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On January 30 2014 03:05 kitaman27 wrote:
marv, do you think Prom + austin makes sense? Or is toad still the other?
austin, do you think think Prom + marv is the best pair, under that assumption that Prom flips mafia 100% of the time? I still cut toad out entirely.
That leaves me prome / marv
prome /wos
prome / kita
prome sort of halfway on kita nuts for part of D1, N1. Also asks about abandoning combinatrics, and if he wants to distance self from kita I think he picks something REAL and scummy that kita has done, not "why did you give up on your nonsense that also might have been helpful?" He calls out a scumslip when kita refers to town doing something. It's not perfect, but given my current feelings about kita (not scum in his own right), I don't see a kita/prome team. Prome mentions kita plenty, changes a read on kita, but the interactions don't appear to be accomplishing anything.
I don't think we have the prome + wos/VE thingy on D1 if wos is mafia? There was a lot of interaction between prome/WoS, WoS being critical of prome going after VE instead of himself, and the subject of that bit was sandroba, and I don't THINK getting everyone lumped in together so early makes sense. He's got things in his filter that take me to frown town ---> positive reference of sandroba being active, odd VE town read, but on the whole, i personally lean towards thinking that prome doesn't jump on VE D1 for talking about sandroba when WoS has talked about sandroba the same way. It would be a BIG oversight on prome's part, I think, to accuse the townie of doing something when your scumbuddy has done the same thing, then to (imo) scummily make up a fake reason for what you just did, all while the subject of the conduct that received differential treatment was your THIRD and FINAL scumbuddy. I don't like that as a fit.
That takes me to marv as the likeliest, just based on those things? Some of the reason I like that pairing is marv's play this game, and specifically that one question, cause me to lean scum on him regardless of possible matchups. marv also ... covers a good bit for prome early? Prome is an arch-bullshitter (to VE), with ludicrous reasons but not scummy reasons. He has some misgivings about Prome's filter when chatting with VE, but doesn't find prome scummy. When asked what he thinks about prome treating VE/WoS differently by me, given choices of prome being silly/giving a false reason/having no reason, he goes with 3. Yet prome GAVE a reason. So essentially, marv thinks that prome had no reason, but manufactured the "curious question" reason, yet finds it not surprising at all, because prome has bad/weak/scummy starts to games. Again, prome is doing scummy stuff, but that is natural for town prome, sayeth the marv. (I can keep going and going, but a lot of my posts cover marv/prome yesterday, and also I'd rather let other people look for themselves because I keep typign like this and not giving a bunch of quotes and crap).
So yes. Right now I'm marv + prome > wos + prome > kita + prome.
(seriously read marv's filter, even just searching for prome. If you want to make the actions fit a narrative, scum sees prome a likely lynch, marv is working on foolishness trying to get him to lynch sandroba INSTEAD of prome, all while trying to discredit foolishness a little. Prome was scummy but likely town because he was scummy, then he was scummier by default for not posting, then come lynch time he's not a good lynch because of the people voting him, then he's town on balance because of buddying marv, with 9 minutes to go until lynch. lots of mind-changing without ever really saying much)
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(let alone prome's filter on marv, where marv is super buddy D1, then the second most suspicious vote on sandroba after myself, then slowly growing more worrisome, yet he never actually attacks marv or appears to consider him a legit piece of the scumteam (marv scummy, marv worrisome, but always at least 2 other people ahead of him, so marv scummy but gotta be town))
Then when he asks about conspiracy theories and I point out that I thought he wanted to talk about marv being scum, he asks why scum marv would do what he did (assuming prome was town), and entirely drops the matter.
He doesn't follow up on the reasons marv might be scum, even the ones he's given. He doesn't chat about why scummarv would do things even in a world where prome is town. He appears to not actually care AT ALL about the fact that he's suspicious of marv and someone else is wanting to talk about the possibility of scummarv.
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On January 30 2014 03:42 marvellosity wrote:
austin, tell me, over all my scumgames, about me defending my scumbuddies, how often I do it, how I do it.
kita: alright, will do. just popping in pre-exercise at the moment though. I do remember finding a quote from Prome's filter at some stage that made it seem quite unlikely to me that Prome was mafia with Holyflare(toad) though. I think you even commented on it. Very rarely if at all. Off the top of my head, you usually are willing to call them scummy or just find someone scummier to lynch without really having to defend your buddy.
I'm not saying it's normal for you. And I won't fully play the "but marv knows he acts like this, so he'll act like that" game, but you know you're plenty capable of having the thought "I usually don't defend scumbuddies, people know that, therefore, I'll defend a scumbuddy."
And even if how you normally interact with scumbuddies should be pushing me away from scummarv, your general play this game doesn't, that question doesn't, and prome's filter (discounting yours) doesn't really push me away from you. He seems to take stances on you at times, but not real ones. You're scummy when he's got way scummier people to be pushing, and he's not interested in talking about why you might be scum, despite being scummy on you.
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Shhhhh. It's quiet time, Artanis.
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I don't really think I need to be posting last thoughts here.
My current thought is prome + marv > Wos > kita > toad.
I wish toad had been around more and talked more about why he wants to lynch foolish if he believes foolish/marv/prome = 2 mafia, because I don't think that makes sense. Otherwise, really just like him for town.
For anyone that isn't convinced on prome, please read his thoughts on why mafia NKs gonzaw/hapa. Doesn't make sense. Actually read Foolishness's case on prome, look at prome's votes/reads. D1 reads, the way yesterday, when others were coming down to 2-3 scum suspects AT MOST, prome is apparently scummy on foolishness, scummy on marv, kinda scummy on toad, seems to be scummy on me at times, etc. Prome's got more than half the game still scum, and doesn't appear to be really trying to ... whittle that down. He's just happy that everyone is maybe scum, but we should lynch Foolishness.
Again, I won't be dead. I like a prome lynch, but not autolynching marv afterwards. There's a chance someone's being a sneaky snake apart from marv.
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On January 30 2014 07:42 marvellosity wrote:
kita, I been dozing on and off this evening, fraid that shit gonna have to wait.
Sadly there's 0 chance I get shot now, so I'll play hard next cycle.
My one phobia is snakes. Ew. We need to really properly talk at some point tomorrow austin (on the not particularly dangerous assumption we'll still both be here :p), I need to see what your thoughts on me are really made of. Sugar and spleen and everything green?
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3 odds 1 strange, if you don't count him saying something is odd and could be kita-odd or scummy-odd, since that's really just repeating odd
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On January 30 2014 07:56 marvellosity wrote:
that's because you are odd and strange kita.
And yeah, I never came back with a firm read on you. Mainly because I'd start looking at you and not really find what I was looking for (whatever that was)
I'm not really sure what you're suggesting my angle is here... keeping my options open or something? when most people see you as much townier than I was seeing you? That doesn't really work.
Fool's towncase really finally firmed up my read on you. Did a really cursory check of what he suggested and he made strong points. At the time I thought he included the towncase on you to look legit while he pushed other bad arguments on Prome and Toad. I thought you liked Foolishness's arguments on Prome, just not the conclusion. Your liking the analysis was not "I like the comparisons you're making" but "I like the...effort"?
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marv I'll chat with you but I'd rather you complete your kita errands first.
I guess I should vocalize that, though.
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On January 30 2014 09:05 WaveofShadow wrote:
Welp seems like this game is going to be up to me now.
Austin town, Prome scum, that's easy enough.
It's the final day that's going to prove difficult.
Marv or Toad? How do you feel about Foolishness's anti-case on Toad? Like...really read and explain and whatnot plox?
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On January 30 2014 09:55 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2014 09:20 austinmcc wrote:On January 30 2014 09:05 WaveofShadow wrote:
Welp seems like this game is going to be up to me now.
Austin town, Prome scum, that's easy enough.
It's the final day that's going to prove difficult.
Marv or Toad? How do you feel about Foolishness's anti-case on Toad? Like...really read and explain and whatnot plox? There is much to do. All in good time, sweet austin. I should totes lynch you for picking Trundle though. I love me some trundle right now, except that you pillar CD so long that you can't actually stick on 85% of people.
And yet, I've been losing games like crazy unless I ADC.
But that is for another day. I'm interested in marv's kita response and your thoughts on Foolishness's Toad bit. I assume I know your thoughts on my thoughts on Toad.
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On January 30 2014 10:33 Toadesstern wrote:
Also seems like mafia is trying to get WoS into lylo as the weekest link, was to be expected. Foolishness had him on 3rd most likely mafia, Austin as well and so do I. At the same time WoS had mighty paranoia about me and apparently austin as well. Seems like mafia wants some kind of WoS + either me or Austin lylo + whatever is left after prome, right?' Hoping that one of us gives in and votes ends up voting WoS over Marv?
Pretty much confirms that there's mafia in Marv/Prome/Austin at this point and austin is town, so really keep on lynching ...........................................
There are 5 people alive
There are 2 mafia alive
One of the people alive is you
If you are not mafia
(Then of course there is mafia in marv/prome/austin)
(It's 100% confirmed because of math)
(Toad?)
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On January 31 2014 00:20 marvellosity wrote:
His, imo, unreasonably strong townread on Toad/Holy based on almost nothing. His attack on Prome for a really weird reason that still no-one has agreed with, and yet for some reason he's particularly suspicious of me for not agreeing with it. The fact he's always come in super-late to push any lynch, on every single day so far. His 100% absurd attack on me for when I said "vote your strongest read" when in context it was fucking obvious I was talking about day 3. I clarified and he continued the attack on the same basis. It's totally absurd that he's really trying to catch me out for being "hypocritical" for day 1 reads and voting compared to day 3 actions. What part of attacking prome and wanting a prome lynch are you referring to here as pretty weird? I think there are a variety of things you find odd, just want to see which.
(Also, there's a shimmering, translucent, kita-shaped specter behind you. It says oooooOOOOoooo OOOO and On January 30 2014 03:05 kitaman27 wrote:
marv, do you think Prom + austin makes sense? Or is toad still the other? )
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On January 31 2014 01:09 marvellosity wrote:kita can shimmer all he likes, i'll look at things in the order I think matters. In fairly obvious fashion, digging around at people will make kita's question easier to answer  The reasons for Prome's Wave townread is the thing I'm talking about. Why do WoS and Toad find prome scummy? Do you agree with them/either of them?
That can go on the list, please. If you're not mafia, one of them is, and maybe this is a spot where one of them looks funky.
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On January 31 2014 01:13 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2014 01:10 austinmcc wrote:On January 31 2014 01:09 marvellosity wrote:kita can shimmer all he likes, i'll look at things in the order I think matters. In fairly obvious fashion, digging around at people will make kita's question easier to answer The reasons for Prome's Wave townread is the thing I'm talking about. Why do WoS and Toad find prome scummy? Do you agree with them/either of them? That can go on the list, please. If you're not mafia, one of them is, and maybe this is a spot where one of them looks funky. You've done well at listening at the funky things Toad has done this game up to this point haven't you dear. I don't know if you read thug life or not. I dunno how closely you read LXIII while hosting.
But I have had very good luck recently calling people town, often for strange reasons, and being correct. In most of those cases, it's not about the sum total of what happens, it's about a specific thing or couple things someone did, how they posted.
I'm going to trust I'm right for now on this one. You don't have to. But at the very least, this is something that has proven to work out, on the whole, well for me, so I'll stick with it until it doesn't.
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And if nothing else, kita has posted a "compelling" bit on sandroba's mafia play that implicates prome, or negates any argument that prome isn't mafia b/c sandroba.
Foolishness has posted on prome.
VE posted on prome.
There are a variety of D1/N1 things on prome.
If prome is mafia (fo sho), then toad and I can't BOTH be scum. So either I'm TOWN, and maybe wrong on toad, but legitimately think I'm right, or I'm MAFIA, and toad is town, and so I'm right even if it's for stupid reasons, and it should just make me look scummy.
But we're not both scum.
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On January 31 2014 01:25 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2014 01:19 austinmcc wrote:On January 31 2014 01:13 marvellosity wrote:On January 31 2014 01:10 austinmcc wrote:On January 31 2014 01:09 marvellosity wrote:kita can shimmer all he likes, i'll look at things in the order I think matters. In fairly obvious fashion, digging around at people will make kita's question easier to answer The reasons for Prome's Wave townread is the thing I'm talking about. Why do WoS and Toad find prome scummy? Do you agree with them/either of them? That can go on the list, please. If you're not mafia, one of them is, and maybe this is a spot where one of them looks funky. You've done well at listening at the funky things Toad has done this game up to this point haven't you dear. I don't know if you read thug life or not. I dunno how closely you read LXIII while hosting. But I have had very good luck recently calling people town, often for strange reasons, and being correct. In most of those cases, it's not about the sum total of what happens, it's about a specific thing or couple things someone did, how they posted. I'm going to trust I'm right for now on this one. You don't have to. But at the very least, this is something that has proven to work out, on the whole, well for me, so I'll stick with it until it doesn't. If we end up lynching Prome and he's mafia + you're town, we're gonna be in trouble at LYLO if you won't consider that your funky shit can't be wrong sometimes. The ironic thing being if you're mafia it makes Toad more likely to be town. And yes, I know you do this kinda funky stuff as town. For 95%+ of players a defence of someone like you've been doing reeks of "I know his alignment", but with you, not so much. reek reek, it rhymes with prome is mafia
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Alright, but I do think the kita question is valid, and I'm interested in the answer.
Given that I don't particularly trust you right now, and that prome is getting lynched today it seems (regardless of where your vote falls) and given that i don't THINK the other living players in this game trust you particularly much, I would prefer to see you answer kita's question, even if you think it's just combinatrics, rather than you figure out how you feel about prome.
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