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Look guys, I'm going to make this as simple as possible:
Hopeless is scum because when we had the best team suggested so far of Me/VE/Sentinel, his excuse for saying no was to throw lies against me and twist my words to give him some sort of justification to call me scum and disrupt the team. In my opinion, Hopeless saw that this team was all-town and he needed a decent reason to oppose it.
Now that this team failed, he immediately blamed Koshi without analyzing any of Koshi's posts or anything else. He doesn't even open up the possibility that Rayn could be scum. This would make sense from a scum perspective because if I was in scum Hopeless' position, I would attack the weakest target. It would be hard to fake a case on Rayn because he would tear things apart.
After saying Koshi is scum, he has not said anything to back it up. It's pretty obvious.
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On January 04 2014 02:26 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2014 02:18 Corazon wrote:
Look guys, I'm going to make this as simple as possible:
Hopeless is scum because when we had the best team suggested so far of Me/VE/Sentinel, his excuse for saying no was to throw lies against me and twist my words to give him some sort of justification to call me scum and disrupt the team. In my opinion, Hopeless saw that this team was all-town and he needed a decent reason to oppose it.
Now that this team failed, he immediately blamed Koshi without analyzing any of Koshi's posts or anything else. He doesn't even open up the possibility that Rayn could be scum. This would make sense from a scum perspective because if I was in scum Hopeless' position, I would attack the weakest target. It would be hard to fake a case on Rayn because he would tear things apart.
After saying Koshi is scum, he has not said anything to back it up. It's pretty obvious. And now that the team I was on failed, I've immediately said that the team I downvoted is probably all-town and needs to go today.
Why did it take until a team failing for you to figure it out? You're trying to get me off of your back.
It doesn't explain your 180 on me and your 180 on Koshi. If you were so sure about Koshi being scum, you wouldn't have voted yes for the team.
Right after the team failed, you should have looked at Koshi's filter and given reasons as to why it is Koshi instead of saying "Koshi is the spy". That is not a town mindset. It's you continuing to find someone to attack and throw shit on to say that you are participating in the game.
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On January 04 2014 02:47 Hopeless1der wrote:
Cora, did I say I flipped a coin or something? You've assumed I didn't read koshi's filter (I did). You never asked for reasoning, you just jumped the gun and said I'm full of shit at every turn.
I thought koshi was town, so I voted yes on the team. Then it failed. Ergo Rayn or Koshi (yes, or me, kthx) is scum. Rayn is not scum because have you read his filter recently? If thats scum rayn I don't want to win this game, he's fucking earned it. Ergo Koshi is scum.
Well I'll drop that point on you b/c I'm not going to convince you that you are scum.
It still doesn't explain your 180 on me and your 180 on me/VE/Sentinel. Your nay vote was terrible on that team and even worse given that you started flinging shit on me as your excuse.
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You were flinging shit at me! You came up with conclusions that made me look scummy that were far from the truth. Did you read any of my posts that I wrote in response to your accusations?
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On January 04 2014 03:15 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2014 03:10 Corazon wrote:
You were flinging shit at me! You came up with conclusions that made me look scummy that were far from the truth. Did you read any of my posts that I wrote in response to your accusations? Not a damn thing I said was false. You can claim misconstrued, misunderstood, difference of opinion etc. You cannot claim false because at the time I posted, I believed my opinion. My accusations were an opinion based on my observations. That is not flinging shit, that is playing the game. I have since changed my mind about you. I dont necessarily need to change your mind about me, but it would certainly make the game easier to win for us.
No. They were blatant lies aimed to give you an excuse for voting no to a good team.
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On January 04 2014 03:32 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2014 03:28 Corazon wrote:On January 04 2014 03:15 Hopeless1der wrote:On January 04 2014 03:10 Corazon wrote:
You were flinging shit at me! You came up with conclusions that made me look scummy that were far from the truth. Did you read any of my posts that I wrote in response to your accusations? Not a damn thing I said was false. You can claim misconstrued, misunderstood, difference of opinion etc. You cannot claim false because at the time I posted, I believed my opinion. My accusations were an opinion based on my observations. That is not flinging shit, that is playing the game. I have since changed my mind about you. I dont necessarily need to change your mind about me, but it would certainly make the game easier to win for us. No. They were blatant lies aimed to give you an excuse for voting no to a good team. We'll come back to this post game. You're going to eat your words.
Right after you ride the bench of all of the missions and town cruises to victory.
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Yeah this is basically the team I've been wanting to send, and I can't knock Grack for wanting to send himself.
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Care to explain your vote?
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Koshi, you were doing so well. Are you ever going to care about this game when you are not picking the team?
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Well I'm still pretty sure Hopeless is scum so I'm most likely going to reject any team that he throws down.
Sentinel, you are really leaning on your Grack scum read in your proposed team. Grack has to literally claim scum for your team to be a good one to submit. Otherwise, you are taking a blind risk and hoping that Grack was the one who sabotaged the mission.
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Koshi if you could put more effort in when it's not your turn to pick the team, I might feel like sending you on missions.
Thx babycakes
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I'm not entirely sure, but two things are confusing to me:
Why did Grack make his team and then vote No on it? The timing of his vote looks really suspicious because it was after his vote would not matter. Perhaps he could be try to distance himself from a mission he knew was going to fail?
Why did Sentinel immediately blame Grack for the sabotage? It looks especially weird because he voted yes to the team. I don't understand.
Also, CR's post really makes me feel like he knew the mission was going to end in failure.
In my opinion, I need to pick two out of these three to join hopeless as my proposed scum team.
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Looks like 2 turned into 3. XD
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On January 06 2014 08:52 Koshi wrote:
Is there a reason why VE is town? Shouldn't he carry more weight?
I haven't seen any scummy posts from VE. I just get a townie vibe from him. He looks like he is trying to solve the game and never has bouts of inactivity or lack of effort like a lot of other players here.
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On January 06 2014 08:56 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I stand by my proposition.
Why did you vote yes to your scumread's team?
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On January 06 2014 08:59 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2014 08:56 Corazon wrote:On January 06 2014 08:52 Koshi wrote:
Is there a reason why VE is town? Shouldn't he carry more weight? I haven't seen any scummy posts from VE. I just get a townie vibe from him. He looks like he is trying to solve the game and never has bouts of inactivity or lack of effort like a lot of other players here. dafuq??? He has 10 oneliners in the last 6 days??? Maybe 11.
So did CR, until his last post.
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At least I'm not confirmation biased...
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On January 06 2014 09:09 Koshi wrote:
VE hasn't committed on a single read, nor has he shown any interest at figuring out anybodies alignment.
At least he tries to play the game when it's not his turn to pick a team...
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"Yeah, I'll just throw my points in Cora's face and not give him any chance to respond. That'll show him"
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On January 06 2014 09:44 Chairman Ray wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2014 08:50 Corazon wrote:
I'm not entirely sure, but two things are confusing to me:
Why did Grack make his team and then vote No on it? The timing of his vote looks really suspicious because it was after his vote would not matter. Perhaps he could be try to distance himself from a mission he knew was going to fail?
Why did Sentinel immediately blame Grack for the sabotage? It looks especially weird because he voted yes to the team. I don't understand.
Also, CR's post really makes me feel like he knew the mission was going to end in failure.
In my opinion, I need to pick two out of these three to join hopeless as my proposed scum team. Of course I knew the mission was going to end in failure. I explained why in my post. In a 5-4 pass vote where three yay votes are from outside the mission, the mission is guaranteed to fail. Do you understand this logic?
Why didn't you spend your time trying to convince people it was bad instead of writing some long and hard to follow post? You're not being proactive at all this game.
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