I just don't fully buy marv's suspicions and his vote swapping on D1 at the deadline and marv making a comment about voting your strongest scum suspect triggers me poking around that. It's not 1:1, with "but foolishness was your strongest suspect and yet you voted sandroba." That's not valid. But i think that marv's D1 is wonky and his strongest suspect comment set me off.

This is nonsensical.

marvellosity

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January 30 2014 15:30 GMT

#2615

god I hate being alone in a thread when I'm at work.

marvellosity

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January 30 2014 15:56 GMT

#2616

Prome, austin explained well enough in one of his posts why calling the D1 votes "scummy" just isn't right. You really need to flesh that out asap.

On January 29 2014 20:28 Promethelax wrote:
We lynch austin tomorrow. This is not even a debate. He had a scummy switch to sand d1 he has played under the radar. He was the only vote not on foolishness d3. Austin's behaviour has been scummy the only reason he wasn't scum is that he and fool were not scum together.

How does the bolded relate to the last part of the sentence just before? Why is it scummy anyway? imo the only thing potentially scummy about the vote is that he left it so late in the cycle to get biking.
Particularly the really weak justification for austin+Fool not being mafia together is unbelievably convenient now that Fool has flipped town.

marvellosity

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January 30 2014 16:01 GMT

#2617

Toad, I can't find anything in your filter that shows me the basis of your austin townread. It seems to be a default. What gives? Why am I default lynch after Prome almost and there's not a lot of other consideration?

marvellosity

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January 30 2014 16:02 GMT

#2618

One problem with a possible austin/toad team is that it would be an amazingly ballsy play for austin to have defended Toad like he has all game if they were team-mates. Urgle burgle.

marvellosity

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January 30 2014 16:09 GMT

#2620

kita can shimmer all he likes, i'll look at things in the order I think matters. In fairly obvious fashion, digging around at people will make kita's question easier to answer

The reasons for Prome's Wave townread is the thing I'm talking about.

marvellosity

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January 30 2014 16:10 GMT

#2621

Mainly because making sure today's lynch = right is more important than lining up potential partners atm.

marvellosity

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January 30 2014 16:11 GMT

#2623

There is no list.

marvellosity

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January 30 2014 16:12 GMT

#2624

I threw it in the bin in a casual manner, as if I weren't even bothering to aim for the bin, but it went straight in the middle anyway.

marvellosity

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January 30 2014 16:13 GMT

#2625

On January 31 2014 01:10 austinmcc wrote:

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Why do WoS and Toad find prome scummy? Do you agree with them/either of them?

That can go on the list, please. If you're not mafia, one of them is, and maybe this is a spot where one of them looks funky.

You've done well at listening at the funky things Toad has done this game up to this point haven't you dear.

marvellosity

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January 30 2014 16:25 GMT

#2627

On January 31 2014 01:19 austinmcc wrote:

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I don't know if you read thug life or not. I dunno how closely you read LXIII while hosting.

But I have had very good luck recently calling people town, often for strange reasons, and being correct. In most of those cases, it's not about the sum total of what happens, it's about a specific thing or couple things someone did, how they posted.

I'm going to trust I'm right for now on this one. You don't have to. But at the very least, this is something that has proven to work out, on the whole, well for me, so I'll stick with it until it doesn't.

If we end up lynching Prome and he's mafia + you're town, we're gonna be in trouble at LYLO if you won't consider that your funky shit can't be wrong sometimes.
The ironic thing being if you're mafia it makes Toad more likely to be town.

And yes, I know you do this kinda funky stuff as town. For 95%+ of players a defence of someone like you've been doing reeks of "I know his alignment", but with you, not so much.

marvellosity

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January 30 2014 16:29 GMT

#2630

On January 31 2014 01:25 austinmcc wrote:
And if nothing else, kita has posted a "compelling" bit on sandroba's mafia play that implicates prome, or negates any argument that prome isn't mafia b/c sandroba.

Foolishness has posted on prome.

VE posted on prome.

There are a variety of D1/N1 things on prome.

If prome is mafia (fo sho), then toad and I can't BOTH be scum. So either I'm TOWN, and maybe wrong on toad, but legitimately think I'm right, or I'm MAFIA, and toad is town, and so I'm right even if it's for stupid reasons, and it should just make me look scummy.

But we're not both scum.

Mmhmm. I will go back and read all these things. That definitely comes before any combinatrics shizzle.

marvellosity

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January 30 2014 16:32 GMT

#2631

I'm getting this feeling that Prome is the reason everything has been off since D1. That kita stuff on sandroba just totally shits on the best reason that Prome was town.

marvellosity

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January 30 2014 16:40 GMT

#2634

Yes, the kita question is absolutely valid. But I want to be sure I'm sure on today's lynch before I go about doing that. And whether other people trust me or not is literally 100% irrelevant.

Think about it from my perspective. Some dude is telling me not to worry so much about who I want to lynch today because some dudes think I'm dodgy. No no no.

marvellosity

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January 30 2014 16:51 GMT

#2636

I have unwavering faith that if I end up deciding something 100%, I can get others to agree with me.

Naturally, you are the stiffest test of this, whichever alignment. I think you were sent to TL Mafia to test me.

marvellosity

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January 30 2014 16:57 GMT

#2638

2nd line: yes, you're right there, there's literally no way for me to be able to believe this with total certainty. But you're being difficult so I'm being categorical. #proplays

I want to talk to Wave.

marvellosity

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January 30 2014 21:14 GMT

#2662

Pretty sure it was marv actually.

marvellosity

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January 30 2014 21:15 GMT

#2663

On January 31 2014 06:13 WaveofShadow wrote:
Hmm I thought it was.
Whatevs ill look later

Also toyig with the idea of not even bothering to put my reread conclusions/thoughts in thread

What have I always told you about dumb stuff like this?

marvellosity

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January 30 2014 21:17 GMT

#2666

On January 22 2014 05:31 marvellosity wrote:

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Just popping in between exercise and dinner, i'll go find kita's stuff a bit later.

Mostly 1, maybe a touch of 3? It's just something I don't find very surprising. I've often remarked to Prome that I find his opening to games bad/weak/scummy because he makes senseless accusations/stupid fluff/whatever.

Really (and this is to VE mostly I guess) I don't really care so much about him doing that at the start of the game, nor Hapa either, because it's what they do. The difference between here and LX is that on LX it was abundantly clear he was on the backfoot about his RNG plan, here his defence was on the frontfoot (partly *because* he didn't try to overjustify it again and again) and he simply moved on from it.

I sincerely wish I found it as interesting as you and VE seem to :p

Mentioned it once without explanation before this post, explained it here.