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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
December 11 2013 00:33 GMT
#6021
I have hard time believing town even has over 500 kp in this game.. let alone 900..
table for two on a tv tray
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
December 11 2013 00:33 GMT
#6022
On December 11 2013 09:25 justanothertownie wrote:
One of the questions is - how likely is it that Mig got a hp value back if he hit a clone? Not very likely I think. More likely that Mig hit a clone N2 and got no HP value back.

Correct me if I am wrong.

Ok why on earth would I lie about the clone N1?

You all have jumped to the conclusion that I lied N1 for some reason but really, what reason would I have to lie? I cloned N1 because I thought I'd be a decent scum shot. People were calling me town after the D1 but I didn't feel that I was likely to be protected. JAT you're making assumptions about how mig's role interacts with my role. The text of my role is this "All abilities that would have hit you hit your clone instead." It's in the OP, where in there does it say to you that Mig wouldn't get back a number.

Forti et Fideli ~ TL Mafia Forum: Come play with us! ~ Go Samsung KHAN, Stork, JangBi , Shine, Grape, and TurN Fighting!~ wat
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
December 11 2013 00:33 GMT
#6023
On December 11 2013 09:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2013 22:48 Mid or Feed wrote:
On December 10 2013 12:46 Mig wrote:
would a role block prevent an inventors item from working or just that players powers


Yes

Don't talk bullshit please. Neither Fuba's power nor the item use went through. Why are you talking bullshit LSB?


Explain this post then
On December 10 2013 12:33 Mig wrote:
Mz - n1 I got 825 back as my result. N-2 I got nothing back so my shot did not hit you. Either it was stopped or you were protected.

coag didnt have to post in the thread so seems he was just being a monkey.

Does anyone have the updated sign up list? Need to see who else is going to take damage.

Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
December 11 2013 00:34 GMT
#6024
Are... are you two talking about different nights? I've lost the ability to follow this anymore for today.

Gonna go take care of my cousin for the rest of the night~
Never trust a skinny innkeeper
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
December 11 2013 00:37 GMT
#6025
On December 11 2013 09:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2013 09:25 justanothertownie wrote:
One of the questions is - how likely is it that Mig got a hp value back if he hit a clone? Not very likely I think. More likely that Mig hit a clone N2 and got no HP value back.

Correct me if I am wrong.

Ok why on earth would I lie about the clone N1?

You all have jumped to the conclusion that I lied N1 for some reason but really, what reason would I have to lie? I cloned N1 because I thought I'd be a decent scum shot. People were calling me town after the D1 but I didn't feel that I was likely to be protected. JAT you're making assumptions about how mig's role interacts with my role. The text of my role is this "All abilities that would have hit you hit your clone instead." It's in the OP, where in there does it say to you that Mig wouldn't get back a number.


Obviously it doesn't say that. But I think it is much more likely that you used your clone night 2 and he got nothing back while you lied night 1 than that your clone was hit night 1 while he got back a hp value and you somehow magically didn't get hit night 2.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
December 11 2013 00:37 GMT
#6026
I think M_Z's explanation of his power makes sense. It's just the following Coag thing that is confusing me.
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Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
December 11 2013 00:38 GMT
#6027
On December 11 2013 09:37 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2013 09:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On December 11 2013 09:25 justanothertownie wrote:
One of the questions is - how likely is it that Mig got a hp value back if he hit a clone? Not very likely I think. More likely that Mig hit a clone N2 and got no HP value back.

Correct me if I am wrong.

Ok why on earth would I lie about the clone N1?

You all have jumped to the conclusion that I lied N1 for some reason but really, what reason would I have to lie? I cloned N1 because I thought I'd be a decent scum shot. People were calling me town after the D1 but I didn't feel that I was likely to be protected. JAT you're making assumptions about how mig's role interacts with my role. The text of my role is this "All abilities that would have hit you hit your clone instead." It's in the OP, where in there does it say to you that Mig wouldn't get back a number.


Obviously it doesn't say that. But I think it is much more likely that you used your clone night 2 and he got nothing back while you lied night 1 than that your clone was hit night 1 while he got back a hp value and you somehow magically didn't get hit night 2.

Why would I lie N1?
Forti et Fideli ~ TL Mafia Forum: Come play with us! ~ Go Samsung KHAN, Stork, JangBi , Shine, Grape, and TurN Fighting!~ wat
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
December 11 2013 00:39 GMT
#6028
To get people to think you are a townie afraid of being nightkilled? To get townies with KP to think you already used your protection?
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
December 11 2013 00:41 GMT
#6029
Actually now that I think about it ignore the second part. First part is valid though.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
December 11 2013 00:44 GMT
#6030
Even if we take "best case scenario":

Chezinu 900 damage - scum
Mig 50 damage - town
VisceraEyes 50 damage +200 - scum
raynpelikoneet 100 damage - town (ss)
Risen 325 damage - let's assume town but -100 in that case (ss)
Coagulation 50 damage - town
ticklishmusic 749 damage - scum

so town has 425 dmg + mig 150 dmg = 575 dmg.

I am pretty sure scum are at some level aware of how much KP town has.
Even if town focuses all damage on MZ, why would he use his clone? He does not even die.
Does town focus all dmg on MZ? Fuck no. This town is in no way capable of doing that even if MZ was confirmed scum rofl.

So again, why use clone on N2?
table for two on a tv tray
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
December 11 2013 00:45 GMT
#6031
On December 11 2013 09:39 justanothertownie wrote:
To get people to think you are a townie afraid of being nightkilled? To get townies with KP to think you already used your protection?

That's WIFOM bullshit. Look at the thread. I was under no suspicion. What possible motivation do I have to lie at that point?

Like I'd get your point if I had cloned last night and then announced to the thread my role but I did it N1. My role has been outed since Mig said he shot me. Also, I never got a PM saying I had taken damage, the first time I learned of it was when people brought it up to me in the thread. If I hadn't cloned, I would have taken the damage. Why wouldn't I claim this damage in the thread? Why lie?

The logic path you're assuming I went on makes no sense at all.
Forti et Fideli ~ TL Mafia Forum: Come play with us! ~ Go Samsung KHAN, Stork, JangBi , Shine, Grape, and TurN Fighting!~ wat
Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
December 11 2013 00:47 GMT
#6032
We don't know that MZ used mirror image n1. I attacked him and it gave me a result of 825 hp. I attacked him again n2 and got no result. It is possible that he didn't mirror n1, then did use mirror n2 and I got no result because I hit a clone and they didn't count.

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justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
December 11 2013 00:47 GMT
#6033
On December 11 2013 09:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Even if we take "best case scenario":

Chezinu 900 damage - scum
Mig 50 damage - town
VisceraEyes 50 damage +200 - scum
raynpelikoneet 100 damage - town (ss)
Risen 325 damage - let's assume town but -100 in that case (ss)
Coagulation 50 damage - town
ticklishmusic 749 damage - scum

so town has 425 dmg + mig 150 dmg = 575 dmg.

I am pretty sure scum are at some level aware of how much KP town has.
Even if town focuses all damage on MZ, why would he use his clone? He does not even die.
Does town focus all dmg on MZ? Fuck no. This town is in no way capable of doing that even if MZ was confirmed scum rofl.

So again, why use clone on N2?

lol rayn. This defense is really stupid. When would he use it if not N2 after being the main counterwagon to the lynched townie with tons of suspicion on him? If his second ability is anything like the one he claimed that one is useless anyways. You are telling us scum has no problem taking unnecessary damage because "maybe it doesn't kill me flat out"? Besides I don't think scum was sure about the amount of damage town is able to do at night 2.
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
December 11 2013 00:49 GMT
#6034
On December 11 2013 09:47 Mig wrote:
We don't know that MZ used mirror image n1. I attacked him and it gave me a result of 825 hp. I attacked him again n2 and got no result. It is possible that he didn't mirror n1, then did use mirror n2 and I got no result because I hit a clone and they didn't count.


I currently have 950 KP.

Fucking hit me again mig and confirm this.

I'm not cloning tonight so go ahead and hit me.
Forti et Fideli ~ TL Mafia Forum: Come play with us! ~ Go Samsung KHAN, Stork, JangBi , Shine, Grape, and TurN Fighting!~ wat
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
December 11 2013 00:49 GMT
#6035
On December 11 2013 09:47 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2013 09:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Even if we take "best case scenario":

Chezinu 900 damage - scum
Mig 50 damage - town
VisceraEyes 50 damage +200 - scum
raynpelikoneet 100 damage - town (ss)
Risen 325 damage - let's assume town but -100 in that case (ss)
Coagulation 50 damage - town
ticklishmusic 749 damage - scum

so town has 425 dmg + mig 150 dmg = 575 dmg.

I am pretty sure scum are at some level aware of how much KP town has.
Even if town focuses all damage on MZ, why would he use his clone? He does not even die.
Does town focus all dmg on MZ? Fuck no. This town is in no way capable of doing that even if MZ was confirmed scum rofl.

So again, why use clone on N2?

lol rayn. This defense is really stupid. When would he use it if not N2 after being the main counterwagon to the lynched townie with tons of suspicion on him? If his second ability is anything like the one he claimed that one is useless anyways. You are telling us scum has no problem taking unnecessary damage because "maybe it doesn't kill me flat out"? Besides I don't think scum was sure about the amount of damage town is able to do at night 2.

When he has been hit so much he actually can reasonably assume town can kill him that night..
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
December 11 2013 00:51 GMT
#6036
If i was scum i wouldn't give a shit if someone hits me with 100 damage 5 times. Why? Because that does not mean shit because i am still alive..
table for two on a tv tray
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
December 11 2013 00:52 GMT
#6037
On December 11 2013 09:47 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2013 09:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Even if we take "best case scenario":

Chezinu 900 damage - scum
Mig 50 damage - town
VisceraEyes 50 damage +200 - scum
raynpelikoneet 100 damage - town (ss)
Risen 325 damage - let's assume town but -100 in that case (ss)
Coagulation 50 damage - town
ticklishmusic 749 damage - scum

so town has 425 dmg + mig 150 dmg = 575 dmg.

I am pretty sure scum are at some level aware of how much KP town has.
Even if town focuses all damage on MZ, why would he use his clone? He does not even die.
Does town focus all dmg on MZ? Fuck no. This town is in no way capable of doing that even if MZ was confirmed scum rofl.

So again, why use clone on N2?

lol rayn. This defense is really stupid. When would he use it if not N2 after being the main counterwagon to the lynched townie with tons of suspicion on him? If his second ability is anything like the one he claimed that one is useless anyways. You are telling us scum has no problem taking unnecessary damage because "maybe it doesn't kill me flat out"? Besides I don't think scum was sure about the amount of damage town is able to do at night 2.

JAT.

I can't use it two nights in a row. I used it N1. As much as I would have liked to use it last night I couldn't.

Can you not see where your logic flaw is? I used it N1, look at my use in context of that time. I have NO REASON to lie then. Then N2, when it would have been a better use from a scum perspective, I can't just magically use it, BECAUSE I ALREADY USED IT.
Forti et Fideli ~ TL Mafia Forum: Come play with us! ~ Go Samsung KHAN, Stork, JangBi , Shine, Grape, and TurN Fighting!~ wat
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
December 11 2013 00:52 GMT
#6038
On December 11 2013 09:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2013 09:47 justanothertownie wrote:
On December 11 2013 09:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Even if we take "best case scenario":

Chezinu 900 damage - scum
Mig 50 damage - town
VisceraEyes 50 damage +200 - scum
raynpelikoneet 100 damage - town (ss)
Risen 325 damage - let's assume town but -100 in that case (ss)
Coagulation 50 damage - town
ticklishmusic 749 damage - scum

so town has 425 dmg + mig 150 dmg = 575 dmg.

I am pretty sure scum are at some level aware of how much KP town has.
Even if town focuses all damage on MZ, why would he use his clone? He does not even die.
Does town focus all dmg on MZ? Fuck no. This town is in no way capable of doing that even if MZ was confirmed scum rofl.

So again, why use clone on N2?

lol rayn. This defense is really stupid. When would he use it if not N2 after being the main counterwagon to the lynched townie with tons of suspicion on him? If his second ability is anything like the one he claimed that one is useless anyways. You are telling us scum has no problem taking unnecessary damage because "maybe it doesn't kill me flat out"? Besides I don't think scum was sure about the amount of damage town is able to do at night 2.

When he has been hit so much he actually can reasonably assume town can kill him that night..

So instead he just takes the damage - no problem. Although he could prevent that? Yeah, no.
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
December 11 2013 00:53 GMT
#6039
On December 11 2013 09:52 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2013 09:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 11 2013 09:47 justanothertownie wrote:
On December 11 2013 09:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Even if we take "best case scenario":

Chezinu 900 damage - scum
Mig 50 damage - town
VisceraEyes 50 damage +200 - scum
raynpelikoneet 100 damage - town (ss)
Risen 325 damage - let's assume town but -100 in that case (ss)
Coagulation 50 damage - town
ticklishmusic 749 damage - scum

so town has 425 dmg + mig 150 dmg = 575 dmg.

I am pretty sure scum are at some level aware of how much KP town has.
Even if town focuses all damage on MZ, why would he use his clone? He does not even die.
Does town focus all dmg on MZ? Fuck no. This town is in no way capable of doing that even if MZ was confirmed scum rofl.

So again, why use clone on N2?

lol rayn. This defense is really stupid. When would he use it if not N2 after being the main counterwagon to the lynched townie with tons of suspicion on him? If his second ability is anything like the one he claimed that one is useless anyways. You are telling us scum has no problem taking unnecessary damage because "maybe it doesn't kill me flat out"? Besides I don't think scum was sure about the amount of damage town is able to do at night 2.

When he has been hit so much he actually can reasonably assume town can kill him that night..

So instead he just takes the damage - no problem. Although he could prevent that? Yeah, no.

JAT

Why can't you understand this. I couldn't prevent it N2.
Forti et Fideli ~ TL Mafia Forum: Come play with us! ~ Go Samsung KHAN, Stork, JangBi , Shine, Grape, and TurN Fighting!~ wat
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
December 11 2013 00:54 GMT
#6040
On December 11 2013 09:52 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2013 09:47 justanothertownie wrote:
On December 11 2013 09:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Even if we take "best case scenario":

Chezinu 900 damage - scum
Mig 50 damage - town
VisceraEyes 50 damage +200 - scum
raynpelikoneet 100 damage - town (ss)
Risen 325 damage - let's assume town but -100 in that case (ss)
Coagulation 50 damage - town
ticklishmusic 749 damage - scum

so town has 425 dmg + mig 150 dmg = 575 dmg.

I am pretty sure scum are at some level aware of how much KP town has.
Even if town focuses all damage on MZ, why would he use his clone? He does not even die.
Does town focus all dmg on MZ? Fuck no. This town is in no way capable of doing that even if MZ was confirmed scum rofl.

So again, why use clone on N2?

lol rayn. This defense is really stupid. When would he use it if not N2 after being the main counterwagon to the lynched townie with tons of suspicion on him? If his second ability is anything like the one he claimed that one is useless anyways. You are telling us scum has no problem taking unnecessary damage because "maybe it doesn't kill me flat out"? Besides I don't think scum was sure about the amount of damage town is able to do at night 2.

JAT.

I can't use it two nights in a row. I used it N1. As much as I would have liked to use it last night I couldn't.

Can you not see where your logic flaw is? I used it N1, look at my use in context of that time. I have NO REASON to lie then. Then N2, when it would have been a better use from a scum perspective, I can't just magically use it, BECAUSE I ALREADY USED IT.

No, I can't see the logic flaw and there is no way of knowing you really used it N1.
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