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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
December 18 2013 19:43 GMT
#3314
Ah, yeah, that is an inconsistency. It's also worth noting that at the time Grack claimed, we had a wagon rolling on mafia xatalos and he claimed

1) a check on a dead guy
2) an SK check on a guy who's not the mafia we lynched

which is pretty much the most useful claim for scum to make.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
December 18 2013 19:45 GMT
#3315
I actually think there's also a non-trivial chance, btw, that both plutarch AND grack are lying.

The scumteam shot Plutarch, the nk-immune SK, and so they know he's the SK. They can only kill him with a lynch. Grack claims cop with an SK check on Plu. We lynch Plu, he flips SK, now we all think Grack is the cop. Grack claims a redcheck on someone else, wam bam thank you ma'am ez win for scum

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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
December 18 2013 19:48 GMT
#3318
yeah rayn is town for thinking this through

at least there's no chanc ethat both grack AND plu are town so there's that
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
December 18 2013 19:49 GMT
#3319
On December 19 2013 04:48 Plutarch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2013 04:45 Blazinghand wrote:
I actually think there's also a non-trivial chance, btw, that both plutarch AND grack are lying.

The scumteam shot Plutarch, the nk-immune SK, and so they know he's the SK. They can only kill him with a lynch. Grack claims cop with an SK check on Plu. We lynch Plu, he flips SK, now we all think Grack is the cop. Grack claims a redcheck on someone else, wam bam thank you ma'am ez win for scum



I got medic protected twice in a row. But sure If I'm still alive and I don't catch the serial killer by lylo then town should consider lynching me.


oh, I didn't see the crumbs. I just assumed the medics were protecting me, the confirmed town and best player in this game, but I could be wrong
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
December 18 2013 19:54 GMT
#3323
On December 19 2013 04:51 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Rayn and BH. You do both agree that if there's no counterclaim, we kill Plu correct?


depends
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
December 18 2013 19:55 GMT
#3324
On December 19 2013 04:51 Plutarch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2013 04:49 Blazinghand wrote:
On December 19 2013 04:48 Plutarch wrote:
On December 19 2013 04:45 Blazinghand wrote:
I actually think there's also a non-trivial chance, btw, that both plutarch AND grack are lying.

The scumteam shot Plutarch, the nk-immune SK, and so they know he's the SK. They can only kill him with a lynch. Grack claims cop with an SK check on Plu. We lynch Plu, he flips SK, now we all think Grack is the cop. Grack claims a redcheck on someone else, wam bam thank you ma'am ez win for scum



I got medic protected twice in a row. But sure If I'm still alive and I don't catch the serial killer by lylo then town should consider lynching me.


oh, I didn't see the crumbs. I just assumed the medics were protecting me, the confirmed town and best player in this game, but I could be wrong


Lol Blazinghand how about the third best player in the game at best. Clearly you aren't even reading the thread. Hue.


am best player
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
December 18 2013 19:57 GMT
#3327
so where are theese medic crumbs?
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
December 18 2013 19:59 GMT
#3330
On December 19 2013 04:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2013 04:57 Blazinghand wrote:
so where are theese medic crumbs?

Holyflare's crunb was quite clearly pointed out at some point. About kush idk.


yeah i'm mor ethinking about last night, I figured I was the one protected as the conftown and best player in game
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
December 18 2013 20:00 GMT
#3332
On December 19 2013 04:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Grack on the other hand crumbed his checks after he did them.
What say you o'wise Blazinghand; proper way to crumb?


when I play DT, I have this philosophy:
rolecrumb is meaningless
actioncrumb is meaningless
resultcrumb is meaningful, it should be very very soon after the start of the day

it is the only good philosophy, other philosophies are bad
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
December 18 2013 20:00 GMT
#3333
On December 19 2013 05:00 Plutarch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2013 04:57 Blazinghand wrote:
so where are theese medic crumbs?

Go read holyflares filter. I didn't actually see a crumb from kush but as I know scum shot me twice and I know I am vanilla town I know he medic protected me.


you got informed that scum shot you?
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
December 18 2013 20:02 GMT
#3335
On December 19 2013 05:01 Plutarch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2013 04:59 Blazinghand wrote:
On December 19 2013 04:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 19 2013 04:57 Blazinghand wrote:
so where are theese medic crumbs?

Holyflare's crunb was quite clearly pointed out at some point. About kush idk.


yeah i'm mor ethinking about last night, I figured I was the one protected as the conftown and best player in game


Sorry blazinghand but you are not the best player in the game. Why do you keep saying that. It is annoying.


you were informed that scum shot you?
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
December 18 2013 20:04 GMT
#3337
On December 19 2013 05:03 Plutarch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2013 05:00 Blazinghand wrote:
On December 19 2013 05:00 Plutarch wrote:
On December 19 2013 04:57 Blazinghand wrote:
so where are theese medic crumbs?

Go read holyflares filter. I didn't actually see a crumb from kush but as I know scum shot me twice and I know I am vanilla town I know he medic protected me.


you got informed that scum shot you?


No. Please read the game. I read through Xatalos' filter and he says something like. "Well as the medic is dead scum are going to kill plutarch tonight"


So you don't know that you got shot, you have the word of a dead scum player to back up the possibility that you were shot.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
December 18 2013 20:06 GMT
#3341
On December 19 2013 05:04 Plutarch wrote:
I'v posted all the reasoning behind these assumptions already.


So last night there's no evidence that kush actually saved you, and WIFOM-ey evidence that Xatalos' team shot you. This seems more to indicate that you're the SK (as grack says he checked you) than anything else.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
December 18 2013 20:07 GMT
#3343
On December 19 2013 05:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Presuming Xatalos didn't try to WIFOM us by wanting Rayn/Plutarch shot and leaving BH alive, I'd say that makes Xigxag look slightly better in terms of not being scum because BH was the only one interested in actively pushing his policy lynch. Opinions?


XigXag has a pretty good chance of flipping town. I strongly recommend against lynching him. We're past the time for a policy lynch; we missed our opportunity. If he's scum, we lose, if he's town, we have a chance to win. That's all we can do.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
December 18 2013 20:07 GMT
#3344
On December 19 2013 05:06 Plutarch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2013 05:04 Blazinghand wrote:
On December 19 2013 05:03 Plutarch wrote:
On December 19 2013 05:00 Blazinghand wrote:
On December 19 2013 05:00 Plutarch wrote:
On December 19 2013 04:57 Blazinghand wrote:
so where are theese medic crumbs?

Go read holyflares filter. I didn't actually see a crumb from kush but as I know scum shot me twice and I know I am vanilla town I know he medic protected me.


you got informed that scum shot you?


No. Please read the game. I read through Xatalos' filter and he says something like. "Well as the medic is dead scum are going to kill plutarch tonight"


So you don't know that you got shot, you have the word of a dead scum player to back up the possibility that you were shot.


I think it is pretty obvious. Xatalos said that scum were shooting plu before he was caught. Then scum misses their second shot and xatalos whinges about medics being OP and tries to coordinate my death AGAIN with the sk.


Or you're the SK.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
December 18 2013 20:09 GMT
#3349
On December 19 2013 05:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2013 05:07 Blazinghand wrote:
On December 19 2013 05:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Presuming Xatalos didn't try to WIFOM us by wanting Rayn/Plutarch shot and leaving BH alive, I'd say that makes Xigxag look slightly better in terms of not being scum because BH was the only one interested in actively pushing his policy lynch. Opinions?


XigXag has a pretty good chance of flipping town. I strongly recommend against lynching him. We're past the time for a policy lynch; we missed our opportunity. If he's scum, we lose, if he's town, we have a chance to win. That's all we can do.

You wouldn't even want to lynch him if everyone else looks townier than him and he stays (near-)afk?


I'd want to lynch him, for sure. It's a hard call to make. But at this point we have bigger fish on the table. There is 1+ scum between grack and plutarch; that situation demands our attention. It's entirely plausible that Plutarch is town, and same for Grack. Let's talk about them. Talk about them. Talk about them. Let's talk about them. Talk about Plutarch and Grack

Let's talk about Plutarch and Grack. At least one of them is scum

One of Plu and grack is scum. let's talk about them.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
December 18 2013 20:11 GMT
#3352
On December 19 2013 05:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2013 05:09 Blazinghand wrote:
On December 19 2013 05:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On December 19 2013 05:07 Blazinghand wrote:
On December 19 2013 05:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Presuming Xatalos didn't try to WIFOM us by wanting Rayn/Plutarch shot and leaving BH alive, I'd say that makes Xigxag look slightly better in terms of not being scum because BH was the only one interested in actively pushing his policy lynch. Opinions?


XigXag has a pretty good chance of flipping town. I strongly recommend against lynching him. We're past the time for a policy lynch; we missed our opportunity. If he's scum, we lose, if he's town, we have a chance to win. That's all we can do.

You wouldn't even want to lynch him if everyone else looks townier than him and he stays (near-)afk?


I'd want to lynch him, for sure. It's a hard call to make. But at this point we have bigger fish on the table. There is 1+ scum between grack and plutarch; that situation demands our attention. It's entirely plausible that Plutarch is town, and same for Grack. Let's talk about them. Talk about them. Talk about them. Let's talk about them. Talk about Plutarch and Grack

Let's talk about Plutarch and Grack. At least one of them is scum

One of Plu and grack is scum. let's talk about them.

I already see plenty of talk on them and all these scenarios flying around. I think flips will give us a lot of clarity. If Plutarch flips then the decision is already made. If he doesn't, then presuming a CC comes we'll have so much more information then than we do now that I see little reason to speculate about it right now. If no CC comes that's a ton of information too.


There's one scum within Plutarch and Grack. Talking about them now forces people (like you) to stake out positions before the flips / check results.

We should talk about plu and grack
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
December 18 2013 20:12 GMT
#3353
On December 19 2013 05:11 Plutarch wrote:
If I am town and get lynched would town lose?


barring some weird cases with like scum and sk shooting each other I believe so, yes.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
December 18 2013 20:15 GMT
#3358
On December 19 2013 05:14 Plutarch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2013 05:12 Blazinghand wrote:
On December 19 2013 05:11 Plutarch wrote:
If I am town and get lynched would town lose?


barring some weird cases with like scum and sk shooting each other I believe so, yes.


How convenient for a fake claiming cop. if town wasn't in MYLO this would not be worth it for scum to fake claim.


yeah in general I am in favor of lynching Grack, even if he's not counterclaimed
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
December 18 2013 20:24 GMT
#3377
in any case grack's story doesn't really seem to add up so yeah he's probably scum
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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