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Alrighty
I've been getting some bad vibes lately, and I've been trying to watch closely. After last night, there were a few key points that make me really think VE is scum.
Lynch the Lurkers
VE is pushing his plan on to others. The problem is, you don't resort to Lynch All Lurkers if you have people you think are likely scum. Does VE try and find people who are scum? Not really at all. He had/has? a read on LSB, but gave up on it to lynch bum. He claims it to be real life time constraints. I don't doubt you have things going on IRL, VE, but that doesn't excuse you from searching for scum when you are here.
Instead, you're just like "hey guys, I wanna kill the lurkers, ok? ok"
Marv accusations
This post:
On December 06 2013 13:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm thankin marv was scum. Like I didn't wanna say it when he was in the game but he's not now and I think his slot is probably scum. Disqus.
No, VE. This is not acceptable. "I thought marv was scum back then, but now that he's not here to defend himself or pose an actual threat, I'mma come out an say it"
Especially coming from someone I consider a vet, this is awful.
Self proclomation of towniness
On December 06 2013 13:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
And scum are done shooting at me guys don't worry. N1 was an abberation. Now I'm scummy enough to lynch, stop protecting me.
This is funny to me, because getting shot did make you seem a bit townier. I've been on the fence with you for a while, but this particular event made me lean towards town rather than towards scum. But now you're scummy enough to lynch? This doesn't follow logic.
It also coincides with Mig's quote:
On December 05 2013 13:17 Mig wrote:
This close to confirms VE as town, and pretty much 100% confirms him if ticklish is town. For VE to take over 250 dmg either multiple townies with large kp roles had to have shot him (unlikely considering he claimed to pick lux) or mafia tried to kill him. The fact that mafia only killed one person last night just adds to this.
Now, I'm concerned about Mig already because of him shooting Jonny and claiming he didn't. And while I somewhat agreed with his point, it seems...odd. Almost like it was set up to look this way.
VE's play doesn't line up with what I would expect from him. Even if he does have things going on in life, he does show up to "play", but doesn't do what he should be. He resorts to a very easy "let's shoot into the lurkers policy". I agree that the amount of lurkers are a problem, but it's so easy for scum to motivate this, and then be like "oops, well he was a lurker, we didn't know!" if the lurker flips green.
##vote: VisceraEyes
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On December 06 2013 23:54 austinmcc wrote:
soniv, do you disbelieve VE's claim of taking a solid amount of damage?
Oh, no, he probably did take damage, and ticklish healed him, correct?
Unless both ticklish and VE are in bed together (ticklish is Taric...), which is possible, but seems a bit convoluted right now.
On December 06 2013 23:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
jcarlsoniv is either scum or has no idea what's going on in this game.
We are not lynching VE.
It's fine if he doesn't get lynched today, but I don't trust him and I think he's scum.
I'm still happy killing gtrsrs today, but people seem to want to let him slide. I'm willing to let my ego go a bit on geript for now - trying to back off and clear my perspective on him.
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On December 07 2013 00:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2013 23:58 Mocsta wrote:
ve is not getting lynched
hes lux ffs
the parity cop His role does not make him town. Picking parity cop as scum is good because you deny a strong town role (inv), there is a hidden ability in the role so you are not useless and you gain town credit because of your pick in the first place. The thing is Koshi is gonna invent an item that publicly outs all reports on D3 (tracker/watcher/cop/etc.) and it proves VE has actually copped people and not done something else. If he has not copped people then he is scum, if he has he is town.
Well, it's possible for him to use his check both nights to cover bases (his other role is claimed to be a laser snipe, so he wouldn't be using that as far as we know) and still be scum.
Is such an item from Koshi allowed by the mods? (do we know this?)
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On December 07 2013 00:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No jcarl, it's not possible. It's dumb and VE is not dumb.
Lol why is it not possible?
I agree that VE isn't dumb, and that's exactly why I would expect something like that if he were a scum parity cop.
Scum have yet to lose a member, so it would be incredibly easy to bus one (especially a lurker one) to gain town cred.
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On December 07 2013 00:20 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2013 00:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No jcarl, it's not possible. It's dumb and VE is not dumb. Lol why is it not possible? I agree that VE isn't dumb, and that's exactly why I would expect something like that if he were a scum parity cop. Scum have yet to lose a member, so it would be incredibly easy to bus one (especially a lurker one) to gain town cred.
Or even better:
If Koshi makes the item you expect, a scum parity VE could check you (since you're essentially confirmed town), and some town lurker (or otherwise questionable town player). He would know who to look at, he would get his parity check off, and gain town cred.
But there's a problem. He's charging his laser, aiming at lurkers, and his trigger finger is getting itchy. How long are we able to rely on him using his parity check before he blows his laser and shoots some bitches? If he's town, he has to keep using that parity check. It's the only thing we can rely on for information that we know of. (or at least, that I know of)
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On December 07 2013 00:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2013 00:29 jcarlsoniv wrote:On December 07 2013 00:20 jcarlsoniv wrote:On December 07 2013 00:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No jcarl, it's not possible. It's dumb and VE is not dumb. Lol why is it not possible? I agree that VE isn't dumb, and that's exactly why I would expect something like that if he were a scum parity cop. Scum have yet to lose a member, so it would be incredibly easy to bus one (especially a lurker one) to gain town cred. Or even better: If Koshi makes the item you expect, a scum parity VE could check you (since you're essentially confirmed town), and some town lurker (or otherwise questionable town player). He would know who to look at, he would get his parity check off, and gain town cred. But there's a problem. He's charging his laser, aiming at lurkers, and his trigger finger is getting itchy. How long are we able to rely on him using his parity check before he blows his laser and shoots some bitches? If he's town, he has to keep using that parity check. It's the only thing we can rely on for information that we know of. (or at least, that I know of) He needs to have checked someone already on N1. If the check as published comes back as "X checked Y - came back same/different" then we know he has checked someone on N1. If the check comes back as "X checked Y - came back null" then he has not checked anyone on N1. You are suggesting VE picked a parity cop as mafia, has another ability, but instead of using that he claims the ability and uses only the ability that does not help mafia in any way. That's fucking bullshit.
I understand how the publisher thing would work. And I wouldn't be surprised if he used you as a night 1 check for control purposes - even by then you were pretty much confirmed town.
And I don't know what you're seeing as bullshit. He himself has said that he wants to use his laser to clear out lurkers. What I'm saying is that it's pretty easy to fake being town as Lux because, having claimed it, you would be expected to use your check on the first two nights at the very least.
So unless someone has alignment checked him and he's confirmed town, I don't trust him. You even just said that just being parity cop doesn't make you town.
On December 07 2013 00:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2013 23:58 Mocsta wrote:
ve is not getting lynched
hes lux ffs
the parity cop His role does not make him town. Picking parity cop as scum is good because you deny a strong town role (inv), there is a hidden ability in the role so you are not useless and you gain town credit because of your pick in the first place. The thing is Koshi is gonna invent an item that publicly outs all reports on D3 (tracker/watcher/cop/etc.) and it proves VE has actually copped people and not done something else. If he has not copped people then he is scum, if he has he is town.
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On December 07 2013 01:15 Roffles wrote:
Oats has been riding my dick cause he has nothing better to do than throw his votes away on someone of little relevancy.
He never makes a case, only says to other people, "Why not lynch Roffles?" over and over.
But really...Why not kill Roffles?
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On December 07 2013 01:27 Roffles wrote:I CAN DO THE SAME THING. LYNCH ROFFLES. LOOK AT ME IM USEFUL
But really, do you have any intentions to play the game?
I know you're a trolly kinda dude, but I at least expected some effort in game.
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On December 07 2013 01:39 Roffles wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2013 01:38 supersoft wrote:On December 07 2013 01:37 supersoft wrote:On December 07 2013 01:36 Roffles wrote:On December 07 2013 01:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
where's your vote on Roffles, Roffles? If it makes you happy, I'll vote for myself.  Back to stealth. wtf. let me get this straight. You think if you just act way too scummy you may survive? It's not what I think. It's what you think. I leave my fate in your hands now.
sigh
There is no reason a town player would play like this. Ever.
You're either scum or you're third party.
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On December 07 2013 01:57 ticklishmusic wrote:
I'm curious about the interaction or lack thereof between Austin And jcarlsoniv. Both under heavy fire hut in like parallel universes
I'm under heavy fire? O_o
I haven't commented much on austin because I haven't personally done a whole lot to look into him. All I have to work on is the cases people have made.
I have said that there are valid points on both sides, the one sandro (I think?) made on austin's case of Rean which used the wrong meta arguments stands out in my mind.
But something doesn't sit right with the situation, and I couldn't tell you what it is. This is why I haven't taken a solid stance one way or the other.
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On December 07 2013 02:01 ticklishmusic wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2013 01:57 ticklishmusic wrote:
I'm curious about the interaction or lack thereof between Austin And jcarlsoniv. Both under heavy fire hut in like parallel universes ebwop both def seem scummy to me, but why havent they even tried to redirect attention to each other? by making a good case on the other, they could have shown their towniness AND pushed a lynch on someone else simultaneously. almost seems like a noob mafia mistake to me, or just strange AF
Lol what?
-I'm not actually afraid of being lynched
-Why would I "redirect a case" onto someone who I don't necessarily think is scum?
Redirecting a case onto a different wagon in no way shows towniness. Like, not even a little.
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On December 07 2013 02:25 sandroba wrote:
MZ you ain't reading the game. If you want to not be lynched you better get to it. Mig only claimed because chez somehow said he was cho and targeted JL. Please read the thread.
Which was countered by MarvMcFuba, right?
His only 2 game relevant posts were saying that he thinks that the damage done to JL was not Mig.
So I would love some clarity by both Chez and MarvMcFuba.
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On December 07 2013 03:02 Chezinu wrote:
So, LSB why do you think I'm Twisted Fate?
I'm not sure his specific reasoning, but Twisted Fate has the ultimate to reveal the enemy team (5 players?) on the map.
I think it's a logical conclusion based on what we've gotten from you so far. If this is the case, I'm assuming that you can only use it once.
There wasn't any damage associated with your ability, was there?
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On December 07 2013 03:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So Chezinu now you are acting anti-town.
You should be lynched if Koshi dies on N2.
Does Koshi need protecting tonight?
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On December 07 2013 03:13 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2013 03:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 07 2013 03:11 jcarlsoniv wrote:On December 07 2013 03:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So Chezinu now you are acting anti-town.
You should be lynched if Koshi dies on N2. Does Koshi need protecting tonight? I'll take care of that. I use the lightning rod on him. All other protective roles should protect assets like sandroba/VE etc.. VE? why?
because he's parity cop, and we need information if we can get it and have it confirmed
I don't really want to protect him though ~_~
Might depending how I feel by the end of the day.
Rayn, you want to use lightning stick, but what if you're roleblocked?
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On December 07 2013 03:18 Chezinu wrote:
Guys, its just twisted fate that I'm like twisted fate.
Are you able to use your ability again?
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On December 07 2013 03:21 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2013 03:19 jcarlsoniv wrote:On December 07 2013 03:18 Chezinu wrote:
Guys, its just twisted fate that I'm like twisted fate. Are you able to use your ability again? How can I possibly waste a mafia roleblock by answering a question like that?
Fair enough.
I just gotta figure out where to toss my lantern tonight.
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On December 07 2013 04:06 ticklishmusic wrote:
If we assume that either austin or M_Z is scum, it breaks into two scum teams pretty nicely I think.
Oh? And what are these two scum teams?
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On December 07 2013 04:08 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2013 04:06 ticklishmusic wrote:
If we assume that either austin or M_Z is scum, it breaks into two scum teams pretty nicely I think.
Oh? And what are these two scum teams?
ticklish, if you don't give an answer to this in the very near future, I'm going to assume you're full of shit
spoiler alert
+ Show Spoiler +I already think you're full of shit
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