum perspective. Do you think a town yamato would expend so little effort on pushing iamp if he truly thought that his "secret read" was so important? I got the impression that he wanted to gauge the reaction of other players to his "idea" and to see what would happen if he pushed iamp. I don't get the impression that he actually strongly believed iamp was ever scum. If he had, as he himself noted that his vote didn't count, I think he would have both revoted and encouraged the rest of town to flip the vote. Do you agree?
felt the same way. especially considering it being yamato
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On January 09 2014 05:05 yamato77 wrote:
WBG, I gauge reactions of the thread as town before voting. Your point is not alignment indicative.
I've seen you as town afk from the thread and come back with reads that you are confident about and very proud of to the point that you call everyone bad and tell them all to sheep you. Here you provided a weak case embedded in layers of spoilers that you clearly didn't care to push.
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also if you were town i think you'd be a lot meaner to everyone accusing you
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On January 09 2014 10:19 justanothertownie wrote:
The problem is thrawn and gumshoe probably aren't scum together. What do you think of thrawn bugs?
Please tell me why you said this.
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Hey gumshoe. Do you want to talk about anything?
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what does "XD" mean in internet speak?
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I never thought Cora was buddying me, it seemed like he was trying to avoid a real conversation. If he was unwilling to attack me it is because I was questioning him and he didn't want that to happen.
So you say i weren't the most spectacular townie
cool i'm town?
wait no you're accusing me atm?
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On January 09 2014 10:59 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2014 10:55 thrawn2112 wrote:
I never thought Cora was buddying me, it seemed like he was trying to avoid a real conversation. If he was unwilling to attack me it is because I was questioning him and he didn't want that to happen.
So you say i weren't the most spectacular townie
cool i'm town?
wait no you're accusing me atm? Bieng unspectacular doesnt make you scum is what i said, it improves your odds though, I never said you were town 0_0 dont twist my words. The thing that makes you scum for certain are your interactions with Cora.
Here is what you said
"Would you say it was weird for Cora to try and buddy you? I mean, no offence but you weren't the most spectacular townie"
In the context of a scum play buddying a town player and being concerned with the skill, thread presence or sheepability of the town player, when you say I wasn't the most spectacular townie, your argument is implying I'm town. Why would Corazon try to buddy a scum mate who would have already been bussing him? I don't know what you're asking because I never thought he was buddying me nor do I see the consequence of that. Your argument is that I wasn't influential enough for Cor to want to buddy me, yet you think he buddied me, so I might be mafia? I will continue this after the next quote..
On January 09 2014 10:59 gumshoe wrote:
Cora is never afraid of an argument, your argument is invalid, besides he did have a conversation with you, and he conducted it very civily in stark contrast to his other engagments, thats the problem.
I don't think you are taking drama into account. Scum Corazon will be mad at townies and that can influence his scum play, he's a very emotional player. I like to think and hope that Corazon knows I don't care about any of the drama from banlist thread and all that, so that may be a reason why he was more civil with me than others.
If you're concerned with the interaction between Corazon and Thrawn the only reason you can be concerned about that is because you want to know if Thrawn is scum. But right now I can't tell if that's what you want, because you have no questions for me besides this irrelevant argument and you don't seem to have read my filter and come to a conclusion about my alignment.
So what is your point?
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Lets talk about this.
[QUOTE]On January 09 2014 08:39 gumshoe wrote:
WOS: Overall I just feel his play is kinda scummy, and while hes active I'm not sensing the typical conviction out of him, or even the good naturedness he exhumes in even dire circumstance as town.
[img]http://i.imgur.com/xCXgmgu.jpg[/img]
Too be honest WOS actually looks more townie than several players in this game who are likely town, my read on him is a gut one ) : going by some games ive played with him. Mainly withcraft, where he established his innocence right off the bat and was the towniest force in the whole game, a role he seemed to enjoy immensely, and basterd mafia where he was neutral but once again came off as a guy having all the fun. He just seems to be a bit more scared/confused/serious this time around.
##Vote:WOS
>>WoS is kinda scummy because of vague irresponsible meta justifications.
>>He actually looks more townie than other players who don't look as townie but are probably town
Can you re-explain these paragraphs?[/url]
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On January 09 2014 11:28 thrawn2112 wrote:Lets talk about this. Show nested quote +On January 09 2014 08:39 gumshoe wrote:
WOS: Overall I just feel his play is kinda scummy, and while hes active I'm not sensing the typical conviction out of him, or even the good naturedness he exhumes in even dire circumstance as town.
Too be honest WOS actually looks more townie than several players in this game who are likely town, my read on him is a gut one ) : going by some games ive played with him. Mainly withcraft, where he established his innocence right off the bat and was the towniest force in the whole game, a role he seemed to enjoy immensely, and basterd mafia where he was neutral but once again came off as a guy having all the fun. He just seems to be a bit more scared/confused/serious this time around.
##Vote:WOS >>WoS is kinda scummy because of vague irresponsible meta justifications. >>He actually looks more townie than other players who don't look as townie but are probably town Can you re-explain these paragraphs?
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On January 09 2014 11:15 justanothertownie wrote:
Bugs said yamato is not confirmed town by coras flip which is absolutely true.
I don't like this post.
If JAT thinks yamato is scum, why isn't he talking about it? If he thinks yamato is town, why is JAT contributing to lowering yamato's town cred?
Jat you accused me pretty directly. I'm here if you want to talk about anything.
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no you haven't read my filter
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On January 09 2014 11:36 gumshoe wrote:
1: Theres is no point buddying with an uninfluential TOWNIE, but there is a point to buddying with an uninfluential scum buddy (making them look good, which works so long as Cora doesnt get lynched, something niether of you were counting on considering you switched to yamato once things got serious against Cora) the point is, it makes no sense for him to buddy you if he was town, unless he was planning on dying in order to throw doubt on you.
2: Ok please dont make me account for banlist drama in my reads T_T
3: Oh I assure you, I KNOW that your scum XD
4: there is no real point to asking questions of you actually, because your scum and your not going to give me a)useful answers b) answers that result in your lynch. Also I have read your filter, and as I said, its unremarkable, but so is Fuba's, Kush's, and even Wos's, I can dive your filter but its not scummier than that of these guys, and yet a couple of you have to be town XD. Your filter makes you a candidate for lynch, your interactions with Cora make you scum.
1. The only thing you want to talk to me, your top scumread about is the possibilty of me being scum, because you claim a scummate was fake-buddying me in order to trick the thread into thinking he was actually buddying me in a scummy attempt to give me town points? No, I'm not taking any of that seriously.
2. Yes you need to. The only thing you want to talk to me about is whether or not Corazon was buddying me. I give you a very good reason of why (although I disagree about him actually buddying me) he was being more civil with me than with others, and you choose to ignore it.
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On January 09 2014 11:36 gumshoe wrote:
4: there is no real point to asking questions of you actually, because your scum and your not going to give me a)useful answers b) answers that result in your lynch. Also I have read your filter, and as I said, its unremarkable, but so is Fuba's, Kush's, and even Wos's, I can dive your filter but its not scummier than that of these guys, and yet a couple of you have to be town XD. Your filter makes you a candidate for lynch, your interactions with Cora make you scum.
I have no idea what you're doing. You're not going to talk to me because I'm scum, you KNOW I'm scum, you're already voting for me, etc.
But,
"I can dive your filter but its not scummier than that of these guys, and yet a couple of you have to be town XD."
So... after all that big talk about how sure you are of me being mafia, my filter is inconclusive? You say it's unremarkable without ever giving examples or explaining what you're talking about and that's why I think you're making this up. Why is it unremarkable? Do you know that I've talked with many people in the game? That I've been involved in many of the main discussions? That the thread was even focused on me for a small amount of time? Do you know that when people were wanting to policy lynch kush and Corazon, I spent a lot of time trying to steer all the policy lynchers onto Corazon? If you knew any of this, or found any of it alignment indicative you would have mentioned it. You aren't trying to figure out my alignment.
and then,
"your interactions with Cora make you scum"
I don't know how that can actually be your main point against me.
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On January 09 2014 11:50 gumshoe wrote:
3: No I fucking dont, keep that shiit out of here, this is such a dumb argument T_T also you cant have your cake and eat it to, either you dont think he was buddying you, or you think he was bieng nice to you cause banlist drama, the fact that you feel the need to defend yourself either way belies your need for security as a scum player.
This is the main reason for your top scumread. This is the part of the game that you have put the most emphasis on. You claimed that this point "makes me scum" so yes, you actually do need to consider my response. This is something that should makes or break the read you claim to have. It is not a dumb argument, you asked why Cora wasn't being hostile towards me and it's because I've made efforts to get along with him while many people haven't lately. That's a good explanation! You can't just pretend it shouldn't effect your read because it's "dumb."
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If you're town then reason you think my play has been so shitty is because I only played shitty for a few hours and you were afk most of the rest of the cycle. I think I was actually a net positive for town. I did end up voting incorrectly but I spent a lot of time steering people towards corazon and attacking other lynches that I don't think would have gone as well.
You're resorting to ad hominem instead of providing examples of why you think my filter looks bad, when it honestly doesn't.
Why do you say kush is scum?
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Corazon and I were in BttB, which was a shitfest where almost everyone was mad at everyone. Then the banlist crap happened when many people from and not from that game got into a fight with Corazon, which I avoided. He's cohosting a game I'm running soon.
This is so dumb because even if you can somehow prove that Corazon had no reason to buddy a town-me it doesn't help you at all. This is the main point of your case and your point is so convoluted, wifomy, and stupid that I'm not taking any of it seriously.
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calling someone scummy for wanting to get high more than they want to play mafia is ridiculous
Please answer me about kush.
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