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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 12 2014 14:26 GMT
#1201
What's suchdoge's scumclaim?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 12 2014 14:35 GMT
#1205
On January 12 2014 23:26 marvellosity wrote:
lol

amazing.


Sorry if I insulted you, but something like nitpicking on my wording of "PM'ing a lot" is just... bad. I think you're still probably town, but I trust rayn more than you.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 12 2014 14:40 GMT
#1206
Might as well vote for rayn then...

##Unvote
##Vote raynpelikoneet
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 12 2014 14:45 GMT
#1208
On January 12 2014 23:40 marvellosity wrote:
you know it's rayn who pushed you as suspicious to me originally?


I know he suspected me earlier, but his reasoning was a lot more valid. Not "he's not sending me enough PM's", "he's saying ..but... in some reads" or "his wording of "PM'ing a lot" is super suspicious!". Instead it was related to me not paying enough attention to comparing thread/PM discussions, which was a reasonable thing to pressure for. It's been also more reasonable to discuss with him.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 12 2014 14:54 GMT
#1212
On January 12 2014 23:50 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2014 22:47 Xatalos wrote:
thrawn:

It's actually been a while. We haven't been in contact after the start of the day.

Would you care to share your reasoning for having me in your "naughty list"? I agree with Derrida and Koshi though. Derrida opened with an easy-to-fake and useless listpost, has had zero interest in finding scum, has similarities with his last scumgame and now folds under pressure. Koshi has played so lazy and useless that he's probably not town. He's capable of much better. Only thing I'm unsure about is that he played a very active scumgame in Nuclear Winter Mafia, and he was very hard to catch, but here he's almost too scummy.

I'm puzzled by suchdoge's disappearance as well as VE's PM behaviour. VE hasn't answered my PM's and apparently suspects marv/Mocsta in his PM's with Aquanim, yet shares no reasoning. Have you PM'd with VE?

BH is almost certainly a Mason or even if he isn't, a fakeclaim will be found out later on. So I guess my suspicions about BH are pretty much useless to talk about now.

Original Message From thrawn2112:
Hi again, I'd like an up to date version of your thoughts on the game, and am wondrin if you have any reads you'd like to talk about?


Like all your reads are like this


That's nitpicking again. If I'm genuinely unsure about some player, what's the point in saying that there's nothing pointing to town? In Koshi's case that "but" is related to an earlier PM discussion I had. I was pretty convinced he's scum, but some doubt lingered - mostly because of meta.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 12 2014 14:55 GMT
#1213
Mocsta, where did suchdoge claim scum?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 12 2014 15:07 GMT
#1214
Btw marv, you still didn't post your logs on VE+suchdoge. I'd like to see them.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 12 2014 15:30 GMT
#1218
On January 13 2014 00:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What does marv's logs with VE / suchdoge have to do with anything?


There could be something useful in there considering neither of them have done much in-thread. Also marv not providing them is weird. Why not?

You're confident that marv is town? What has he been like in PM's with you?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 12 2014 15:34 GMT
#1220
On January 13 2014 00:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
he has been townie. Like i have told you every time you have asked..


Reads can change over time. What do you think of our debacle?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 12 2014 15:41 GMT
#1223
On January 13 2014 00:35 Koshi wrote:
Hi Xatalos. Why am I a good player on D1?


I've only played with you when you've been scum and I've thought you were town every time. yamato convinced me that your play is fitting for lazy scum so far. Are you often this passive as scum?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 12 2014 15:41 GMT
#1224
On January 13 2014 00:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2014 00:34 Xatalos wrote:
On January 13 2014 00:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
he has been townie. Like i have told you every time you have asked..


Reads can change over time. What do you think of our debacle?

I don't understand, what do you mean? Your and marv's?


Yes, how did it affect your read on me/marv?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 12 2014 15:44 GMT
#1228
On January 13 2014 00:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Wait what, when did yamato say so? That's entirely incorrect.


Original Message From yamato77:
Players don't always play the same way as mafia from game to game.

Basically, mafia will do the least they can get away with most of the time.

The more important question for me is, why would town Koshi play as he is?

Original Message From Xatalos:
Yeah, it's easy to hide for scum if a large group of players are inactive both in thread and PM's. It's pretty easy to at least semi-confirm players as town through PM's. It's a real pain to fabricate PM conversations as scum and that's why I prefer playing as town in a PM game.

Koshi hasn't really done anything, but he was playing a very active/townish scum in Nuclear Winter Mafia. Has he played like this as scum?

Original Message From yamato77:
Actually I'd probably lynch Koshi over Derrida, because Koshi's a player I know is capable of decent play, yet he's completely opting out of playing the game entirely.

Like I said, it's those types of players I will be lynching into, because there's too many to just let them all live.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 12 2014 15:45 GMT
#1229
On January 13 2014 00:43 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2014 00:07 Xatalos wrote:
Btw marv, you still didn't post your logs on VE+suchdoge. I'd like to see them.

I have no interest in posting them


...? What's the use in hiding info?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 12 2014 15:48 GMT
#1231
On January 13 2014 00:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What marv says about you is correct. That's what you do as scum.


..You mean the "...but.." thing, the "PM a lot" thing or the "you haven't been PM'ing me lately" thing? I disagree on everything except I agree that I do say "...but..." as scum, but I do so as town too, so...
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 12 2014 20:38 GMT
#1326
VE, is there a reason you haven't responded to any PM's?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 13 2014 07:18 GMT
#1631
GG... Meta is an annoying thing. And PM's so hard to fake.

As a sidenote, I never lied about that PM stuff I was accused of (rayn etc.).
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
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