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On January 08 2014 13:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am pretty sure Corazon is mafia too. I prefer him over Yamato. ##unvote ##vote Corazon | ||
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On January 08 2014 13:35 Corazon wrote: @Thrawn I think you two have had decent contributions to the scumhunt and frankly, I see your back-and-forth b/w you and Rayn to be town on town. I also would hate to lynch Rayn D1. It would just be bad play overall, barring a scum claim from him. Your assessment of the fight is completely off. I decided rayn was town a long time ago and only wanted to lynch him for like 5 minutes, most of it was him attacking me. When you decided to play thread cop the argument had already died down and I think both of us had at least resolved not to press the issue further. Also I haven't really had that great of contributions yet, especially compared to the standard you held me to during BttB so I don't like that part of your post either. "I also would hate to lynch Rayn D1. It would just be bad play overall, barring a scum claim from him" I'm not sure who you're even addressing here or what advice you're trying to give. Sure, if rayn "scum claims" I'll lynch him... you thought lynching scum claimers is a strategy only you are privy to? | ||
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On January 08 2014 13:52 Corazon wrote: Then stop fucking lying about every single post I make. Why did you say I had made enough quality contributions towards scumhunting to be considered so town that you don't need to worry about my alignment at all during D1? | ||
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On January 08 2014 13:56 Corazon wrote: Because you are playing exactly like you are as town. Paranoid and changing your reads every 5 minutes. That's not the original reason you gave for excusing me from scrutiny. You said I had made quality contributions towards scumhunting and you're being asked to explain what made you type those words. | ||
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On January 08 2014 13:57 wherebugsgo wrote: As for Cora, if he routinely plays like this (something that I will try to confirm for myself later, probably early tomorrow when I wake up) then he's probably not scum since there are ways one can justify his play from a town perspective. It's hard, but doable. However he's still a reasonable alternate choice if something drastic changes with regards to yamato. This is a pretty tame variation of what you'd normally get but the attitude is the same. I have known him to fudge his explanations as town to avoid suspicion and other "scummy" stuff like that so you need to approach with caution. TBH I kinda expected him to blow up at some of the things people have already said, so I need to read some of his scum games to see if the more passive, instead of hostile, woe-is-me attitude fits his scum play. | ||
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On January 08 2014 14:11 WaveofShadow wrote: I know I wasn't asked Rayn, but I agree with him actually. Well, sort of? Probably wouldn't lynch you D1 at least not in this game (though that doesn't apply to every game necessarily). The problem with that explanation isn't that it's illogical, because it makes sense. The problem is that it's a standard, cut and paste answer that can be thrown in any time a scum player wants to justify not pushing a certain lynch. As town you can still hold that opinion that rayn shouldn't be lynched on D1 but you should be able to form a read based on D1 play. In other words, "lynching X is bad on D1 so I'm not gonna worry about him" is a scummy substitute for a read | ||
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On January 08 2014 14:18 WaveofShadow wrote: This actually may very well strike home with me a little. Do you think Cora is playing me purposefully rather than blowing this up further? I know he has been doing his best to change his attitude outside of games, but to me this looks like exactly the kind of shit people get pissed off at him every game for. I'm a bit confused. Are you saying that you don't think he was as hostile as town Corazon would have been? But you don't know how to reconcile this judgement with how he may or may not have changed after recent drama? If you are, then sadly that's not really a productive conversation we can have out in the open so we'll just have to decide for ourselves. | ||
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On January 08 2014 14:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: If i am generally not considered to be in top 2 of players in this game stating that i should be policy lynched on D3 if i am alive is a way of saying "i refuse to give my opinions on rayn and i will already set up an arbitary read on him regardless of what he does - a read that becomes "valid" at some point of the game". that's my point here On January 08 2014 14:16 thrawn2112 wrote: The problem with that explanation isn't that it's illogical, because it makes sense. The problem is that it's a standard, cut and paste answer that can be thrown in any time a scum player wants to justify not pushing a certain lynch. As town you can still hold that opinion that rayn shouldn't be lynched on D1 but you should be able to form a read based on D1 play. In other words, "lynching X is bad on D1 so I'm not gonna worry about him" is a scummy substitute for a read I don't mind that he said based on its merit as a policy because that's not town/mafia...... it's scummy because it's a substitute for giving an actual read maybe if he said: "I think rayn is a little scummy, but I don't like lynching him on D1" then I might say Cor's town even if I disagreed, but as it is there's no read to go along with it. | ||
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Where in his filter can you not find a coherent thought process? | ||
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On January 08 2014 16:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: yamato and thrawn you still around? yeah | ||
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On January 08 2014 17:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: thrawn comments on WoS and iamp cases? The points you brought up about WoS are outweighed by the effort put into the rest of his filter. I'm not sure what the case against iamp is other than him being lazy and not explaining his reasons. That doesn't make me think iamp's scum at all because town iamp likes his short and lazy posts. But in this game, the case is that he's slightly less coherent? I don't see a big enough distinction between his play in this game and in his past town games to accept this read. | ||
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On January 09 2014 02:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: I want to policy lynch. kushmasta or Corazon, i don't care which one. We lose the game if they live even if they are town. ##unvote no i think kush is town and tbh he's not annoying or disruptive or anything. half of the "anti town" shit he says I can see coming before you even poke at him... you guys make it so easy for him to troll you | ||
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On January 09 2014 03:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't know because he has not been here. The difference is i expect gumshoe, fuba and CC to actually play mafia later. I don't expect kush and Cora play mafia, it's pretty self-evident from their posts. of the two of them which do you think is more likely to not play as town and scum | ||
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On January 09 2014 03:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Both are equally bad. One refuses to read the thread and the other one refuses to contribute and tells people to back off from any case before even reading it. I think the difference is that kush and I played in the same newbies and I have seen all of his bs through the past couple years, and I know that if he's town he can be harmless and even helpful as long as you don't bait him into trolling you. | ||
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