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On January 26 2014 22:53 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2014 22:46 marvellosity wrote: Pretty unlikely, I'd say.
Partly because of the players in the game (sensible), partly because most of the time mafia ##bigplays are usually borne out of the situation at hand, not pre-planned/done randomly Alright 'cause my mind keeps wandering...and I worry that if Fool is town we may lose flat out because it means everyone has had the wrong train of thought all game. Who are your top 2 atm? Try me. I can only tell you you're stupid, after all.
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I kinda wish Prome wouldn't be absent so constantly, it makes me a little paranoid.
And +1 input is always just good anyways.
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well if the scumteam is prome/fool/sand, then i'll eat BH's hat.
And if it's prome/sand/x, it's just ridiculous that sand came into a delicate thread situation bussing Prome.
Doesn't make sense. So, since N1 more or less i guess.
I'd add that Prome has kinda afked as town before (## mafia)
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austin, for ignoring the Fool stuff day 1 and specifically not wanting to lynch into him on that day, and starting to want to sometime after the lynch. second=Prome, for full derp points. sandroba bussing Prome for no reason in particular, gonzaw makes a case on sand, austin jumps on (as mafia) thinking that a late switch won't happen and fool will get lynched, prome follows hapa for credit (he'll have seen hapa's vote already)
Dunno why i played this game :p
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Hey gonz. I'm guessing you buddy. I'm not feeling much better than earlier, dunno what anyone else's excuse is :p
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If you die, I'll have to lead town though. And I'm so enjoying just being a contributor for a change.
If Prome is mafia in the end, then this game isn't worthy of it's billing :<
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hey austin, no hard feelings buddy. Jeez :p
I would say, austin, that some of your last-man-standing type efforts have actually been some of the most unique things I've seen from TL mafia players. So while you may have a sprinkling of a point with your effort thingy, if you're extrapolating from yourself then I'm not sure that's a correct thing to do or expect ^^
I think the only person I've ever see post that many pages in one phase/cycle as mafia is rayn.
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There's no such thing as objectively scummy, really
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You've been paying for that with my suspicions on you ever since, probably.
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austin, question for you: do you think Fool's certainty on Wave is warranted?
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Funny thing is, gonzaw, you've been kinda terrible as mafia ever since then, when you were amazing... lol
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On January 27 2014 07:44 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2014 07:42 marvellosity wrote: austin, question for you: do you think Fool's certainty on Wave is warranted? No, I can't go that far. Especially with foolishness also being iffy on alignment at this point, but even if we knew he was town, I'd be less certain than Foolishness and unsure how foolishness can be so certain. I just have a love affair with the unpopular opinion, and so the one guy going "no, there are some legitimate reasons WoS could be/is scum" appeals to me, whereas, even if Gonzaw isn't, there HAVE been posts that purely equate WoS's filter length/effort with townieness. it's a lazy way of saying something. gonzaw gave reasons well enough. You could say "he has a massive filter and that is townie purely for effort". Or you can extrapolate a little and say "he has a massive filter and on balance his posting within this have left me feeling pretty good" or "he has a massive filter and his posts feel townie and i can't see him pushing an agenda"
Also in a vacuum, 95% of people who post that much in a phase/cycle are town. Now I pulled that figure right out my ass, but you get the idea. Oddly it's actually one of my weaknesses. rayn in ## was one of the few times i lynched a really active mafia, because in general i tend to find filter length a massive town indicator, and early in games I tend to go for quieter, lurkier scumplayers, and later in games i tend not to be alive.
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On January 27 2014 07:57 gonzaw wrote: Anyways, before the clock hits midnight, you guys have any thoughts about the shit I posted last page? Mostly about that stuff I said about Holy back on D1. Austin, do you still believe it doesn't really matter much? Marv, you used it as a good argument to think Holy was scum, then backed out when he made that "I sub out" post. After reading what I posted again, do you still think it's valid or not? It's perhaps a little less valid given the lynch and who was attacking him and who is/looks town now. But if you took that apart from anything else, it obviously makes toad/holy look worse, not better. Maybe it's happenstance, maybe it means something, but it's definitely not something that can possibly be construed as town.
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austin, you know that brainz thing is a big load of bullshit, right?
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yes I know. But *I* think that as far as reasons to think someone town go, that one's not such a hot one.
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On January 27 2014 12:55 kitaman27 wrote: I really wish I had thought to look at how he handles high pressure situations to draw the comparison to day one. bah. Maybe I'll take a look again with this in mind, but it's tough to warrant using the time that way if I'm not getting much return. I don't want to get to the point where I'm spending so much time that this game isn't fun anymore. Database shows 0/19 for town lynches. Fool is 0.5/19, really. I got him "lynched" in Personality 2 on Day 2, other than the fact his role was unlynchable (probably a safe choice, thought the hosts, as Fool never gets lynched as town. Alas). I'm not sure how useful this is though. Short run-down of events was: 1.Fool(town) sets a terrible trap for marv(town) which marv obligingly falls into 2.Fool therefore thinks marv is mafia 3.marv thinks Fool is mafia for using a terrible trap 4.marv&Fool rage at each other while mafia watch on and Fool gets lynched because marv shouts louder
I don't think it's that useful because in that case Fool thought his main antagonist was mafia, whereas here there's a few co-antagonists, some of whom at least he thinks are town, apparently. And also I was probably doing a good job of pushing his buttons that game.
Fool was pretty calm under pressure in the champions game (as mafia).
Going to slowly go over filters today while I'm at work. Normally I just like to play thread-reactive while I'm at work because it's just snippets of time, not sure how useful that is today tho (or who will be around anyways)
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Hey Toad.
On January 24 2014 08:45 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 06:59 Foolishness wrote:On January 23 2014 06:56 marvellosity wrote: Fool in brief.
Am I mafia? Is sand mafia?
Just based on likelihoods, doesn't need to be certain Yes Yes On January 23 2014 06:56 gonzaw wrote:So Foo. The contradiction I found against Holy made you think he was like 100% scum. Next time you come, you say "oh, Holy made that replacement post, maybe I'm overthinking this" and you keep going against Prome. Did Holy's post really convince you he's not that surefire scum you thought he was before? 1) To see how people would respond to it, but mostly to see how he responded. I quoted his first post (which is suspicious as I've already explained) so that you would know where I saw the evidence before I revealed my whole hand. You mean by calling you scum and tunneling you until your D1 lynch? Sounds like a great plan Foolishness! As I said, my posts always accomplish something (besides the one I posted before this cause you guys frustrate me to no end). You want to run wild theories that's fine by me, but I'm pretty sure you find less mafia than I do. Yes, HolyFlare lynch is good. There's no reason to do that despite actually thinking that the Prom lynch is tons better. Sounds very much like a (little bit) paranoid guy who's trying to get the best possible lynch he's seeing. Take into consideration that people were voting him as well and I see no reason for him to ever post like this.[as mafia (marv)]
On January 25 2014 07:45 Toadesstern wrote:He did mention BOTH Holy (aka me) and Sandro early, really early and he has been going on about it + Show Spoiler [example] +On January 23 2014 06:59 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 06:56 marvellosity wrote: Fool in brief.
Am I mafia? Is sand mafia?
Just based on likelihoods, doesn't need to be certain Yes Yes Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 06:56 gonzaw wrote:So Foo. The contradiction I found against Holy made you think he was like 100% scum. Next time you come, you say "oh, Holy made that replacement post, maybe I'm overthinking this" and you keep going against Prome. Did Holy's post really convince you he's not that surefire scum you thought he was before? 1) To see how people would respond to it, but mostly to see how he responded. I quoted his first post (which is suspicious as I've already explained) so that you would know where I saw the evidence before I revealed my whole hand. You mean by calling you scum and tunneling you until your D1 lynch? Sounds like a great plan Foolishness! As I said, my posts always accomplish something (besides the one I posted before this cause you guys frustrate me to no end). You want to run wild theories that's fine by me, but I'm pretty sure you find less mafia than I do. Yes, HolyFlare lynch is good. I find that post to be the prime example of this to be honest. So he thinks Sandro is mafia and very clearly states so, but doesn't vote him, he thinks marv is mafia, he thinks Holy is mafia and I guess he was on prome around that time already? That just doesn't make sense to me and yeah like you said he completly and utterly dropped both Holy and Sandro later on like nothing happened. Marv and Prom are understandable because they voted Sand but the Sand and Holy drops are weird. Could you tell me how your attitude towards the same post morphed so remarkably? It literally went from "i don't see how mafia can post this" to "this is a prime example (of something scummy) and this doesn't make sense to me"
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Toad what's your read on Wave? You seemed quite sure he was mafia one moment and then that kinda disappeared off into the ether when you started finding Fool pretty scummy. Now you're "looking into kita+fool because it's likely to be a decision between those 2 today"
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