EPTHe recognizes that VE hits some of the same triggers as you do - lack of activity at lynch time, specifically. But he doesn't look harder into VE. He's tunneled into you. I don't love that, but I don't think I dislike it in a "toad looks scummy" way, more in a "I wish that toad would also tunnel everyone else, because he's just going full bore after one guy pretty much and wasn't around for D1 so that's not a lot of toadthoughts"
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He recognizes that VE hits some of the same triggers as you do - lack of activity at lynch time, specifically. But he doesn't look harder into VE. He's tunneled into you. I don't love that, but I don't think I dislike it in a "toad looks scummy" way, more in a "I wish that toad would also tunnel everyone else, because he's just going full bore after one guy pretty much and wasn't around for D1 so that's not a lot of toadthoughts" | ||
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On January 25 2014 12:32 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm not seeing the connection, tbh.Your reasons for finding Toad towny in this post remind me of the reasons why I find VE towny. What say you to that? If you mean because you're townie on VE for conspiracy theories, I don't think that translates. Toad is less conspiracy theory and more...jumping straight into things, convinced, and PUSHING them. I think, honestly, otherwise, you don't actually have good reasons to think VE is town. I think it relies very very heavily on both talking about sandroba, except that you are both saying the same FACTS. Sandroba being a lazy scum is known. Apparently sandroba not caring about pressure is KNOWN. You're not both taking in information and spitting out these same weird thoughts or anything, you're mostly just both saying "the sun is hot." You have a minor point on VE's ragequitting, how it's honest, more likely town, but you ask whether he ragequits as scum. If you believe the answers to that question (marv said yes, dunno if anyone else chimed in), then...all that ragequit jazz is null now. alktjghaelkteahtea. Whatever. I don't see why you think the reasoning on the two are similar. And I don't think you have good points about VE. Sry. | ||
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 O NOT TRUST THIS CASE IN THE LEAST*.I have played with scumToad, and I feel like USUALLY he gets himself caught trying to do something tricky, or clever, or fun, but that was in themed games. I don't see the scumToad that I've read translating, even in a vanilla game, to O NOT TRUST MY CASE* ALSO HERE IS MY CASE.At least to me, the toad that just blunders into replacing and is part wrong on some timings, is making accusations based on very little, whatever, is PROBABLY town. It's the WAY he's making his case and the WAY he's tunneling you that I attribute to him being townie. | ||
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WoS, I'm actually interested in your right-now-up-to-the-minute stock ticker read of VE. I see stuff like this Prome's long case on VE (not gonna copy it here) andhttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439137¤tpage=51#1002 Some of it is fairly decent---he;s right in that VE around the lynch looked crappy and he didn't do a whole lot in the day, but then he is MASSIVLEY hypocritical with the stuff that compares the two of us: Ultimately when gonzaw said it was VE's 'trial by fire' he has the right of it---his actions and behaviours don't always quite line up but if he doesn't show up to steer us in the right direction (one way or another) he is going to be lynched today. I for one would be very glad to talk with him to figure him out and prove things to the thread once and for all. The only way I will be voting VE today is if he gives up entirely; until then I consider him town. I KNOW THAT THESE THINGS DON'T MAKE VE SCUM but You admit that VE has some stuff that, at the very least, looks objectively scummy from D1. You note that a giving up VE gets your vote, and that he can show his colors by showing up to steer things in the right direction. Do you believe he has taken control of the wheel? Given/not given up? | ||
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On January 25 2014 13:19 WaveofShadow wrote: If you don't want to go through his filter, ain't no thang. But could you give quick, dirtay, thoughts on marv? Alright fuck it. I didn't want to release this info to thread in case scum tries their own version of last-minute shenannies (or a bad town version of it) but I won't be there for lynch tomorrow either. Once again, letting you guys know way in advance so if you all switch to me for whatever reason there won't be a damn thing I can do to defend myself. Do with this info what you will, people. Make shit cases on how I'm scum avoiding lynch (though honestly I don't see how that would fly considering it will be very easy to lynch me at deadline if people desire it), eliminate me last second or don't. My activity will also likely be sporadic tomorrow until my usual evening time. Are there any requests/suggestions for me? you all know my reads already I believe. | ||
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YOU MAY STILL BE THE MILKSHAKE OF MY DESPAIR, BUT I AM LACTOSE TOLERANT | ||
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On January 25 2014 13:58 WaveofShadow wrote: I don't think I ever asked people questions just as bait, or ... I probably have, but not at all in the way you seem to mean? No. Even the worst of my stupid questions I ask 90+% of the time because I really want to see the answers. lol you're lucky that I don't even consider that a bait because I was doing that shit anyway, otherwise I might be very cross with you right now. BESIDES. A MILKSHAKE CANNOT BE MAD | ||
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Cooking + eating + any family time + cleanup can easily be 5 hours. | ||
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On January 25 2014 14:12 gonzaw wrote: I don't even want to see any particular answer.Austin, you have to realize that for people to answer those questions they have to spend time researching them, etc. For instance, you telling Wave to check my filter as if I was confirmed scum. My filter is 17 pages long. Do you REALLY want Wave to read every single post of that, analyzing each and every single one of them, and saying "Ehmm, okay, if gonzaw was scum, would this individual post make any sense or be interesting in any way?". He'd basically spend 1-2 minutes with every post of mine trying to see if he can come up with some wacky conclusion you want him to reach. I have 335 posts this game. 1-2 minutes for every post means he'll waste 335-670 minutes doing your little "exercise". Do you really think Wave spending up to 10 hours trying to answering your question is productive? No matter what "answers" you want to see? No it's not austin. I think people probably are not reading your filter as if you were mafia. I think MAYBE if they do that, it triggers a weird thought. Perhaps. Perhaps not. I don't care if he skims, reads 10 posts, reads 0 posts and just bullshits about how you're pushing this thing that could have led to a mafia victory, or you're posting a lot and he feels like you covered up x or y that was good analysis, whatever. It's more just looking for skimming with a specific viewpoint, one that is odd and you probably don't have, in mind. And I want to see the outcome of that, in someone that isn't me's words. This is better for postgame, or in my shadow QT if those are released post BOTH games, or ... never. Something. VE said he was frying porkchops, but he also indicated that the pork chops were for dinner and the dinner was for family. I didn't get the impression he was at his computer then fried pork chops then said "THESE ARE FRIED" and returned to his computer. That sounds like a fire hazard anyway | ||
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On January 25 2014 05:06 VisceraEyes wrote: Have you ever prepared a meal for an entire family and consumed it and cleaned up in LESS than 5 hours? If so hat's off to you I guess, but it takes time for me to do shit. The oil was heating up at the time of my vote. What do you want me to say? | ||
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On January 26 2014 04:18 gonzaw wrote: I will not. Apparently there's an epidemic of cooking going around, and I have caught the bug.Will somebody be here at the deadline? You know....maybe new vote shenannigans will happen (no promises though) | ||
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On January 26 2014 04:19 VisceraEyes wrote: I don't actually want you to post anything, but wtf does your shadow QT look like if you're going to be apathetic already on D2?If you want. Am I going to take it the wrong way? Be prepared for me to take it the wrong way. You're not just town or scum, you're town or scum and sharing your thoughts on the game with someone this game. I think that makes it markedly different than any normal game you could ragequit or be apathetic in. You're not coaching, but you're...at least opening up your thoughts to someone. But you're content to just...give up? | ||
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On January 26 2014 04:25 VisceraEyes wrote: I think you're a likely lynch and I've come around on wanting to lynch you.Yeah man, because I'm not willing to put in the (alarmingly high) amount of effort it's going to take to convince you guys that me cooking porkchops is not alignment indicative. I'm not giving up - I'm still looking for scum. But I have no illusions about the probability of my lynch based on my play this phase and last. What about you? Do YOU think I'm not a likely lynch today? It's a matter of priorities. My first priority is NOT to stay alive. That's scum's first priority. My first priority is to find scum. And I've been trying, but I get shit on every time I try. EVERY TIME. Can you not see how this is frustrating to me? Can you not understand why that would make me so angry I want to quit the game? Because this is a Shadow game and part of something larger, I'm not going to quit the game though. But I WILL accept my fate, because everyone else has. I ... I dunno. Maybe I'm odd and I just don't care when my reads get shit on at times because I'm used to often having wrong/odd reads. But either you're RIGHT, and who cares if someone shits on you, or you're wrong because you're not seeing something they're pointing out, so who cares if they shit on you because they have reason to, or you're wrong and people are being assholes. In which case it's on them, not on you. I dunno, I just don't like this and I'm on board with towns lynching people who martyr/give up/"kill me, you'll be sorry, but it's fine cuz we're ahead" I have a hard time stomaching lynching you off that, but it seems better than having Risen in LXIII and you here (if town) and other townies just go "yeah, lynch me, then you'll see i'm town." | ||
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I read back over your filter. I read back over Hapa's. Hapa Stuff Hapa may have wanted to kill WoS today, but he was on your nuts D1. A ton of his D1 is back and forth with you and suspicions on you. HE DID CHANGE HIS MIND. Come N1, he didn't post on you as much, but he appears to be less certain on you, trollpost but also indicates that he doesn't think it's an awful idea to lynch you or find you scummy - + Show Spoiler + Your Filter I was townie on you D1. But if I'm LOOKING for strange stuff, your reads/votes stuff come off a little janky. You're suspicious of Prome. With reasons. With posts. Also somewhat suspicious of Foolishness, sometimes toying with suspicion on HF. You've got stuff like this: On January 23 2014 02:57 VisceraEyes wrote: I don't know man, the catchup posts seemed disingenuous, but I'm afraid I'm biased. Based on the posts I'm more willing to admit that I could be wrong about Prome, and yes the alternatives are looking better. The thing about Prome is that there's no POP to his posts - when he's town, when he thinks he's found something suspicious something clicks and his confidence shoots up and you can see it in his posts. I didn't get that feeling when he was posting about you. But again, I'm not sure how much of it is my own bias speaking. Foolishness/Sandroba/HolyFlare are three targets who are, in my opinion, well equipped to prove their worth D1 if they're town. That none of them has been able to do this is troubling to me. that indicates you might be worried about Sandroba as well, but you never fully vocalize that for a long time. You're start bugging prome about sandroba shortly before the lynch: On January 23 2014 07:38 VisceraEyes wrote: Oh man and he comes in in the eleventh hour too. Unreal. Prome is sandroba scum for that meta thing? Is anyone scum to you? On January 23 2014 07:41 VisceraEyes wrote: You think prome is scummy, or are pushing that, yes yes yes. But you've barely said a word about sandroba yourself, AT ALL. You say he can prove his worth, but you never even add the other half of that at any point in the day", he has/hasn't proven his worth. What ranks him higher than sandroba who is A) a lurker and B) trying to get you lynched? Is it just the fact that he's set to be lynched? Even BEFORE the voteswap at 10 minutes, there were posts on sandroba. Foolishness's comments on Sandroba got poked at. Sand caught a couple vote/unvotes iirc. And i KNOW you can be asking prome those questions from a townie standpoint, but it feels awkward for you to be bringing up sand without ever speaking YOUR mind on sand, despite, from your earlier post, you probably having a clear scumread on him for not proving himself. I dunno. I don't like those sand posts even though I know they can be read from both sides. I know this post doesn't go anywhere, but I think if you want to vote VE for inactivity/giving up, that's a policy matter. If you want to say he's mafia for his posts, you can do that too. But some people are overconnecting the activity/quitting to scumminess, imo, and they need to find some real justification in his filter for votes. | ||
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