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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 28 2014 17:57 GMT
#2331
Thank god. lol
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 28 2014 20:38 GMT
#2361
On January 29 2014 05:18 Foolishness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2014 21:17 WaveofShadow wrote:
You guys are assuming that marv is his secomndary and I am his (tertiary) target when he bever states that anywhere in his recent posts

I wanted to hear that stuff from him to try and get a read rather than have people put words in his mouth---now he may get all defensive about it which might convolute a read

Not that I have time to read much today really

Yes I did that on purpose. I made no mention of Austin anywhere in my posts yet Austin looks like he's taking the information I provided and is trying to draw conclusions, while Marv is just trying to debunk everything I say (instead of say, analyzing the Promethelax case and looking for connections to the last mafia). Austin knows he's innocent so he didn't read at all into the fact that his name wasn't mentioned, because that wasn't on his mind. Marv noticed it in particular because he knows he's guilty.

Come on baby, you're really stretching. This doesn't even make sense.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 28 2014 20:43 GMT
#2362
On January 29 2014 05:33 Foolishness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2014 05:19 austinmcc wrote:
On January 29 2014 05:18 Foolishness wrote:
On January 28 2014 21:17 WaveofShadow wrote:
You guys are assuming that marv is his secomndary and I am his (tertiary) target when he bever states that anywhere in his recent posts

I wanted to hear that stuff from him to try and get a read rather than have people put words in his mouth---now he may get all defensive about it which might convolute a read

Not that I have time to read much today really

Yes I did that on purpose. I made no mention of Austin anywhere in my posts yet Austin looks like he's taking the information I provided and is trying to draw conclusions, while Marv is just trying to debunk everything I say (instead of say, analyzing the Promethelax case and looking for connections to the last mafia). Austin knows he's innocent so he didn't read at all into the fact that his name wasn't mentioned, because that wasn't on his mind. Marv noticed it in particular because he knows he's guilty.
(Except it's also really apparent why you'd do that and the only possible other targets were marv and myself and there were already reasons to be suspicious of him)

Sure, and I understand that. I didn't really have much room to work with on that front. But on the page after I posted my analysis Marv makes this post:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2014 11:06 marvellosity wrote:
On January 28 2014 10:57 kitaman27 wrote:
On January 28 2014 10:54 marvellosity wrote:
Patience is in limited supply

as is my ability to stay awake much longer when i must go to bed


Regardless of his read on you, what do you think about his thoughts on Prom?

They look fine. Mostly everything looks fine. The issue is, the conclusions are wrong. The voting that I showed makes no sense whatsoever. As for Prome's meta, there are two pretty important things. One is that he's had time issues this game. Now I'm sure if he's mafia blabla he may have just avoided the thread in general, but not like this, and Prome is 100% not the kind of guy that would ever lie about time issues with work. He just isn't.

The 2nd, major issue that Fool has (purposefully?) not taken into account is Prome's ego. Prome's ego is large, somewhat justifiably so. This isn't an insult, just an observation. In every game he plays, he considers himself one of the top townies. And he acts like it. Go look at PyP LoL postgame (or there's some other thread where he says it) - he's bigging himself up for being awesome there and he's annoyed that he wasn't given enough credit for it.

Now, in relation to this game - yes, his ego is large. But he's not an idiot, and he's well aware that in this field, he is, for a change, one of the smaller fish. He's definitely referenced that in the thread, probably both pre-game and post-game. This will affect his "swagger" quite considerably, in that he looks up to most of the players here, rather than down, like he normally does. So he's more unsure, he's more willing to listen (example that post that Fool quotes where Prome is trusting gonzaw's read on sand). It's a large, missing piece of this read.

Read this post carefully and you'll realize that there's something wrong. This is not a Marv town post. In particular I feel that his first three sentences show that he's mafia. He says: "They look fine. Mostly everything looks fine. The issue is, the conclusions are wrong."

How can the analysis be right but the conclusions be wrong? That's saying, "oh Foolishness you're right, Promethelax is not playing his town game, definitely is pushing a mafia agenda, does not care about the town lynches and only his survival, he has the really bad vote posts which shows that he's pushing an agenda....but he's town". What?!? That's not a town way of thinking at all. If a town looks at my post about Promethelax and disagrees with it he's going to point out the flaws in my logic: "actually his voting could have been from a town perspective because X and Y" or "that Promethelax post could have come from town Promethelax because look at his other town games where he did something similar". Something to that effect. A town isn't going to look at that and be like, "yup, Foolishness does perfect analysis except he drew the wrong conclusions".

Even so, why is Marv going out of his way to defend Promethelax? The thoughts don't line up. I'd guess he'd start making connections between Promethelax and other players ("well I know I'm town and Foolishness's analysis looks pretty good so gotta find the remaining mafia") or just defend himself ("well I know I'm town and Foolishness is implying that I'm the last mafia. I can prove my innocence so something is wrong here"). Perhaps these are wifom arguments, but Marv's line of thinking is not consistent.

And to address what he said here, sure it's a good point to make about Promethelax's ego. But that can only explain so much. That doesn't address why he's not interested in the town lynches, why he made a strange list without incriminating anyone (and why Marv wasn't on that list). Second, if Promethelax does have an ego I'd expect him to vote for who he thinks is mafia above all instead of going with Gonzaw.

This is the townmarviest post of all townmarvy posts actually. What you're doing is accusing me of defending someone I don't think is scum from someone I think is scum. How is that even an argument?

You know very well that arguments can look good but come to the wrong conclusion or miss out vital pieces of evidence. It's stretching my credulity that you're even suggesting that this doesn't happen quite a lot, especially with good players. Things can be logical, things can make sense, but usually there is more than one possible explanation. In this case, you missed out a large piece of the puzzle, re: Prome's attitude towards this game and his ego. The fact you're trying to paint that as *me* being suspicious because I'm correctly poking holes in your case is ridiculous.

Essentially this entire post is totally incorrect.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 28 2014 20:58 GMT
#2364
Your argument is essentially "sandroba asked to get lynched on day 1 for absolutely no reason other than to make a terrible risky play"?

...
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 28 2014 21:00 GMT
#2365
You're even putting apostrophes in words that shouldn't have them by now. That's the real clincher.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 28 2014 21:16 GMT
#2371
Townie mindset 101

Option 1)
Make 2 towncases, one on someone who MAY get lynched, one who's not even on the table to be lynched

Option 2)
Make mafia case on the 2nd mafia who is "in the bag"

Hum
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 28 2014 21:18 GMT
#2373
yeah i haven't got much PC time left either :/
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 28 2014 21:22 GMT
#2375
On January 29 2014 06:20 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2014 06:16 marvellosity wrote:
Townie mindset 101

Option 1)
Make 2 towncases, one on someone who MAY get lynched, one who's not even on the table to be lynched

Option 2)
Make mafia case on the 2nd mafia who is "in the bag"

Hum

Is foolishness known for making towncases? Be honest.
Although considering his towncases and mafiacases have flipped exactly in this game I don't even know what anymore.

KISS says foolishness should have been lynched twice so we lynch him.
To some degree I also want to say KISS says the effort he put in with his essays makes him town but the WAY in which those were done makes me say no.

Vote stays

Usually Foolish is quite happy to tell people in some detail why he thinks people are town.

But he's done so at such great length and at the expense of making a case against me. That's just not right.

Foolish didn't have a chance of mislynching Promethelax today if he also included a case against me that I would tear apart.

It's really that simple.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 28 2014 21:24 GMT
#2377
yes, because Prome is mafia because he said you were town due to activity and contribution even though you had a couple of dodgy posts, and because of pairings.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 28 2014 21:25 GMT
#2381
no austin, you should be lynching the absolute strongest read, period.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 28 2014 21:26 GMT
#2382
On January 29 2014 06:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
I really hate austins sudden townread. Did you read what I wrote?

yes, it's odd as shit and making me reconsider toad+austin, but I can worry about that post-flip
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 28 2014 21:30 GMT
#2384
Are you really equating day 1 reads + shenannies to day 3 lynches austin?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 28 2014 21:42 GMT
#2389
Such dodge

Without PC now for some hours, will try to phonepost (i'm terrible at it)
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 28 2014 21:44 GMT
#2392
yes, marv & prome at 5-3-2 on fool definitely decide just to randomly kill off a player (WHEN THE OPTION EXISTS TO LOOK GOOD BUSSING HIM TOMORROW) because sand is a "risky mafia player".

Kinda disappointed that was the best angle you could find to take fool. shrug.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 28 2014 22:08 GMT
#2413
On January 29 2014 06:56 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2014 06:55 WaveofShadow wrote:
Austin I think I'm just not going to read that post at all.
Fuck vote D1 vote analysis.
Don't read the votes then. Read marv's comments on Sandroba D1, and his comments on Foolishness D1.

Then tell me if you understand why I would ask him about that vote when he tells me to vote the strongest scumread.

Again, why are you comparing day 1 to day 3? They aren't the same
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 28 2014 22:10 GMT
#2414
On January 29 2014 06:57 kitaman27 wrote:
Suppose we had a hypothetical situation where I wouldn't want to lynch Prom, but I'd consider marv. Otherwise, I'd vote foolishness. Show of hands, who would support that and who would oppose it?

Brb, 45 mins.

Would not support D:

What's wrong with ppls
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 28 2014 22:14 GMT
#2417
Because day 3 is not day 1

Are you being purposefully obtuse?

You can find plenty of games of mine where I day 1 shenannie. No games where I am not voting my strongest read day 3. It's exceptionally simple to understand
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 28 2014 22:18 GMT
#2419
austin if you're town you are behaving exceptionally oddly
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 28 2014 22:25 GMT
#2424
Because I thought it would be obvious, especially given the further explanation. It should have been obvious.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 28 2014 22:26 GMT
#2426
We're not lynching me tomorrow. Has everyone gone mad?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
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