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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 07 2014 04:04 GMT
#769
Yeah that's actually true. So, both of you, could you give your reads on Coag/Slam/kush?
And yamato please do not call Slam town because you are able to read what he writes, i don't think that's a good reason to call someone town.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 07 2014 04:08 GMT
#772
I took my vote off from you yamato. If someone hammers you before discussion they claim scum.
Hopeless explain how does that make Coagulation mafia over kushmasta and slam who have similar inconsistancies in their reads? Like, kush literally gave out reads that were based on something the person never did in this game.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 07 2014 04:19 GMT
#778
On January 04 2014 12:18 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
dont hammer gumshoe at least until tmrw.

I agree yam is not his usual awesome gosu townie self, so im scummy on him.

Im sure rayn and slam are town. Idk about sent, didnt like his entrance it was scummy but hes slowed down and had some ok posts. Hopeless hasnt done much but its more thsn when hes maf.

And gum has had some scummy stuff like piggy backing off yamato bringing up my opener and never following it up.kush and coag... null obv.

So that leaves in order from scum to town

gum
yam
kush / coag / sent
hopless
slam
rayn
me

Idk where thrawn lies in this yet. Yay lists froom phone


Does anyone think this is WIFOM?

Why was yamato not shot on N1? If i was mafia in anyone's shoes in this game (not counting me/yamato) and i knew rayn & yamato were town i would assume rayn will get protected in case of medic. Just because he accused thrawn and even if my team shoots him thrawn will get lynched for it most likely on D2.

Why the fuck would anyone shoot Mr.CC over yamato if yamato is town?

Especially wanting kushmasta, Coagulation and Alakaslam to contribute on this one. Hopeless will ofc say "because yamato is scum" and yamato will say "WIFOM or whatever i was useless" .
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 07 2014 04:28 GMT
#779
Because let's assume yamato is town. Town has mislynched on D1. There is no reason to assume Cheesecake is blue (or is there?).

Cheesecake has no read on thrawn. Cheesecake thinks yamato is mafia, he is his top scumread. This would imply Cheesecake is on the wrong track, hell he can be even blamed on D2 for hammering gumshoe.

So again, if you think yamato is town, why did mafia shoot a person who was on a wrong track on D1 and did not have a scumread on the flipped scum? Why did mafia let yamato - a possible town leader - alive on N1? If this is in fact the case and this is WIFOM, why is mafia not bringing this up to mislynch yamato? This is a reasonable assumption, why is mafia not using that as their advantage if yamato is town.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 07 2014 04:37 GMT
#781
On January 07 2014 13:33 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2014 13:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Because let's assume yamato is town. Town has mislynched on D1. There is no reason to assume Cheesecake is blue (or is there?).

Cheesecake has no read on thrawn. Cheesecake thinks yamato is mafia, he is his top scumread. This would imply Cheesecake is on the wrong track, hell he can be even blamed on D2 for hammering gumshoe.

So again, if you think yamato is town, why did mafia shoot a person who was on a wrong track on D1 and did not have a scumread on the flipped scum? Why did mafia let yamato - a possible town leader - alive on N1? If this is in fact the case and this is WIFOM, why is mafia not bringing this up to mislynch yamato? This is a reasonable assumption, why is mafia not using that as their advantage if yamato is town.

Just for the record, Hopeless has used this logic multiple times now.

I don't think it's necessarily fault logic but it's no use of discussing it with you as you'll obviously disagree.
I wanna know what kush, coag and slam think about this.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 07 2014 04:46 GMT
#784
What i was trying to say is if Hopeless + X is mafia and that's their game plan why does everyone else who could be X say Hopeless is mafia?

X = slam,coag,kush
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 07 2014 04:54 GMT
#786
I would like to see discussion between people that are not me/CC/Sent. I don't care much about yamato <-> Hopeless argument because it's clear why both of those people think each other is scum.

More interested in everything else.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 07 2014 04:57 GMT
#787
Unless yamato want's to accuse me of being scum of course.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 07 2014 06:33 GMT
#793
So slam, why are you avoiding the discussion proposed?
Which one of kush/Coag is mafia and why?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 07 2014 06:53 GMT
#795
The point is the "confirmed townies" are leaning on yamato being scum over Hopeless, whether or not you agree with it. Now it's time to find another scum in you/Coag/kush, because both of Hopeless/yamato are not mafia.

Whichever of Hopeless/yamato we lynch that affects the next lynch, and right now you are refusing to contribute to Coag/kush so you look pretty bad. So could you give actual reasons for one of them being mafia over the other one? Make a scum case and a town case because if you are town and you think Hopeless is scum they can't both be scum.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 07 2014 07:03 GMT
#797
On January 07 2014 15:58 yamato77 wrote:
You can't put "confirmed townies" in quotes like that and bitch at me for not just acquiescing to your confirmedness. It's just not cool.

Why do you post shit like this instead of something useful?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 07 2014 07:13 GMT
#799
Slam you are saying you find yamato town because he agrees with you a lot. What exactly does he agree with you on besides the scumread on Hopeless?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 07 2014 07:18 GMT
#800
kush and Coag: Which one of yamato & Hopeless do you think is mafia and which one is town. Make a scum case and a town case please. Or do you think both of them are scum/town?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 07 2014 07:25 GMT
#805
Night kill analysis is never WIFOM because in every single game scum night kill who they do for a reason. Saying there is no way to analyse why mafia killed someone is entirely incorrect.

So why do you think mafia hit MR.Cheesecake. There is always a reason why mafia kills who they kill, what do you think was their reason?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 07 2014 07:28 GMT
#806
On January 07 2014 14:03 yamato77 wrote:
You know my read of everyone in the game. I will go through those three again later after some rest.

And instead of doing this you bash me for not doing scumhunting while that's exactly what i am doing and you are just posting shit like:
On January 07 2014 15:58 yamato77 wrote:
You can't put "confirmed townies" in quotes like that and bitch at me for not just acquiescing to your confirmedness. It's just not cool.

On January 07 2014 16:25 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2014 16:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 07 2014 15:58 yamato77 wrote:
You can't put "confirmed townies" in quotes like that and bitch at me for not just acquiescing to your confirmedness. It's just not cool.

Why do you post shit like this instead of something useful?

I've posted plenty of useful things. Do your own scumhunting instead of badgering other people to do it for you.

So if you are town please cut the crap and do what you promised to do.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 07 2014 11:47 GMT
#809
Vote: kushm4sta
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 07 2014 12:10 GMT
#811
This is your read on Alakaslam:
"He has said stuff that i can understand and i think his scumplay would look like this."
This is not a read.

This is your read on Coag (notice no posts from Coag between these changes):
+ Show Spoiler +
On January 05 2014 13:18 kushm4sta wrote:
coag
There is no amount of effort shown this game, which leans scummy to me. It seems like in his town games, he makes an effort to show you he is town. He doesn't do that at all here.
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2014 10:53 Coagulation wrote:
guis dont ignore me. say my name.

He loves to do this too scummy to be scum shit as scum.
Conclusion: SCUM

Coag makes his big post.
On January 05 2014 17:06 kushm4sta wrote:
lol coag I'm so readable. You just haven't seen my scum game recently to know how bad it looks. but yeah coag looks pretty town and I agree with his reads.

On January 05 2014 18:25 kushm4sta wrote:
coag is actually super town for realizing this.
coag:
Show nested quote +
alakaslam has been lurker hunting the entire game and thats a red flag. scum like to focus on lurker discussion a lot. gonna fos on slam. likely scum.

this is dead on

This is btw dead wrong.
When i ask about it kush does not change his read on Coag but that makes Alakaslam more scummy..
On January 06 2014 02:33 kushm4sta wrote:
i thought coag's post was really insightful actually. his ratio of insight to effort pwns everyone else in this game. that is of why i fear he may be busing.
I see it like this:
If alaka is town, which is possible i guess but I doubt it, coag is town.
If alaka is scum, 30% chance coag is busing.

From supertown -> bussing.
On January 06 2014 09:00 kushm4sta wrote:
honestly i don't think coag would taint the sanctity of his town badge

And back to town.
On January 07 2014 01:16 kushm4sta wrote:
i'm not ready to swear coag is town but I think he's town.

On January 07 2014 03:09 kushm4sta wrote:
coag -alaka scumteam calling it now

Into scum. Notice that Coagulation does not make a single alignment indicative post between here, other than votes for Alakaslam, something kushmasta wanted him to do. That should be a town tell.

The whole read is full of shit and makes zero sense.


This is your read on yamato:
kush: "yamato is town because of reason X".
rayn: "point out to me where yamato did X"
kush: "you are right, there is no X"
Then you call yamato scummy for various reasons.
But in the end he is town. No reasoning given.
This is not a read, this is bullshit.

This is your read on Hopeless:
You point out many stuff you think Hopeless has done that is really scummy in your opinion.
Conclusion: Hopeless is a lynchbait and town.
This is not a read, this is bullshit.

And that's it. That's why you are scum.
Your reads are based on nothing, nothing at all. They are full of contradictions and change with no reasoning.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 07 2014 12:23 GMT
#813
From this:
On January 05 2014 13:18 kushm4sta wrote:
hopeless
His position on gumshoe throughout d1 makes no sense.
First he soft defends him.
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2014 09:54 Hopeless1der wrote:
On January 04 2014 09:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 04 2014 09:38 Hopeless1der wrote:
On January 04 2014 09:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am pretty sure gumshoe is mafia. Nothing he says is making sense atm.

no, but you did just claim cop for questionable reasons.

And that has to do with anything how? Are you discrediting me or are you calling me scum or are you agreeing with me?
What exactly are you saying here?

im saying gumshoe not making sense could be because hes confused, not necessarily mafia. You're totes town

To this:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2014 10:17 Hopeless1der wrote:
On January 04 2014 10:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If he does not think i am mafia i have no reason to lie about why i claimed in the first place, which i stated was not because of pressure. Either way he is bullshitting.

I'll be honest, I didnt read very closely the first time around. gumshoe is a good lynch. but, BETTER THAN RNG? I DUNNO.

Suddenly Gumshoe is a good lynch for no reason other than he didn't read before. I would expect a townie hopeless to have like a sentence explaining what aspect of the argument convinced him.

Otherwise there has been a total lack of content from hopeless. He's done some mechanics posts and some troll posts, but his scumhunting is practically non existent. I remember his towngame as having a similar length filter but being more focused on logical scumhunting.

Conclusion: SCUM


Into this:
On January 07 2014 02:30 kushm4sta wrote:
hopeless can you explain in better detail why you decided to vote gumshoe?

[QUOTE]On January 07 2014 02:38 Hopeless1der wrote:
This is what "changed my mind" about gumshoe. Accusing rayn of waiting until he was "under fire" and "reacting to pressure" to claim parity cop. I had only skimmed his posts and understood he couldn't understand why rayn claimed the way he did. When I actually sat down and read things through, I thought it was scummy.

Also, who actually thought an RNG lynch would get pushed? i did that for the hell of it because Slam wanted things to happen
[quote]
[QUOTE]On January 07 2014 02:46 kushm4sta wrote:
i tihnk i might have just had that moment when i realized my scumreads are shit[/QUOTE]
Hopeless' stance on gumshoe makes him mafia -> Hopeless' stance on gumshoe makes him town.

Guess who does not read filters as mafia. kushmasta.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 07 2014 12:24 GMT
#814
EBWOP:
From this:
On January 05 2014 13:18 kushm4sta wrote:
hopeless
His position on gumshoe throughout d1 makes no sense.
First he soft defends him.
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2014 09:54 Hopeless1der wrote:
On January 04 2014 09:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 04 2014 09:38 Hopeless1der wrote:
On January 04 2014 09:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am pretty sure gumshoe is mafia. Nothing he says is making sense atm.

no, but you did just claim cop for questionable reasons.

And that has to do with anything how? Are you discrediting me or are you calling me scum or are you agreeing with me?
What exactly are you saying here?

im saying gumshoe not making sense could be because hes confused, not necessarily mafia. You're totes town

To this:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2014 10:17 Hopeless1der wrote:
On January 04 2014 10:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If he does not think i am mafia i have no reason to lie about why i claimed in the first place, which i stated was not because of pressure. Either way he is bullshitting.

I'll be honest, I didnt read very closely the first time around. gumshoe is a good lynch. but, BETTER THAN RNG? I DUNNO.

Suddenly Gumshoe is a good lynch for no reason other than he didn't read before. I would expect a townie hopeless to have like a sentence explaining what aspect of the argument convinced him.

Otherwise there has been a total lack of content from hopeless. He's done some mechanics posts and some troll posts, but his scumhunting is practically non existent. I remember his towngame as having a similar length filter but being more focused on logical scumhunting.

Conclusion: SCUM


Into this:
On January 07 2014 02:30 kushm4sta wrote:
hopeless can you explain in better detail why you decided to vote gumshoe?

On January 07 2014 02:38 Hopeless1der wrote:
This is what "changed my mind" about gumshoe. Accusing rayn of waiting until he was "under fire" and "reacting to pressure" to claim parity cop. I had only skimmed his posts and understood he couldn't understand why rayn claimed the way he did. When I actually sat down and read things through, I thought it was scummy.

Also, who actually thought an RNG lynch would get pushed? i did that for the hell of it because Slam wanted things to happen

On January 07 2014 02:46 kushm4sta wrote:
i tihnk i might have just had that moment when i realized my scumreads are shit

Hopeless' stance on gumshoe makes him mafia -> Hopeless' stance on gumshoe makes him town.

Guess who does not read filters as mafia. kushmasta.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 07 2014 12:27 GMT
#815
This game is fucking shit because nobody is making any sense..
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