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JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
December 12 2013 15:17 GMT
#1544
On December 12 2013 13:40 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2013 07:02 VayneAuthority wrote:
To be clear we don't have time to waste on alakaslam now so I'm ignoring him from now on scum or not. Real game starts after the flip tomorrow, see you then.
So when you said this:
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On December 10 2013 09:15 VayneAuthority wrote:
I would rather enjoy myself and lose then not enjoy it, hence why I am voting you alakaslam, scum or not. I do not care about lynching scum if im not having fun in the first place, that comes first.
what did you mean exactly?

I guess now you don't care about having fun?

Would like an answer to this Vayne. And why haven't you @ least been arguing for a vig to shoot @ Slam during this night phase?
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
December 12 2013 15:41 GMT
#1550
Actually Cora, I'm confused. I thought you had HF as a scumread. You did in ur notes @ least. How can he be confirmation biased then?

If you really think HF is scum then why would you be pissed off that he's trying to get you lynched? How would you like him to act?
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
December 12 2013 15:58 GMT
#1554
On December 13 2013 00:43 Holyflare wrote:
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On December 13 2013 00:41 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Actually Cora, I'm confused. I thought you had HF as a scumread. You did in ur notes @ least. How can he be confirmation biased then?

If you really think HF is scum then why would you be pissed off that he's trying to get you lynched? How would you like him to act?


That's why he is scum and knows that I am town.
If I didn't just play a game w/ cora where he played the scummiest game I've ever seen a townie play I'd say that he was practically confirmed scum @ this point.

I just can't get past the fact that this is just how he plays as town. Does anyone have a scum game of his I can check out?
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
December 12 2013 16:32 GMT
#1558
Yeah I only skimmed it but I don't think it really tells me anything since it doesn't look like he was pressured all that much that game. Just leaning slightly on the scummy side on him for now. Still gonna want to lynch Vayne tomorrow (assumming we don't have a vig that thinks likes me)
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
December 12 2013 16:43 GMT
#1560
On December 13 2013 00:58 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I just can't get past the fact that this is just how he plays as town.

JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
December 12 2013 16:44 GMT
#1561
I would like to hear how he addresses that though. Cause yeah, it's pretty bad.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
December 12 2013 17:26 GMT
#1579
On December 13 2013 01:54 Corazon wrote:
Why don't you actually read the bullshit that HF writes instead of just nodding your head and agreeing. Read it.
Who's nodding their head and agreeing? I thought I was having a good discussion w/ HF.

It's not bullshit what he's writing. You do realize that if he is scum all your doing is making him look better for wanting to lynch you. You need to engage in an actual discussion and refute or explain the points against you.

On December 13 2013 01:54 Corazon wrote:
If I said right now that HF was scum, you guys would say that I am OMGUSing. When you say that it's weird I call him confirmation-biased, you are putting me into a box.
OK, then explain why you're so pissed off at him? Scum need to get townies lynched. You do understand that right?

On December 13 2013 01:54 Corazon wrote:
Do you guys think I'm an asset to town with my usual play?
Well I've only played one game w/ you so far and I think I made it pretty clear that I've never seen a townie be less of an asset then you were in that game.

An asset doesn't get pressured and say "Just vote me out. I'm done". Notice in that last game that I got mislyched. Did I act like a giant douche? No, I spent the last few hours of the day making cases and trying to help give the town direction after my flip. Yeah I was somewhat angry. But I still played to my wincon to the best of my ability.

If you are town, please change your playstyle.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
December 12 2013 17:53 GMT
#1584
On December 13 2013 02:44 Corazon wrote:
I thought my notes were up to page 21 but I guess I forgot to count the 4 pages that happened when I went to Tae Kwon Do (inbetween taking notes and the Xatalos case).
The Xalatos Case was on page 18.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
December 12 2013 18:26 GMT
#1590
On December 13 2013 03:01 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2013 02:53 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On December 13 2013 02:44 Corazon wrote:
I thought my notes were up to page 21 but I guess I forgot to count the 4 pages that happened when I went to Tae Kwon Do (inbetween taking notes and the Xatalos case).
The Xalatos Case was on page 18.

What does that have to do with anything?

Well holy questioned why cora said he took notes up to page 21 when he only had the notes up to 17. Cora said he forgot about the 4 pages between then and his Xala case. But the case was on page 18.

Not a huge deal but it's worth mentioning since it is curious how he got the number 21.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
December 12 2013 18:34 GMT
#1592
Cora, I read the post. I thought what I mentioned is worth commenting on. I even said it wasn't a huge deal.

U need to chill the F out.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
December 12 2013 18:59 GMT
#1595
On December 13 2013 03:36 Corazon wrote:
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On December 13 2013 03:34 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Cora, I read the post. I thought what I mentioned is worth commenting on. I even said it wasn't a huge deal.

U need to chill the F out.

So you have zero reaction to anything else I've said? Thanks....
What do you want me to say? I think it's good that you're actually trying to discuss the points brought up against you. Do you want praise for playing the game the way it should be played?

It's not like I'm the one making the case against you.


On December 13 2013 03:36 Corazon wrote:
And while I have you here, was there ever a point in D1 where you thought Spag was town? It seemed like you were very set on Spag's lynch until Vayne made his contradictory post. After that, you didn't mention anything about Spag. Can you walk me through your process of switching votes from Spag to VA?
Yes, I made very clear that I believe Vayne scumslipped that Spag was town. And I also figured that all the vote switching off of Vayne to Spag meant that spag was town. Here's some of the points I made:
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On December 12 2013 03:36 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Also, I think this is a slip:
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On December 12 2013 02:29 VayneAuthority wrote:
On December 12 2013 02:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 12 2013 02:20 VayneAuthority wrote:
On December 12 2013 02:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 12 2013 02:14 VayneAuthority wrote:
I have one goal today and one goal only. If you think I would help town get rid of alakaslam as scum I can't help you.

That's actually quite an interesting comment Vayne.
What you very well know is that even if Slam doesn't get lynched he will most likely get shot on N1. Why would you not help get rid of him as scum, regardless of his alignment?


On December 11 2013 13:10 VayneAuthority wrote:
Considering the decent resistance in this game at the day 1 stage I would say there is actually a decent chance for him to flip scum combined with the points I have already made. There is quite a group of people that have pretty much ignored him altogether, which is what I usually do. I would like a better reason on why we shouldn't lynch him besides "lol vigi" because we all know nobody uses their vig shots like that; they always end up being hero vig shots.


I've already pretty much answered all of this

In this game the thread sentiment actually suggests vigi's WILL shoot useless people. Let's consider a scenario where you are scum.

If Slam is scum you:
1) can reasonably assume a vigi will shoot him on N1 anyways so
2) when you lynch him instead you gain towncredit
3) even if you don't succeed, you gain town credit when he flips red
4) you don't need to contribute anything useful

If Slam is town you:
1) can't be held responsible for anything scummy because it's a pro-town thing to suggest a policy lynch on him anyways
2) you don't need to contribute anything useful

So, why again is it unreasonable to assume you would vouch for his lynch as mafia?


because I would never, ever help town get rid of somebody so detrimental to town. He adds another scumplayer to my team, why would I want to get rid of him ever? I could just sheep you on spag or something dumb like that. I know exactly what it looks like.



Then when rayn calls him out about it, he says:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2013 02:33 VayneAuthority wrote:
On December 12 2013 02:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 12 2013 02:29 VayneAuthority wrote:
On December 12 2013 02:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 12 2013 02:20 VayneAuthority wrote:
On December 12 2013 02:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 12 2013 02:14 VayneAuthority wrote:
I have one goal today and one goal only. If you think I would help town get rid of alakaslam as scum I can't help you.

That's actually quite an interesting comment Vayne.
What you very well know is that even if Slam doesn't get lynched he will most likely get shot on N1. Why would you not help get rid of him as scum, regardless of his alignment?


On December 11 2013 13:10 VayneAuthority wrote:
Considering the decent resistance in this game at the day 1 stage I would say there is actually a decent chance for him to flip scum combined with the points I have already made. There is quite a group of people that have pretty much ignored him altogether, which is what I usually do. I would like a better reason on why we shouldn't lynch him besides "lol vigi" because we all know nobody uses their vig shots like that; they always end up being hero vig shots.


I've already pretty much answered all of this

In this game the thread sentiment actually suggests vigi's WILL shoot useless people. Let's consider a scenario where you are scum.

If Slam is scum you:
1) can reasonably assume a vigi will shoot him on N1 anyways so
2) when you lynch him instead you gain towncredit
3) even if you don't succeed, you gain town credit when he flips red
4) you don't need to contribute anything useful

If Slam is town you:
1) can't be held responsible for anything scummy because it's a pro-town thing to suggest a policy lynch on him anyways
2) you don't need to contribute anything useful

So, why again is it unreasonable to assume you would vouch for his lynch as mafia?


because I would never, ever help town get rid of somebody so detrimental to town. He adds another scumplayer to my team, why would I want to get rid of him ever? I could just sheep you on spag or something dumb like that. I know exactly what it looks like.

Fair enough, just wanted to be sure what you meant.
Are you suggesting Spaghetticus is town?


Yea he was one of the first to want to lynch Slam so I have him as town until further notice.


A few moments earlier when kush asked him what he thought of spag and cora, he refused to answer. Why not say you have a townread on someone that is picking up votes? It only became something he was willing to discuss to cover up his slip.


and yes I realize that this likely makes spag town.

On December 12 2013 05:30 JarJarDrinks wrote:
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On December 12 2013 05:11 purpletrator wrote:
before slam gets too far, active lurkers (theres gotta be like 10 of us), who is scummier, cora or spag?
I haven't thought cora was scummy all game. But I have to admit, something feels off about this whole notes thing. He asks "Do you want to see them?" and then he's all: Uh I don't have em w/ me. I'll be very curious to see them as well.

I really don't like all this movement to Spag as soon as Vayne has the vote lead. Pretty sure scum is trying to keep vayne alive. Which would make spag town.

On December 12 2013 05:38 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2013 05:35 Alakaslam wrote:
On December 12 2013 05:30 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On December 12 2013 05:11 purpletrator wrote:
before slam gets too far, active lurkers (theres gotta be like 10 of us), who is scummier, cora or spag?
I haven't thought cora was scummy all game. But I have to admit, something feels off about this whole notes thing. He asks "Do you want to see them?" and then he's all: Uh I don't have em w/ me. I'll be very curious to see them as well.

I really don't like all this movement to Spag as soon as Vayne has the vote lead. Pretty sure scum is trying to keep vayne alive. Which would make spag town.

They are scum together. I can switch to vayneauthority I it would make you comfortable but believe me spag is scummier. Vayneauthority might just be SK actually.
Vayne basically scumslipped that Spag is town. A Scum Vayne means that Spag is p much confirmed town.

JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
December 12 2013 19:06 GMT
#1598
On December 13 2013 04:03 Corazon wrote:
Ok, fair enough JJD. So you want a Vayne lynch D2?
Very much so.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
December 12 2013 19:40 GMT
#1601
On December 13 2013 04:07 Corazon wrote:
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On December 13 2013 04:06 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On December 13 2013 04:03 Corazon wrote:
Ok, fair enough JJD. So you want a Vayne lynch D2?
Very much so.

Good, good. In the event a Vayne lynch doesn't happen, who would you be ok lynching?
IDK who my #2 is right now. There's a few people I wouldn't mind lynching but none nearly as much as Vayne. And a red vayne means the day 1 lynch gives us a ton of info.

I haven't really been crazy about purple this game. He'd probably be a good lynch.

And I can't get over Kush voting spag after defending him a whole bunch. But other than that I've mostly thought he was ok this game

Also, I thought sidespring was scummy early game and all he's done since then is lurk.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
December 12 2013 19:48 GMT
#1602
How about u cora? Who do you wanna lynch tomorrow? What's ur take on the people I mentioned?
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
December 12 2013 20:25 GMT
#1606
On December 10 2013 06:02 Corazon wrote:
If you are town and you are lurking, expect to be under the gun during the game and expect me to not be very nice to you post-game. I will be weighing activity a lot heavier in my voting decision this game than I have in the past. You all are warned. If you are going to take a sieste the entire time and not participate, I am going to be on you until you do so.

......
On December 13 2013 05:07 Corazon wrote:
I do agree that sidespring needs to contribute more but I do how he explained his vote. His explanation for voting Vayne was a lot better then a lot of other explanations for votes. I'd like to give him a chance.


Wow you really let him have it. U realize he has like 10 posts this game?

I find it funny how u rant and rave like a madman @ anyone that calls you scummy. But ur sweet as pumpkin pie to a lurker when you put all lurkers on notice @ the start of the game.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
December 12 2013 20:38 GMT
#1611
On December 13 2013 05:31 Corazon wrote:
I love how you yell at me for getting mad at people yet get mad at me when I don't agree with you.

How am I mad at you and what are u not agreeing w/ me about?
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
December 12 2013 20:40 GMT
#1614
and FWIW cora, I did like ur scumread post. Some of it mirrors my thoughts.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
December 12 2013 20:46 GMT
#1619
On December 13 2013 05:40 JarJarDrinks wrote:
and FWIW cora, I did like ur scumread post. Some of it mirrors my thoughts.
Specifically about purple and a little about Xatalos. HF is pretty town to me so I definately dont agree w/ you there. NOt sure about the grack case. Gonna reread him.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
December 12 2013 20:59 GMT
#1632
On December 13 2013 05:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Jar why do you think Kush is okay other than voting for Spag? He's intentionally made himself very difficult to read, which can only correspond with a scum agenda.

I don't think scum would come out an say "I'm doing a lurk strat this game".

I thought his push on bumatlarge was very genuine (speaking of which, bum is another person I wanna look closer @)

I thought how he voted for me and unvoted me after rereading my filter seemd pretty natural as well.

I just haven't seen anything that I'd call scummy...EXCEPT the whole voting for spag thing. That's just so bad and almost negates everything else.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
December 12 2013 21:06 GMT
#1643
On December 13 2013 05:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Holyflare the Medic has been shot by an ass-bullet!

does this mean he was vig shot?
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