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On December 04 2013 15:18 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 15:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:MZ what do you think of this: I wonder what's up with the fact that VE in fact IS a highly influential player and capable of pushing lynches. Yet he did not try to push LSB lynch but still seemed to think LSB was a better lynch than bum. Do you think VE is just lazy or does he have some other agenda of not really wanting to lynch LSB? For me it didn't really seem like he was trying to lynch his top read. yeah I agree with you actually. I had my vote on LSB and iirc there were a few others as well, if VE had really wanted to get a LSB lynch going (and that's what you usually do with your scumread), I would have expected to see a lot more out of VE to secure a lynch that imo should have gone through over bum. Saying he had an agenda is basically calling him scum imo so idk if I'd go that far to say he purposefully avoided it but it is strange. fyi I read jcarl's filter and I don't have much to add, bum said some great stuff and I would not at all be opposed to a jcarl lynch but I feel LSB and geript possible are gonna be better lynches for tomorrow. Where did your D1 magic VE read evaporate to?
Where is foundation to lynch Geript built?
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On December 04 2013 15:38 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
@mocsta still think VE is town, think it's strange he didn't hammer on LSB as rayns post implied ( if that's not the case I'll have to reevaluate).
I personally don't have foundation for a geript lynch but I've had a gut read all game and since people are discussing him I was gonna filter dive and see if there was foundation. was or "are"
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On December 04 2013 15:55 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 15:48 VisceraEyes wrote:On December 04 2013 11:46 geript wrote:On December 04 2013 11:39 bumatlarge wrote:On December 04 2013 11:36 geript wrote:On December 04 2013 11:31 bumatlarge wrote:
Also, people asking me to defend myself. I can't really defend myself for fakeclaiming role-denial. I like to be risky when I get the chance in mafia. This probably would have come back to bite me later, but this is much sooner then I expected, I was hoping to lead a lynch onto scum before I had to say anything. Nobody cares about the fake claim. Like that's the least scummy thing you've done. Usually I like to back things up with examples or at least fancy words. You have the rare talent or choosing not to do either. You've never really accounted for Sandroba or Marv's points. You never really explained my points against you. You continue to push me as a scum read with no real reason for me to be scum when I'm the person who really started the counterwagon against your lynch. You never really came back and explained your reads on why the people who you suspect are scum. You're the person who faked going to Trynd but picked Lux and seem completely revolved around that while no one really suspects you for that. You did come back with a chezinu-esque fucking poem with practically reads as a scumclaim. On top of that, you've completely fucking avoided talking about the counterwagon to your fucking lynch entirely. It's weird as shit and scummy. The fact that your defense is focused on bits of things that people don't really find you scummy for and not the big fucking elephants in the room is why people are so happy to jump on your wagon in part. geript this post really comes across like you know he's going to flip town. 1. Is any of what I wrote wrong? 2. How so? Because I've done the same thing like multiple times as scum?
I had to read it a few times to get what VE meant.
When I first read this, I thought you were venting to Bumat
But, after a few reads I think VE is saying that you are overcompensating the "smack down".
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Prob easier if VE explains what he meant in the first place.
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Decided to finally go through OP heroes.
this is probably Risen
Karthus - Requiem - Press 'R' to win! Once during the game you deal damage to 3 targets of your choosing. This must be used at least 12 hours before a deadline, and the thread will be notified that you have used your ultimate, but not on whom. May be used during the day or at night
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I actually dont mind the focus on replacements. 5 / 30 is quite excessive and like you said, some of these guys are traditionally difficult to read.
(1) Kush,
I disagree.
I'm remember him being pretty calm/collected in Noir (as scum).
Further, I still like a relationship between him and jay.
I get that he used logic to defend Bum - but if you knew he was town, I think saying "town do both of these things" is not a difficult thing to bring to the thread.
The stuff you right feels like it is specific to Kush as opposed to other players.
Not that I have a problem with meta -- but like i said, kush burnt me hard in Noir.
If hes alive tomorrow, I will filter him in more detail; but so far I disagree.
(2) LSB
I'm in a similar mindset to you. You managed to word it a lot better with the use of "bluster"
I really don't see scum being so ballsy to enact an instant policy lynch + all the setup confrontation.
Happy to leave alone until later.
(3) Onegu
I would put firm null. The stuff you call out is unfortunately standard play for either alignment of Onegu -- but you seem to have some familiarity with him already??
Definitely need to keep an eye out for him, and I think he can be discerned if we give him a bit more time to showcase his scum reads -- pretty much all the analysts in BttB pegged him as town.
(4) Coag
I expect Coag to make useless posts, so an almost postless Coag is concerning. Agreed on the 1 day lay-off and no more.
(5) Prome
Yeah, towniest of the bunch by far off one post.
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I really can't follow that Jay read.
My only meta on him is from Nomination and my memory was that he was paranoid -- carefree doesn't ring a bell.
Like, I get you are trying to paint a picture of carefree; but I dont see how that apostrophe post conveys that message?
The pick selection was semi-discussed early game and holds some form of merit -- and there were 2 people that posted in the game that failed to submit #'s. Does this auto qualify both as town??
+ then you get that hes AFK towards the end of the lynch, suddenly gets called out and magically appears to vote the leading bandwagon.
I'm not sold on Jay being confirmed town in the slightest.
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Agreed in johnny.
It's why I wanted to see him interact with kush more.
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On December 04 2013 17:44 Promethelax wrote:
Who was the other player?
Will look into the jay thingo more when i get back home.
The other player to forget draft picks but had posted was
"ticklishmusic"
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(1) Im gonna be super busy over the next 48 hrs. Will of course be around at night, but days are going to be almost impossible.
(2) I only skimmed from last night but I think Jay is looking a lot better. The effort put into that "left-field" VE case is not congruent with the effort put into that early marv suspicion, so actually reads to me as genuine effort based on belief, not just for "funsies". i.e. he could have easily dropped a half-ass case on someone being discussed or even Marv.
(3) jonnylaw is looking the goods for D2.
He *STILL* isn't pushing his main read.
I get hes come in and had to defend himself, but normally town brush that stuff off and then get back into scum hunting.
Please lynch
(4)
Regarding hard-to-read lurkers/replacements,
need to juggle pressuring jonny with being able to put suitable pressure onto lurkers:
Rean, Kenpachi, Onegu, Coag, SS, Austin
I think people like Onegu, SS, Austin will be able to show tonwiness without pressure - i.e. they should be able to come to the thread themself (if town)
Out of those 3 i'm concerned most about about SS because in LXII he had no present but was still memorable.
I actually forgot he was in this game until recently raised.. this is a problem. Even if he is busy, when he comes in he should be able to deliver some impetus (i would imagine if he is town.. since apparently he has no valid meta; its part of why I auto-assume a pleasant/pliable SS would be a scum SS).
Austin I have forgotten about as well, but hes still in another game so I dunno how much to value his absence. He can (proven) post as either alignment so absence is probably a null tell.
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On December 05 2013 11:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
I just lost my job. I may or may not have time for this. Definitely not until next phase. Sorry guys.
Shit.. sorry dude.. Wow.
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(This is why I like 1 hr resolution 
I really want to get back to work but keep f5'n)
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wtf.. marv replaced?
not VE?
GG prome.
only 1 night kill.. how odd. Good protects I spose?
##Vote: jonnylaw
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On December 05 2013 12:23 Mig wrote:Wtf marv! I got hit by 100 kp 
So
Sandroba - 1KP
Mig - 100KP
Prome - >950KP
... the 1KP is really odd. No idea what that is?
Khazix had KP between 75 - 250KP, so the 100KP could be a power?
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On December 05 2013 12:32 OdinOfPergo wrote:
This little tid-bit is nagging at me so bad now.
We have 3 townie flips with the resulting modkill on Kurumi.
Out of all 3 confirmed town none of them have a team name.
Koshi and Rayn both claimed to have a team name.
If any other townies got one they should mention this.
I'm not familiar with LoL.
Whats a team name?
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On December 05 2013 12:29 Mocsta wrote:
Sandroba - 1KP
Mig - 100KP
Prome - >950KP
VE - 250KP
Its obviously not smart if town to prob claim his KP if you did it.
But this may help town with abilities to deduce scum KP .
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On December 05 2013 12:35 OdinOfPergo wrote:
Basically each team of players has a team name.
Pohmanduu, Faker etc are on SKT.
Doublelift is on CLG (Counter Logic Gaming.)
Ahh k
I wont give my player name. but Im on a team (that you didnt state)
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On December 05 2013 12:37 OdinOfPergo wrote:
That's actually a really nice catch Geript.
U mean Rean right? <regarding Risen and the RB>
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On December 05 2013 12:40 OdinOfPergo wrote:
Mocsta if your on a team you might as well out it. From what I can tell other your player name could be used against you.
The only explanation for certain townies having a team name instead of all of us would be mod specific flavor from the different people writing them. I just think that's a really strange inconsistency to make. But if that is the case there is literally no use for said teamname other than flavor purposes and you should just out it.
Team Alternate.
Then some crap about ELO and playing in a specific country. blah blah.
/over-head.
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(1) OK guys I gotta shoot off will be back after work in a couple hours.
(2) Yeah its disappointing marv is not here, but we can still lynch scum. He was one guy out of 29 left
(3) Please join me onto jonnylaw
He was one of Promes (confirmed town) best reads ; and his read was congruent with my own thoughts.
Lets do this !!
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