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On January 25 2014 03:16 Toadesstern wrote:how do you guys read so fast... I'm still trying to get through WoS filter and it's just so much "i think this ... but well... maybe not" and can't get through because of that... Like I said, from my innitial read I didn't like WoS and most of it comes down to how he presented himself in the thread early on. Not surprising considering that my innitial read only consisted of the first 20 or so pages. Anyways, let's start with his very first post of the game: Show nested quote +On January 21 2014 10:39 WaveofShadow wrote:
Welp, gonna go with my usual opener.
I think the only difference here is for the first time I'm actually relieved to roll town. I'd be pretty terrified to go up against this town as scum.
One of these days I will have another scumgame; it seems that day is not today.
Holy! Where you at? I've never played a non-voice game with you before. Let's do something.
and given his more recent posts, like the two about VE this really is a common theme here: It doesn't look genuine at all. So first of all you'll realize the first phrase, being Welp, gonna go with my usual opener. and you'll probably think that it doesn't sound motivated at all, but whatever, could be anything, right? So you continue reading and he explains how he's happy that he rolled town because he'd be terrified to go up against town in this game. Now the green thing on itself is nothing at all, like I said could be anything, but take into account that he actually points out that he's happy to have rolled town and I don't believe a word he says. That post doesn't sound delighted, happy or whatever else. It does sound like he's completly unmotivated
lol Wave's play this game has been anything but unmotivated.
Anyways, could lynch Toad today I guess.
But VE isn't doing shit.
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But then your case doesn't hold any water.
In fact, if he's been motivated this whole game, and he said "I'm relieved to be town, if I was scum I'd be terrified", then who gives a shit if his 1st post is unmotivated, if the other 500 are?
If he said that, but he played like VE (not doing much, then ragequitting, etc), it'd be a GREAT contradiction, where he said that stuff to gain town cred but contradicted it and outted himself as scum.
Yet it is consistent with his play
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439137¤tpage=72#1434
This entire case of yours sucks Toad.
Nitpicking little shit (seriously you think he's scum because of the "no reason to vote sandro yet" thing?), bla bla
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VE, your turn. I'm not voting you anymore, what are you going to do?
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On January 25 2014 03:16 Toadesstern wrote:He wasn't around at deadline either, no posting. There's a certain mafia agenda to be found there. - Mafia does not want to start a Sandroba wagon
- Mafia does not want to hop on a Sandroba wagon assuming that at least one of Foolish or Prom is town
- Mafia does not want to defend Sandroba either
Seems l pretty convenient to not be around at deadline if you're mafia.
This is bullshit. The guy was AFK like 10 hours before deadline, not just 1 or 2. He was AFK for a lot of D1 not just deadline.
Also, same could be said about your predecessor right?
The above however and the fact that hapa died is more than enough to prioritize WoS over VE today.
More WIFOM bullshit.
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Dunno if I really believe that Foo+Toad scumteam shit I mentioned earlier.
But well, I think Toad+VE is a possible scumteam as well
VE+Toad
Foo+Toad
Toad is the common thread.
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Sorry, don't see how saying "Welp" says anything about his psychological state at the time. That post is not unmotivated either.
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Are you really arguing this Toad?
Welp (<- By the way, this means I'm sad and depressed and I'm going to go slit my wrists kthxbye)
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Anyways.
WOS, so do you agree with my "case" (more of "speculative stuff I put that scarily started to make more and more sense as I was writing it") on Foo and Toad then? If so, or if not, anything particular you want to say about it?
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Toad, what do you think about Foolishness' attitude towards you and your predecessor?
I.e instantly finding Holy scummy (because of my case), but never doing anything else about it (other than fleetingly mention him a few times), to him being his 2nd scum read after Prome, to him not mentioning him nor you AT ALL after he had a 100% change of heart on Prome?
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It does in his mind. From his POV, Prome is "confirmed town", thus backs down from his scumread on him.
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Also Prome is town. Don't make me post that X-Y-Z scumteam shit again >_>
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On January 25 2014 04:21 VisceraEyes wrote:
Gonzaw you say Prom went after Foolish but here he calls Foolish townie
Well, that read of his about Foo is kind of weird I guess. Too bad he doesn't post anything else until his vote though.
...here is where he's all about a HolyFlare lynch, and places him on his lynch list AHEAD of Foolish, where his vote is presently...
Most likely that list is not ordered.
...here is even more consideration of others besides Foolish, in this case a semi-lurker...
...and here he ranks fool likelier scum than sand. Yet his VOTE ended up on Sand. Saying "He went after Fool, they obviously not a scumteam noob LOLOLOLOL" is.....unfair. Grossly.
His vote ended up on sand because of shenanies and sheeping me.
But sorry VE, if Foo is scum, Prome is town. There's no way around it:
On January 25 2014 01:15 gonzaw wrote:
You think, there are 3 scum: X, Y and Z.
You think scum X bussed scum Y ALL D1, without wavering, without changing his vote or even attempting to change his mind, and doing so up until the final minutes of the lynch
You think Z casted suspicon on Y, and 30 minutes before deadline decided to bus Y
You also think, that immediately after that, Y decides to come to the thread and bus X back.
All of this, while this is the votecount at the time:
(X): 4 votes
(Y): 4 votes
(Z): 1 vote
You are going to tell me, not a SINGLE townie had a vote on them by the end of D1 (not taking into account Holy's wasted vote). You are going to tell me, that scum made a plan, where they cross-bus each other, vote NO ONE other than each other, end up with ALL THREE OF THEM having votes, and (again BECAUSE THIS IS IMPORTANT) end up with NO TOWNIE HAVING A VOTE ON THEM AT ALL. Not only this, you are going to tell me that scum were completely happy with this (check Prome and Foo's behaviour at the deadline, they were pretty calm about it).
You are also going to tell me, that after whatever sick plan they had, which involved getting X lynched, crumbled when a last minute switch to Z happened, then Y was still calm as fuck (even though their whole convoluted complex bussing plan they've been trying to perfect for hours and hours just crumbled at their feet) and even decided to jump on the bandwagon when he had stated in the thread he thought Z to not be that scummy and could be bad town.
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Anyways, let's take things slow
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EBWOP:
+ Show Spoiler +On January 25 2014 04:29 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2014 04:21 VisceraEyes wrote:
Gonzaw you say Prom went after Foolish but here he calls Foolish townie Well, that read of his about Foo is kind of weird I guess. Too bad he doesn't post anything else until his vote though. Show nested quote +...here is where he's all about a HolyFlare lynch, and places him on his lynch list AHEAD of Foolish, where his vote is presently... Most likely that list is not ordered. Show nested quote +...and here he ranks fool likelier scum than sand. Yet his VOTE ended up on Sand. Saying "He went after Fool, they obviously not a scumteam noob LOLOLOLOL" is.....unfair. Grossly. His vote ended up on sand because of shenanies and sheeping me. But sorry VE, if Foo is scum, Prome is town. There's no way around it: Show nested quote +On January 25 2014 01:15 gonzaw wrote:
You think, there are 3 scum: X, Y and Z.
You think scum X bussed scum Y ALL D1, without wavering, without changing his vote or even attempting to change his mind, and doing so up until the final minutes of the lynch
You think Z casted suspicon on Y, and 30 minutes before deadline decided to bus Y
You also think, that immediately after that, Y decides to come to the thread and bus X back.
All of this, while this is the votecount at the time:
(X): 4 votes
(Y): 4 votes
(Z): 1 vote
You are going to tell me, not a SINGLE townie had a vote on them by the end of D1 (not taking into account Holy's wasted vote). You are going to tell me, that scum made a plan, where they cross-bus each other, vote NO ONE other than each other, end up with ALL THREE OF THEM having votes, and (again BECAUSE THIS IS IMPORTANT) end up with NO TOWNIE HAVING A VOTE ON THEM AT ALL. Not only this, you are going to tell me that scum were completely happy with this (check Prome and Foo's behaviour at the deadline, they were pretty calm about it).
You are also going to tell me, that after whatever sick plan they had, which involved getting X lynched, crumbled when a last minute switch to Z happened, then Y was still calm as fuck (even though their whole convoluted complex bussing plan they've been trying to perfect for hours and hours just crumbled at their feet) and even decided to jump on the bandwagon when he had stated in the thread he thought Z to not be that scummy and could be bad town.
. Anyways, let's take things slow ##Unvote
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VE, talk to me about Holy and Toad
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On January 25 2014 04:40 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 03:08 Holyflare wrote:
I don't get why people are picking up on me attacking hapa who "looked towny", he had contradictions in a thought process that I picked up on and questioned.
Either way, I apologise for my lack of playing this game. I fully expected to be able to contribute time but my circumstances changed on the day the game started and so each and every single one of my posts has been posted from my phone, I was just picking up on points that I thought were contradictary and the such, no "aggression" is intended it's just how I post (Hogwarts I got called out for being aggressive as scum so there is no way I would ever try and look like that in a game again as scum).
Either way, my initial read was on gonzaw being scummy because of his time allocation, that subsequently changed based on his responses and although I mention the repeated bastardisation and misconstruing of my posts that increasingly (as he kept doing it and still is) looks more and more like a tunneled towny and so I used my time to defend myself from him so as to divulge my thought processes and vindicate myself to the person that I think is towny (from the people that I have focused on). I thought hapa was looking scummy because of his contradictions but his response to me made me back off of that.
I can't delve into quotes and things like I normally would but please please look at when gonzaw posted that "case" (that I said was heavily misconstrued) on me. The responses that meekly followed that said "yeh, that's true" and "hmmm yeh I can see that" should be heavily scrutinised as they were, like was just said, not backed up by votes.
Like I said at the start, you shouldn't let people who get better later "sandroba AND foolishness (although he has posted now)" sit back, they should be entirely pressured. Sandroba even went so far as to get a good ++ (I think?) from foolishness??? despite his less than 1 page filter with nothing contributary in.
Either way, I've asked to be subbed out so have fun. This is Holy's last content post. I very seriously doubt that, as scum, his last act was to bus Sandroba before replacing out.
Hmmm.
What made you think that he was scum earlier? You know, when you voted him.
Is this the only reason that made you change your mind about him since then?
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On January 25 2014 04:48 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2014 04:45 gonzaw wrote:On January 25 2014 04:40 VisceraEyes wrote:On January 23 2014 03:08 Holyflare wrote:
I don't get why people are picking up on me attacking hapa who "looked towny", he had contradictions in a thought process that I picked up on and questioned.
Either way, I apologise for my lack of playing this game. I fully expected to be able to contribute time but my circumstances changed on the day the game started and so each and every single one of my posts has been posted from my phone, I was just picking up on points that I thought were contradictary and the such, no "aggression" is intended it's just how I post (Hogwarts I got called out for being aggressive as scum so there is no way I would ever try and look like that in a game again as scum).
Either way, my initial read was on gonzaw being scummy because of his time allocation, that subsequently changed based on his responses and although I mention the repeated bastardisation and misconstruing of my posts that increasingly (as he kept doing it and still is) looks more and more like a tunneled towny and so I used my time to defend myself from him so as to divulge my thought processes and vindicate myself to the person that I think is towny (from the people that I have focused on). I thought hapa was looking scummy because of his contradictions but his response to me made me back off of that.
I can't delve into quotes and things like I normally would but please please look at when gonzaw posted that "case" (that I said was heavily misconstrued) on me. The responses that meekly followed that said "yeh, that's true" and "hmmm yeh I can see that" should be heavily scrutinised as they were, like was just said, not backed up by votes.
Like I said at the start, you shouldn't let people who get better later "sandroba AND foolishness (although he has posted now)" sit back, they should be entirely pressured. Sandroba even went so far as to get a good ++ (I think?) from foolishness??? despite his less than 1 page filter with nothing contributary in.
Either way, I've asked to be subbed out so have fun. This is Holy's last content post. I very seriously doubt that, as scum, his last act was to bus Sandroba before replacing out. Hmmm. What made you think that he was scum earlier? You know, when you voted him. Is this the only reason that made you change your mind about him since then? I'll tell you but you're not going to like it, but please refrain from going "SEEE I KNEW IT SCUUUUMMMMMMM!!!!" I was in the process of making dinner and was ATTEMPTING to get in on the shenannies. It was at the part where I was waiting for oil to heat up so I had a couple of minutes so I came back, saw your case on him, was like "Ehhhh that's reasonable enough I guess" and voted for him. Then he requested replacement so I was like "Well fuck, I guess Foolish it is then" and then the oil was heated up. I tried to come back a couple of times (interactions with Prome, one of the other leading candidates and a person of interest specifically to me) but never made it back to actually join in the fun. Once the oil is heated up it's frying time.
On January 23 2014 02:59 VisceraEyes wrote:
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Come make me move it bro.
On January 23 2014 08:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
[center]Night 1
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Your vote on Holy was 5 hours before deadline.
Does it take you 5 hours to cook porkchops? lol
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On January 25 2014 07:09 Toadesstern wrote:
Also you guys (mostly gonzaw) told me to read as quickly as possible. It was a corner to cut.
Yeah....26 hours ago
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Well, I find a lot of things about Toad sketchy. In a sense I'd get why he'd not think Holy's posts are important, at least not enough to like reread his filter or something.
Cant' see a reason for him to just not read them at all, specially now that he has time (and was not in a rush from yesterday). Holy doesn't have that huge of a filter either.
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Okay VE, let's back out a little bit.
So, you are still arguing for Foo+Prome+sandro scumteam.
You've been told a hundred times the unlikeliness of that scumteam. Some reasons are:
1)Pre-planned 3-way ongoing bus from very early in D1
2)Lack of push on any townie at all from the entire scumteam (except Prome voting kita for a little while which he later backed out of)
3)Seemingly lack of reason for their specific votes at the deadline (why would sandro vote Prome and not Foo? Why couldn't Prome vote for sandro as an OMGUS, yet instead voted Foo? Why would Foo ignore sandro?)
4)Lack of sense in their actions regarding the voteswitch (why wouldn't Foo eagerly switch over to sandro and be here with us as another "confirmed town"?)
5)Lack of care that the D1 lynch would be 100% on scum with no townie at all being considered scum
6)Knowing that all 3 of them were considered for the lynch (from their POV 2 at least), yet they were pretty chill about the whole issue, and weren't really concerned, nor nervous, etc (e.g Prome's and Foo's attitude right at the deadline)
I'm sure there are plenty of other problems everybody said.
So, you acknowledge these problems right? Please post that you do, if not I can't know if you are ignoring them or not.
If you do so, and yet still believe this is the most likely scumteam, and most productive way for town to spend this D2, then it means you must be REALLY sure that Foo is (individually) scum, and that Prome is (individually) scum. I could see you being kind of sure Foo is scum. I don't really see you being so sure Prome is scum (for example those statements you made me answer a little while ago are not very convincing).
So, if you are so sure each of them is individually scum, that it trumps any kind of shit the rest of us can throw at you, prove it. Prove you are so sure they are scum, make more cases, etc.
If so, how am I supposed to believe you believe this totally impossible scumteam so much?
The same thing to WoS, but he seems to come around a little bit, and well he did post a case.
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On January 25 2014 04:24 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2014 04:12 gonzaw wrote:
Toad, what do you think about Foolishness' attitude towards you and your predecessor?
I.e instantly finding Holy scummy (because of my case), but never doing anything else about it (other than fleetingly mention him a few times), to him being his 2nd scum read after Prome, to him not mentioning him nor you AT ALL after he had a 100% change of heart on Prome? No idea, I haven't read a single post from Holyflare so no idea if his accusations on my predecessor as you coined it so nicely make sense, btw also something WoS mentioned about me how I kept the reads from Holy... I didn't even know that lol
Actually, now that I think about it Toad, you don't even need to read Holy's filter at all.
All I've said about Foo's "interaction" with Holy was said in that post I made. Nothing is Holy's filter is necessary to understand what I meant. Nor you need to read Holy's filter to get a read on Foolishness, which is what my question was about.
So if you can Toad, when you can, answer my question, even if you don't read Holy's filter.
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Does anybody else have any thoughts about what I posted about Foolishness's interactions with Holy/Toad?
What I posted makes Foo' look worse than Holy/Toad though (i.e Foo can still be scum because of it with Toad being town).
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