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On January 26 2014 06:34 Toadesstern wrote:
Well this might be another explanation to gonzaws question: Mafia was confident that foolishness isn't going to get lynched because VE would keep doing whatever and this all ended up being a minor gamble.
Gonzaw, come over to the sunny side, we still have cookies.
On January 26 2014 05:59 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2014 05:53 gonzaw wrote:
One way I think about it is this: By doing so, the scum in the "unconfirmed" blend in pretty well. If ALL the "unconfirmed" vote for Foo once the day ends...how do you distinguish between them? They all voted the same guy for the same reasons basically, you can't really differentiate them that much. This is independent on whether Foo is scum or not.
If Foo is scum, then 3 out of those 4 is town, and 1 is scum. The scum is jumping on the bus on Foo. But why? This makes it very likely Foo gets lynched, yet by sheeping the "confirmed", he can easily get VE lynched...if VE is not scum. Would he be scared, because he "jumps out" of all the other unconfirmed by being the only "unconfirmed" on VE? Then if VE flips town he'd be put under scrutiny? But bussing Foo is basically losing the game right now, isn't it? Wouldn't he take the chance? Or maybe he thinks Foo is still not getting lynched today and is bussing him anyways?
Of course, a very interesting scenario is both VE and Foo being scum.
Wave, Toad, kita, VE. You guys are the ones doing this. What do you think of this phenomenon? I've mentioned that I got cold feet right now, didn't I? It's for a reason... Foo+VE seems to be the most logical explanation right now simply because VE does whatever. If that's not the case then I'd say mafia has no long term plan and tries to hang on by a day by day basis and watch what can be done. So pretty much hoping for paranoia after a while and hope to somehow get people to lynch into one of the other 4 people.
Come again?
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Who's the other scum then Toad? kita, WoS, or a "confirmed"?
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On January 26 2014 06:35 Foolishness wrote:
And in case it isn't clear I still maintain that WoS is a better lynch than VE. VE I can see as being town, WoS not so much.
You better come up with a 10 page essay about this if you want to convince me you really believe this.
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Okay, can someone tell me why Wave isn't town based on his activity so far?
Need I remind you he has the 2nd largest filter (after me)? And 10 pages of it happened this D2?
You guys think he can still be scum based on that?
Maybe he wants to prove a point as scum, that you should never surrender and keep going on? Or something?
Like I really want to know.
At the very least I want to know how he's a better lynch than Toad, or VE, etc
This goes...for everybody basically (Foo, Toad and austin)
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On January 26 2014 06:42 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2014 06:38 gonzaw wrote:On January 26 2014 06:35 Foolishness wrote:
And in case it isn't clear I still maintain that WoS is a better lynch than VE. VE I can see as being town, WoS not so much. You better come up with a 10 page essay about this if you want to convince me you really believe this. Because VE actually seems like he's trying to figure things out and is listening to arguments brought forth. WoS seems very headset on lynching a few people (he's pushing what could be a mafia agenda) and seems to be ignoring critical information brought forth about the lynch yesterday. But I could very well be wrong on both accounts.
I'm trying really hard not to unvote VE and vote for you Foo
I really am.
Have you read the thread at all?
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I'm really perplexed right now.
I don't know who of these 2 to lynch right now.
marvy, where are you when I need you? ;_;
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"VE actually seems like he's trying to figure things out and is listening to arguments brought forth" ....
Wha...
How is VE wanting to lynch ANYBODY other than him (from the "unconfirmed"), not really caring (and explicitely stating so), being "trying to figure things out"?
"WoS seems very headset on lynching a few people (he's pushing what could be a mafia agenda) and seems to be ignoring critical information brought forth about the lynch yesterday." ...
WoS "seems to be ignoring critical information brought forth about the lynch yesterday", "he's pushing what could be a mafia agenda"....wtf?
Is he just ignoring everything WoS is doing this D2? Like being active as fuck, pressuring everybody, trying to figure things out (hey! Isn't that what VE was doing?), etc.
Is this guy serious?
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On January 26 2014 06:51 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2014 06:45 gonzaw wrote:
Okay, can someone tell me why Wave isn't town based on his activity so far?
Need I remind you he has the 2nd largest filter (after me)? And 10 pages of it happened this D2?
You guys think he can still be scum based on that?
Maybe he wants to prove a point as scum, that you should never surrender and keep going on? Or something?
Like I really want to know.
At the very least I want to know how he's a better lynch than Toad, or VE, etc
This goes...for everybody basically (Foo, Toad and austin) A lot of his filter is his GIANT posts. The size doesn't necessarily equate to content though. His giant giant posts are VE is town, Prome is scum. But his reasons for VE being town are kinda murky, and he spends boatloads and boatloads of time on all these little things that make Prome scum, despite Prome being pretty much off the table (it would seem for WoS as well? I have not seen him pushing Prome lately)
We (or well..I) are not really talking about those posts of his, but mostly the latest ones. The ones he discusses with Toad, with me, about a lot of subjects, like VE, Toad, Foolishness, marv, kita, etc.
Still, it takes a LOT of effort to put those 4 walls of text of his with the "bad" cases of town VE and scum Prome. You think he, as scum, would just straight up ignore them later? If I make a wall of text like that as scum you sure as hell bet I'm gonna keep with them. Not going to put effort in vain.
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Then don't post stuff like that if you still haven't read the thread...
...still, it doesn't really make sense.
But whatever
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Okay.
Can you give reasoning and proof behind these two statements?
On January 26 2014 06:42 Foolishness wrote:
VE actually seems like he's trying to figure things out and is listening to arguments brought forth.
WoS seems very headset on lynching a few people (he's pushing what could be a mafia agenda) and seems to be ignoring critical information brought forth about the lynch yesterday.
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Okay, who will be active here until deadline?
Foolishness, and who else?
Prome, will you be here? Toad, kita, austin? ...VE?
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On January 26 2014 07:10 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2014 07:08 gonzaw wrote:
Okay, who will be active here until deadline?
Foolishness, and who else?
Prome, will you be here? Toad, kita, austin? ...VE? Nope. Packing up food now, headed to a cookoff. I will have pictures to prove, if necessary.
Quick: You still wanna vote VE after Foo's new "entrance"?
Because you, WoS and marvy won't be around. Those are 3 votes we'll lose, which maybe, maybe we could need to decide the lynch more near the deadline
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On January 26 2014 07:14 kitaman27 wrote:
Well Foolishness is voting VE no matter what this cycle. He just isn't ready to admit it.
Me and gonzaw would be enough to decide the lynch either way, assuming that VE doesn't end the cycle off by himself.
Hmm, yeah, we are both voting VE, so we can end the lynch on Foo if we want.
You think there's something wrong with a VE+Foo scum team perhaps?
I initially thought it'd be kind of impossible, since VE parked his vote on Foo on D1 and kept it there doing nothing, even with Foo gaining 6 votes. But well.....scum be scum perhaps?
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On January 26 2014 07:20 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2014 07:17 gonzaw wrote:On January 26 2014 07:14 kitaman27 wrote:
Well Foolishness is voting VE no matter what this cycle. He just isn't ready to admit it.
Me and gonzaw would be enough to decide the lynch either way, assuming that VE doesn't end the cycle off by himself. Hmm, yeah, we are both voting VE, so we can end the lynch on Foo if we want. You think there's something wrong with a VE+Foo scum team perhaps? I initially thought it'd be kind of impossible, since VE parked his vote on Foo on D1 and kept it there doing nothing, even with Foo gaining 6 votes. But well.....scum be scum perhaps? There was the interaction at the beginning of the game where VE and Hapa were going at it and Foolishness interjected saying "lol you're both town". You think that happens as scum to scum?
Hmm.
Foo has been calling VE town the whole game without flinching basically. Except when he put him in the "scum is in these 4" bag.
Dunno if that tells us more about Foo or about VE.
So you think right now it's either one or the other then? Huh
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Hmmm.
Let's see if Foo comes up before deadline then. Really want an explanation for that stuff he posted
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Toad, what do you think of Foo's last posts?
Me and kita are kind of on the fence with this lynch, and have enough votes to swing the lynch to either VE or Foolishness. You think VE is town then? Will you try to convince us to lynch Foo, or will you do nothing until deadline waiting for your townread to get lynched?
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On January 26 2014 07:30 kitaman27 wrote:
If we lynch down Foolishness's line of scum players, would he win as mafia?
9 remaining
VE lynch + shot
7 remaining
Toad lynch + shot
5 remaining lylo
Wave lynch + shot
3 remaining
I'm guessing mafia in those three. Essentially it would mean he would likely have to beat me in lylo with someone like marv/austin as the third?
Well...if he is scum with one of those....could be?
The point is, if he's scum, would this be optimal for him, or a good strategy?
It doesn't really matter to question whether he'd "win" or not as mafia. It's possible he can't "win" as mafia, but if he is scum, he'll try his best anyway.
Anyway, I'll be back in 10-15 minutes I guess. Let's see if somebody cares about this lynch >_>
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Up to what page are you reading right now Foo?
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You know VE did the same stuff to Prome back on N1, and well this D2 (although he's been waffling around this D2)?
Does WoS's push of Prome seem more scummy than VE's, when they were basically the same (calling the scumteam Foolishness+Prome+sandro, and posting stuff why Prome is scum, etc)?
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