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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 12 2014 08:56 GMT
#1079
I know, that's what's fucked up in PM games. Noone does anything in thread. That's what i was trying to say early on in the game but apparently noone gives a shit.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 12 2014 09:16 GMT
#1081
I do, do you have any reason for calling people out for making general statements and then following it up with statements like:

"And then there's the eight or so other lurkers."
and
"Of the active players I reckon at least most are town."

??
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 12 2014 09:28 GMT
#1084
On January 12 2014 18:22 Aquanim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2014 18:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I do, do you have any reason for calling people out for making general statements and then following it up with statements like:

"And then there's the eight or so other lurkers."
and
"Of the active players I reckon at least most are town."

??

Well for starters I'd appreciate it if you say where I "called people out for making general statements". I remember calling JAT out for "having no commitments regarding any reads at all in his entire filter" which is not at all the same thing.

Also, everybody makes some general statements, including me. I've also made some not-general statements. What exactly is your point?

I also can't help but notice that you haven't really answered my question. Would you care to correct that?

Interesting. I don't see a single clear read from you in thread. If there is some, could you point me out to one? All i see you say about other people is "they might be town or scum". And yes i answered your question. You asked me if i have a reason to think VE is town and i said i do.

Do you have a reason to think VE is mafia?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 12 2014 09:40 GMT
#1089
So how about you share the read on VE in thread so we can discuss it? You know, it's highly likely one of or yamato is going to be mayor and it would help we get information about who is mafia in your opinion, because apparently it seems like in your opinion i am on the wrong track.

I am going to go re-read JAT because from what i remember your statement does not hold water, and taking JAT's meta into account this looks like just about his townplay.

What do you think of Xatalos btw?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 12 2014 09:45 GMT
#1091
Mocsta go irc?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 12 2014 09:59 GMT
#1093
So do you think this is unreasonable? This is about your reads post i talked about earlier:
<VisceraEyes> I don't really like it - his problem with Obvious is something obvious, and his problem with justanothertownie is that he's acting like justanother townie. And he complains about lurkers.
<VisceraEyes> But what I really don't like about it is that he later asks me what I think of it...as if I should already be aware of his stance on justanothertownie, when he states quite literally that those reads are about as firm as his null read of someone else.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 12 2014 10:01 GMT
#1095
On January 12 2014 19:00 yamato77 wrote:
Since I won't be here after this point, I feel confident placing the lynch in Rayn's hands.

Could you PM / post your top scumreads and reasoning before you go please?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 12 2014 10:05 GMT
#1096
Mocstaa... where are you, come to irc, i need to talk to you!!
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 12 2014 10:20 GMT
#1100
On January 12 2014 19:05 Aquanim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2014 18:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So do you think this is unreasonable? This is about your reads post i talked about earlier:
<VisceraEyes> I don't really like it - his problem with Obvious is something obvious, and his problem with justanothertownie is that he's acting like justanother townie. And he complains about lurkers.
<VisceraEyes> But what I really don't like about it is that he later asks me what I think of it...as if I should already be aware of his stance on justanothertownie, when he states quite literally that those reads are about as firm as his null read of someone else.

Well. I gave my problems with Captain Obvious the thread space they deserved, which was about a sentence. It's not like I'm screaming for a policy lynch of him - just gave my opinion of him.

And why shouldn't VE be aware of my stance on justanothertownie? The conclusion of my clash with JAT is literally on the same page as where I asked him that question. Is he not reading the thread or something?

For that matter, why shouldn't I ask VE for his opinion on a read I'm pushing?

I question the purpose of VE raising any of those points.

Because you don't really have a stance. You call JAT out for not posting reads. Why is JAT a scumread when about 80% of the game has not posted a single read?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 12 2014 10:29 GMT
#1103
I am lynching Derrida.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 12 2014 10:40 GMT
#1106
I don't understand why this is this hard. There are a fuckton of people who have been present but done "no scumhunting".
Why is JAT scum over suchdoge, marvellosity, WoS, Mocsta, Koshi, etc.. Why you need to single out JAT and not other people?

Having a scumread on him because he hasn't done shit is okay, but why him and not those others?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 12 2014 10:59 GMT
#1108
On January 12 2014 19:55 Aquanim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2014 19:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't understand why this is this hard. There are a fuckton of people who have been present but done "no scumhunting".
Why is JAT scum over suchdoge, marvellosity, WoS, Mocsta, Koshi, etc.. Why you need to single out JAT and not other people?

Having a scumread on him because he hasn't done shit is okay, but why him and not those others?

Talked with marv and mocsta in PMs and I'm confident they're thinking about the game, hoping someone else who actually wants to deal with suchdoge in PMs will read him, have a slight townread on WoS (and he's pushing suchdoge, anyway, so your characterisation is inaccurate here), and I don't like Koshi's play so far either but I'll get to him later.

If I tried to push eight lurkers at once I wouldn't get anywhere. By pushing JAT alone I've drawn reactions from him and others and moved the thread forward.

(Before you ask, I'm not telling you everything I've learned from pushing JAT. Deal with it.)

You still haven't explained why you think VE's town.

Talked with VE in IRC and I'm confident they're thinking about the game.
How was this not obvious when i flipped my stance in ~30min with no posts from VE at that time? Like do you think at all what reads between the lines?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 12 2014 11:04 GMT
#1111
On January 12 2014 20:03 Aquanim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2014 19:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 12 2014 19:55 Aquanim wrote:
On January 12 2014 19:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't understand why this is this hard. There are a fuckton of people who have been present but done "no scumhunting".
Why is JAT scum over suchdoge, marvellosity, WoS, Mocsta, Koshi, etc.. Why you need to single out JAT and not other people?

Having a scumread on him because he hasn't done shit is okay, but why him and not those others?

Talked with marv and mocsta in PMs and I'm confident they're thinking about the game, hoping someone else who actually wants to deal with suchdoge in PMs will read him, have a slight townread on WoS (and he's pushing suchdoge, anyway, so your characterisation is inaccurate here), and I don't like Koshi's play so far either but I'll get to him later.

If I tried to push eight lurkers at once I wouldn't get anywhere. By pushing JAT alone I've drawn reactions from him and others and moved the thread forward.

(Before you ask, I'm not telling you everything I've learned from pushing JAT. Deal with it.)

You still haven't explained why you think VE's town.

Talked with VE in IRC and I'm confident they're thinking about the game.
How was this not obvious when i flipped my stance in ~30min with no posts from VE at that time? Like do you think at all what reads between the lines?

I don't trust your reads enough to take your word for it. If you won't show me your evidence, you're not going to convince me. Not showing me your evidence is your prerogative, I suppose, but you're hardly going to convince me to change my mind on your say-so.

And why should i trust your word? I literally quoted what you said about yuor town reads and changed names lol..
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 12 2014 11:06 GMT
#1113
You are like the definition of uncooperativeness and wishy-washyness and you use same logic to not give out reads that you use on other people saying they should give out reads.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 12 2014 11:09 GMT
#1116
On January 12 2014 20:06 Aquanim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2014 20:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 12 2014 20:03 Aquanim wrote:
On January 12 2014 19:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 12 2014 19:55 Aquanim wrote:
On January 12 2014 19:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't understand why this is this hard. There are a fuckton of people who have been present but done "no scumhunting".
Why is JAT scum over suchdoge, marvellosity, WoS, Mocsta, Koshi, etc.. Why you need to single out JAT and not other people?

Having a scumread on him because he hasn't done shit is okay, but why him and not those others?

Talked with marv and mocsta in PMs and I'm confident they're thinking about the game, hoping someone else who actually wants to deal with suchdoge in PMs will read him, have a slight townread on WoS (and he's pushing suchdoge, anyway, so your characterisation is inaccurate here), and I don't like Koshi's play so far either but I'll get to him later.

If I tried to push eight lurkers at once I wouldn't get anywhere. By pushing JAT alone I've drawn reactions from him and others and moved the thread forward.

(Before you ask, I'm not telling you everything I've learned from pushing JAT. Deal with it.)

You still haven't explained why you think VE's town.

Talked with VE in IRC and I'm confident they're thinking about the game.
How was this not obvious when i flipped my stance in ~30min with no posts from VE at that time? Like do you think at all what reads between the lines?

I don't trust your reads enough to take your word for it. If you won't show me your evidence, you're not going to convince me. Not showing me your evidence is your prerogative, I suppose, but you're hardly going to convince me to change my mind on your say-so.

And why should i trust your word? I literally quoted what you said about yuor town reads and changed names lol..

I'm not asking you to take my word for my reads on Marv and Mocsta. If you're unwilling to share your conversation with VE, then say so and stop wasting my time.

It's not my fucking job to prove VE is town to you. It's your job to prove he is mafia if you think so.
Stop wasting my time, stop flip-flopping and tell who is mafia. Is JAT mafia or do you trust oter people's opinion on him? Cut the crap and say what you think.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 12 2014 15:19 GMT
#1215
What does marv's logs with VE / suchdoge have to do with anything?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 12 2014 15:20 GMT
#1217
##unvote:
##Vote: marvellosity


Looks like we have one candidate again. Let dem scum get running. I don't like a lot of shit that's happened since marv announced his candidateness.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 12 2014 15:32 GMT
#1219
he has been townie. Like i have told you every time you have asked..
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 12 2014 15:36 GMT
#1222
On January 13 2014 00:34 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2014 00:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
he has been townie. Like i have told you every time you have asked..


Reads can change over time. What do you think of our debacle?

I don't understand, what do you mean? Your and marv's?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 12 2014 15:42 GMT
#1225
Wait what, when did yamato say so? That's entirely incorrect.
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