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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 10 2013 12:42 GMT
#634

I see you "don't like" Artanis either. Do you think he's less scummy than purple?

What about Corazon?

What's the purpose of this? If you have read my filter and know who's my vote on you'd know the answers to these questions. Also what do you think of Grackaroni's answer to my case on purple?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 10 2013 12:53 GMT
#644
On December 10 2013 21:50 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2013 21:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I see you "don't like" Artanis either. Do you think he's less scummy than purple?

What about Corazon?

What's the purpose of this? If you have read my filter and know who's my vote on you'd know the answers to these questions. Also what do you think of Grackaroni's answer to my case on purple?


Your vote is on purpletrator, so I'd assume you think he's the scummiest. What I meant to say is: what's your opinion on Artanis and Corazon at the moment?

Hmmm. I don't really understand what Grackaroni is saying. Apparently he means to refute your case by saying it's obvious.......... Well, I guess he means that it's just stating the obvious and not much of a case. Weird to randomly point that out though. And why would being obvious make a case "weak", I really wonder.

My thoughts on Artanis have not really changed since i last posted them (after the "i don't like him" post).
I agree with what Plutarch said about Corazon as i said, i don't think anything else in his posting is scummy.

Grackaroni basically does not even address my case because it's not about if purple is clueless or not. That's scummy as hell.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 10 2013 12:59 GMT
#650
On December 10 2013 21:55 Plutarch wrote:
Is it wrong to be paranoid about scum rayne right now?

Yeah it is, but elaborate plz.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 10 2013 13:04 GMT
#655
On December 10 2013 22:00 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2013 21:55 Plutarch wrote:
Is it wrong to be paranoid about scum rayne right now?


Well, I think he's certainly being more productive than he was in GoT Mafia (as Mafia). There he was mostly just distracting and hindering the discussion. I guess his string of posts about my meta is a bit like that, but there are also valid points in that (unlike most of what he talked/spammed about in GoT).

I'm still slightly paranoid after GoT, though.

Could you elaborate more on that because afaik i did never try to "distract people's read on you" as you seem to be implying here. I was not calling you scum for what i posted. I was calling out people who gave an incorrect meta-read on you.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 10 2013 13:07 GMT
#657
On December 10 2013 22:02 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2013 21:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 10 2013 21:50 Xatalos wrote:
On December 10 2013 21:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I see you "don't like" Artanis either. Do you think he's less scummy than purple?

What about Corazon?

What's the purpose of this? If you have read my filter and know who's my vote on you'd know the answers to these questions. Also what do you think of Grackaroni's answer to my case on purple?


Your vote is on purpletrator, so I'd assume you think he's the scummiest. What I meant to say is: what's your opinion on Artanis and Corazon at the moment?

Hmmm. I don't really understand what Grackaroni is saying. Apparently he means to refute your case by saying it's obvious.......... Well, I guess he means that it's just stating the obvious and not much of a case. Weird to randomly point that out though. And why would being obvious make a case "weak", I really wonder.

My thoughts on Artanis have not really changed since i last posted them (after the "i don't like him" post).
I agree with what Plutarch said about Corazon as i said, i don't think anything else in his posting is scummy.

Grackaroni basically does not even address my case because it's not about if purple is clueless or not. That's scummy as hell.

That is the entirety of your case. You said he had a shitty reason for a vote/unvote. He thinks that LSB not reading his comment somehow makes LSB scum and that LSB wanting him to reveal his identity is scummy. I agree that his vote is stupid. That is all that you have shown. dumb does not always equal scum.

My case on purple is that his interactions with LSB have no intention in proving his towniness or figuring out LSB's alignment. You certainly are misrepresenting the case intentionally or do not understand it.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 10 2013 13:08 GMT
#659
Should i be worried when people call me scum because i have not done anything scummy?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 10 2013 13:16 GMT
#668
On December 10 2013 22:13 Plutarch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2013 22:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Should i be worried when people call me scum because i have not done anything scummy?


You played like this in persona 4. that is what I am worried about I guess.

Afaik i was town in that game and not really, no, i did not play like this.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 10 2013 13:19 GMT
#670
On December 03 2013 12:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No worries Bereft i played like shit.

On December 03 2013 12:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I promise i will never be this bad in a mafia game ever.

On December 03 2013 16:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2013 16:48 yamato77 wrote:
It's really depressing to me that the two players who need to learn the most are both convinced they did nothing wrong.

If you are referring to me i do know exactly what i did wrong.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 10 2013 13:21 GMT
#672
On December 10 2013 22:20 Plutarch wrote:
Catch 22. Is the game I meant.

Well if you think i am playing like in that game you have no worries as i will still lynch scum on D1.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 10 2013 13:23 GMT
#676
The plot thickens marv, someone will soon find out who you are.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 10 2013 13:24 GMT
#677
On December 10 2013 22:22 Grackaroni wrote:
sell your case Rayn.

I think my case is pretty clear and i think you should comment on my conclusions instead of the posts i quote.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 10 2013 13:30 GMT
#680
Plutarch what's the point of your paranoia posts?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 10 2013 13:32 GMT
#681
##Unvote
##Vote: Grackaroni
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 10 2013 13:36 GMT
#684
On December 10 2013 22:34 Plutarch wrote:
Nothing much really. just thinking aloud mostly. Clearly you are very townie right now.

What do you think about this sheep train of distrust rayn?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 10 2013 13:48 GMT
#692
On December 10 2013 22:42 Plutarch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2013 22:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 10 2013 22:34 Plutarch wrote:
Nothing much really. just thinking aloud mostly. Clearly you are very townie right now.

What do you think about this sheep train of distrust rayn?


We aren't going to lynch you. You are too big of an asset as town to even think about lynching you for at least 2 days. So i'm not worried. If people try and lynch you I will talk sense into them. Your cases make sense. I wouldn't be worried if I was you.

As to the sheeping. Townies sheep at least as often as scum.

I'm not worried about getting lynched because i don't get lynched if i don't want to (i.e. when i stay level-headed). I am worried about people trying to affect my level-headness by spreading distrust on my alignment without any reason to do so while having a "reasonable" meta-reasoning to "wonder if this is in fact town rayn".
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 10 2013 13:55 GMT
#699
On December 10 2013 22:49 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2013 22:43 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 10 2013 22:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On December 10 2013 22:34 Grackaroni wrote:
Ok then.
##Vote: Raynepelikoneet

Are you scumclaiming?

Rayn has a shitty vote (target someone for being dumb), when I explain to him that its shitty he makes no effort to convince me and instead tells other people I am scummy for shutting down his dumb case. I won't be surprised if he is scum and if he is town then he can go lose.


GRACK how is his case bad in any shape or form?

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On December 10 2013 13:12 purpletrator wrote:
@xata
My initial read of LSB was that he was scum for throwing a shitty vote down and only following up when rayn pointed it out. He said how he never noticed my offer to reveal my identity, which I didnt think was townie mentality. If he'd seen it and just ignored it, then sure whatever hes just trolling. But to neglect to read the guy your voting, when his post was literally 1 above yours? That seemed messed up to me. On reading his PYP filter he does similar things where he misses key points in peoples posts. I dont want to go into detail because that game is ongoing.



This post alone could just be an entire case and it would be fine, I've highlighted the relevant bit for you (yes all of it). Purple states that his vote on LSB was because he was neglecting to read posts about the target he was on. He then justifies his unvote by saying that he has read an ongoing game - where he does NOT know LSB's alignment - and he does the same thing. What logical thought process is that?

TL:DR
He does not know LSB's alignment in PYP so how can he unvote based on that game unless he knows his alignment in this one.

It's not even a matter of if he knows LSB's alignment in that game. Whatever his alignment in PYP is if he does something he did there in this game it does not make him any alignment here. If he does "miss key points in posts" as town, he could as easily miss them as scum and vice versa.

It's a weak ass backpedal from a vote that was weak-ass in the first place (as i clearly pointed out in my case).
The whole interaction between purple and LSB does not make any sense because nothing purple says is can't evolve into an alignment indicative answer from LSB and he does not even give a clear read on LSB after the interaction. He is not interested in finding out LSB's alignment -> what's the point of the conversation?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 10 2013 13:58 GMT
#704
On December 10 2013 22:55 kushm4sta wrote:
Maybe he does know LSB's alignment?? really inappropriate for anyone to talk about that game at all.

That's another point, as i said. You can't even say if you agree/disagree with his meta-read....
How fucking stupid is that?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 10 2013 14:10 GMT
#714
On December 10 2013 23:01 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2013 22:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 10 2013 22:49 Holyflare wrote:
On December 10 2013 22:43 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 10 2013 22:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On December 10 2013 22:34 Grackaroni wrote:
Ok then.
##Vote: Raynepelikoneet

Are you scumclaiming?

Rayn has a shitty vote (target someone for being dumb), when I explain to him that its shitty he makes no effort to convince me and instead tells other people I am scummy for shutting down his dumb case. I won't be surprised if he is scum and if he is town then he can go lose.


GRACK how is his case bad in any shape or form?

On December 10 2013 13:12 purpletrator wrote:
@xata
My initial read of LSB was that he was scum for throwing a shitty vote down and only following up when rayn pointed it out. He said how he never noticed my offer to reveal my identity, which I didnt think was townie mentality. If he'd seen it and just ignored it, then sure whatever hes just trolling. But to neglect to read the guy your voting, when his post was literally 1 above yours? That seemed messed up to me. On reading his PYP filter he does similar things where he misses key points in peoples posts. I dont want to go into detail because that game is ongoing.



This post alone could just be an entire case and it would be fine, I've highlighted the relevant bit for you (yes all of it). Purple states that his vote on LSB was because he was neglecting to read posts about the target he was on. He then justifies his unvote by saying that he has read an ongoing game - where he does NOT know LSB's alignment - and he does the same thing. What logical thought process is that?

TL:DR
He does not know LSB's alignment in PYP so how can he unvote based on that game unless he knows his alignment in this one.

It's not even a matter of if he knows LSB's alignment in that game. Whatever his alignment in PYP is if he does something he did there in this game it does not make him any alignment here. If he does "miss key points in posts" as town, he could as easily miss them as scum and vice versa.

It's a weak ass backpedal from a vote that was weak-ass in the first place (as i clearly pointed out in my case).
The whole interaction between purple and LSB does not make any sense because nothing purple says is can't evolve into an alignment indicative answer from LSB and he does not even give a clear read on LSB after the interaction. He is not interested in finding out LSB's alignment -> what's the point of the conversation?

I don't understand why you would reasonably expect somebody who gives an accusation of, "he didn't see my post? Now I know the truth. He is not trolling; he is scum" to make a lot of posts that would be helpful in finding out others alignment.

Because he is a smurf! He's supposed to know how to play this game! People who are supposed to know how to play this game do not as town:
1) Ask questions / make arguments that do not contribute towards scumhunting.
2) Reason their reads / voting / unvoting with something noone is not even allowed to question or with something they are not even allowed to talk about more themselves and that is btw bullshit and non-alignemnt indicative.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 10 2013 14:29 GMT
#717
On December 10 2013 23:19 Xatalos wrote:
rayn, comment on this. Do you think what Artanis is saying makes any sense?

I think what he says about Cora's posting makes sense.
I don't understand you two going against each other because both of yours original reasons were not good imo and now it has turned into an OMGUS war from what it looks like to me. You are both kinda missing the point and arguing about something that's clearly not alignment indicative.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 10 2013 14:37 GMT
#720
I mean:
  • Artanis saying Xatalos is scum for flinging shit left and right (could also be townie seeking for information)
  • Xatalos saying Artanis is scum for his read on Cora and inconsistancies in his read on Xata (when imo the only thing that could be alignment indicative in Cora's posting is what Plutarch pointed out - and while i think Artanis' read on Xata is based on false assumptions that cannot be proven to make him scum as his read makes sense regarding the thought process - it could make Xata scum but impossible to prove)

To me it looks like you are both missing the original point and arguing about something that is already explained by the other one of you and i don't think what you are arguing about makes either of you scum.
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