I agree, i'd prefer hopeless make a re-appearance soon. What i'm mulling over though is that if I did have a spy on this mission, wouldn't I have more people pushing this along, with some gusto even? I don't see that happening here.

Adam4167

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December 29 2013 01:14 GMT

#234

On December 29 2013 10:11 Hopeless1der wrote:
I'm around, adam you gonna let this fail or lock in a yay?

Frankly I am not sure.

I'm torn between my arrogance in thinking I have the right team, my paranoia that maybe I've got it wrong and my desire for more time and discussion and to look at more votes.

Adam4167

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December 29 2013 01:35 GMT

#238

On December 29 2013 10:23 Hopeless1der wrote:
welll i'll say this in favor of you being town adam: you didnt just lock in your yay vote when there was no substantial reason not to. After all, you proposed your team. If you are having reservations about me or rayn, what might they be?

Well, your activity was a little lower than I was hoping. But I guess I shouldn't throw stones in a glass house.

Rayns down vote was for a shit reason, but why would he downvote the team if he was scum? That doesn't really make sense.

Then there's Koshi, coming back, doing a backflip on his reads and yay voting my team through, when I thought he was scum. Why would he do that if he were scum and this was an all town team like I think? If i'm wrong about him, then I have to be wrong about a few others because things aren't making sense.

Chairman Ray gives me pause in that he voted yes, yet has given zero reads on anyone on the team and I don't even see a post saying why he went yes over no.

Grack saying my team looked good earlier in the day, then no voting it and declaring he was going to vote no to any team proposed today makes me question anything coming out of him.

Adam4167

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December 29 2013 01:39 GMT

#239

On December 29 2013 10:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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No i wouldn't. I don't trust you, especially after your comment on the top of the current page.

You don't like the fact that I want to take extra time to make sure I don't fuck this up?

Why

This ultimately rests in my hands, as I have the swing vote and I want to make sure i'm making the right decision.

Adam4167

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December 29 2013 01:47 GMT

#243

On December 29 2013 10:41 Corazon wrote:

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Why are you only being cautious now as opposed to being cautious when you picked a team?

Because I picked my two strongest town reads at the time when I made my team..? Why would I need to be cautious about that? Things have happened since then, and with that new information, I am less sure, as the people voting with me are not the people I expected to be doing so when I made this team.

Adam4167

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December 29 2013 01:53 GMT

#244

On December 29 2013 10:46 Grackaroni wrote:
What do you think is going on with Koshi Rayn?

It all made sense for Koshi-scum and Rayn-town, right up until they both voted the complete opposite I expected them to. Now I have no fucking clue.

I don't feel confident enough in this to send this team right now. We have 4 more chances after this one, so lets err on the side of caution and use them.

Balls in your court, VE.

Adam4167

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December 29 2013 23:22 GMT

#311

On December 30 2013 05:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Adam4167 - I really do not like the fact Adam down-voted his own team, which in his opinion should be all town as he picked it. I would like him to fully explain the thoguht process behind doing so. To me it makes no sense he first says "ofc ima vote yay", then argues that the team is all town when it meets resistance and proceeds on down-voting it.

Here is why I down-voted my own team:

I place a huge emphasis on winning this first day as its almost an automatic win. We're running on a 3,4,4,5(2),5 setup day structure. We win the first day, then all we have to do is take that winning team and add one more townie to it, and then send that team on day 2 and again on day 3. So it is simple. We win day 1, find a single townie not on the that team, and the game is over.

If I can recognize this, then I assume many others can as well, including the scum team. They literally cannot afford to just throw the first day and let 3 townies go on the mission. So when I have giant questionmarks over people such as Koshi Chairman Ray, and they come out and yay vote my team through with shaky or non-existent reasoning, that makes me very suspicious that I've made a mistake somewhere.

I want to take the extra cycles to solidify my reads and make I make the right call.

Adam4167

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December 30 2013 01:29 GMT

#315

VE, you seem to have given your thoughts on everyone else in this game one way or another, yet for me its 'null' early on D1 with a downvote, and apparently I'm not in your theorized scum team.

Basically, what I want to know is, what is your current read on me? What are your thoughts on me passing my own team? If your scum team is correct, then why did both Koshi and Chairman Ray vote yay yesterday?

Adam4167

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December 31 2013 02:33 GMT

#366

On December 31 2013 05:08 VisceraEyes wrote:

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Well maybe later on it's a good question. Right now it's just meaningless conjecture and WIFOM.

And there you go, discrediting me for asking the right questions.

The reason I asked you that question yesterday is because your scum team literally fails to explain the votes on day one and you don't seem to be looking at the game logically at all. I challenge your logic and now you call it meaningless conjecture and WIFOM. You say that you're not entirely sold on grack and I could be the 3rd scum with koshi and CR, when I was the first person to call Koshi out and subsequently say I'd downvote any team including him when people we're starting to call him town. If I back out of my own team with Koshi voting yes, and I downvote any team including him, what the hell is my game plan with that scum team? To play against my win condition and troll my team?

You are not making any sense, you are not thinking logically about the game. I vote nay on this team.

Adam4167

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December 31 2013 03:03 GMT

#370

Rayn, I nay voted my own team yesterday largely because I became unsure about you. You downvoted because you said I refused to discuss or vote my own team. As explained earlier, I didn't feel there was anything TO discuss at the last point when I was in the thread. Then you objected to me taking my time to think through the decision, I made a snap call because of the closing deadline and me needing to go to work and downvoted the team because I wanted to see what you were going to do on subsequent days. This on top of the questionable votes that I've touched on was enough for me to say fuck it and stop the team.

With more thought, you have no reason to downvote the team as scum there. If you're scum, just send the team, fail it and dump the mess on me. Chances are I backed out of a winning team yesterday. Which means that the scum team would be VE, Grack and Cora due to their votes. Which means Koshi and CR are town, and VE suggested a team with his scum teammate on it. I don't like that conclusion either.

I'll do a full reread tonight and try and make some sense of this. I'm off to work now.

Adam4167

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December 31 2013 03:36 GMT

#375

On December 31 2013 12:13 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:

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Wouldn't the bolded still imply CR/Koshi could be guilty since they sent the team, and could have been trying to set you up for failure?

Phoneposting. That's only possible if one of hopeless or Rayn are scum to sabotage the mission.

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