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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
December 02 2013 00:02 GMT
#836
I've never been involved in a PYP, so if it really is the best course of action, I'll do so. But there are a few people ahead of me in pick order, so I won't be starting it.
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
December 02 2013 00:19 GMT
#847
At the same time it guarantees that scum get more roles too. I know we out number them, but I still have my reservations.
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
December 02 2013 01:02 GMT
#888
On December 02 2013 09:59 ticklishmusic wrote:
I picked Taric, to bad his heal doesn't have CDR.

Did we ever find out exactly how HP works in this game? Does everyone have the same amount?


I don't believe so. And I'm not sure if we are updated with what % HP we have at any time.
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
December 02 2013 01:05 GMT
#891
On December 02 2013 10:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
ou will know your starting HP, and will be notified of any changes to your HP value.



I'm a dirty, dirty liar.
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
December 02 2013 01:49 GMT
#901
1 hour more
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
December 02 2013 13:17 GMT
#1268
Holy damn. Mad posts happening last night. Life in the game getting interesting.

On December 02 2013 15:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think gtrsrs is one of the most transparent players in the game so far. Not gonna vote for him.
Why is VE town for you? How is VE helping the town?


How has gtr really been transparent at all?

Although I agree with you, VE hasn't done anything overwhelming for town thus far (at least, as far as I've read - still catching up from sleeps)
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
December 02 2013 13:18 GMT
#1269
On December 02 2013 15:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2013 14:50 Mocsta wrote:
On December 02 2013 14:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Mocsta, can you give me quick reads on the following people (a couple of words will do fine):
supersoft, geript, OdinOfPergo, Storrzerg, sandroba, gtrsrs, Oatsmaster, justanothertownie.

SS - Null.
Most of his posts are setup speculation which is acceptable either alignment at this phase of the game.
I admit I haven't played with a scum SS; but I also havent played with a pleasant one either. It makes me naturally assume something is different. Hes active though which is a good sign too. Yes, null.

Geript - Soft town lean.
Trolling Geript is null. But this Geript appears to be trying to push the thread into a certain direction - using reasoning vs slander. I also like that he is trying to make "look at me statements" to be noticed. He *wants* the attention. For this stage of the game I think thats pretty townie.

OdinOfPergo - Null to soft scum lean
Very setup oriented filter so i dont place a lot value in having activity. Half the stuff hes takling about I have no idea about because I'm not familiar with LoL. Hes also got an early Day0 obsession with Jay which hasn't relented, yet, he seems to be asking the opinion of others rather than talk to Jay to firm up a read?. This is kinda reminding me of how I approached Storrzerg in Mafia LXIII.

Storrzerg - Null
No idea, nothing really to work off

Sandroba - Null
Sandroba is known for good plans as town so its natural for him to easily receive buy-in // propose something conceived pre-game.
Hes also known for lurking as scum. Hes given reasoning for lack of activity, so I think he will become pretty clear over the next 48hrs especially with roles being out.

gtrsrs - Soft town lean
I hate players like this. Troll. Its pretty light hearted, and the joke he made on Sandroba made me laugh, which is probably a good sign - as joviality is hard to fake. Most of the stuff is selfish setup talk which probably indicates town that will be useless to moving the thread forward i.e. the usual TL sign up these days.

Oatsmaster - ??
It looks like hes trying to stir the pot intentionally.
He seriously couldnt think that SS vet idea was good...
I honestly have no idea how to read this guy anymore, he used to have direction in his pushes as town. Tips??

Justanothertownie - Null to Soft scum lean
He is uncharacteristically active/assertive. The games I played with JAT he was pretty timid. Here he is calling people stupid and just in general seems to be on edge. I find he also talks to Rayn as if auto-assuming Rayn is town. White knighting?

Interesting. I think all of those people are town.


shocking... /sarcasm

there are at least 2 people on that list that are at least leaning scum for me - why the hell do you think everyone there is town
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
December 02 2013 13:20 GMT
#1271
On December 02 2013 15:01 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I want opinions from everybody in the thread on gtrsrs and geript.

I'm not doing an analysis of geript right now since people keep calling him town. I'll accept that I might be wrong for now. But I want people to justify these reads instead of just sheeping rayn. If everyone just continue to parrot rayn I'll go do some digging of my own but right now gtrsrs is my primary goal.


Null on gtr for now, but certainly not leaning town.

Wary of geript, but I'm trying to decide if it's because of his completely unreasonable reaction to me, or just OMGUS.

going to catch up and read more before I post again - heading to work
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
December 02 2013 15:31 GMT
#1323
On December 03 2013 00:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2013 00:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 03 2013 00:09 Oatsmaster wrote:
Why doesnt anyone want to talk about geript and the fact that he's scum?


If you can somehow point out something that proves he is faking his aggression instead of just claiming so i might be willing to listen.

Its the feels yo. Why dont you feeeeeel it.


I feel it. I know people aren't looking at him because he is usually aggressive (apparently), but his filter feels like just aggression to a whole bunch of different people. Then there are a few odd things:

On December 02 2013 08:54 geript wrote:
Mass claim is bad imo. Makes grabbing specific roles significantly more powerful ie. Warwick.


On December 02 2013 09:20 geript wrote:
I don't disagree that a mass claim is bad at some point. I don't think that point is just after roles are chosen.


Two directly contradictory posts.

There hasn't been a whole lot to look at since.

-------------------------------------

Rayn - I still don't understand where half of your reads are coming from. Like, I see a little brief reasoning for some of them, but you're seeing things I'm not or you're drawing from past experiences and using gut reads off of very little. There are things I disagree with in your townie lists.

I put my target on you D0 because of this. That said, however - you have kept activity up and you seem to be working hard to do things right. I'm willing to acknowledge when I may have made a mistake.

-------------------------------------

Concerning gtr -

I agree with most of the negative points made against him. However, I have also been in the position of really wanting a power role, and being bummed and unmotivated when I didn't get one. I can especially see this as the case when there are so many cool powers to grab.

I would want to see/hear more from him in general.

-------------------------------------

Case against me -

It's a fine case I guess, but it's wrong.

I explained my early pinpointing of rayn above.

You focus on my aggression, but don't blink at geript's? Again, maybe this is because he is known for it, but his was more widespread. Mine was really just focused at rayn.

I did not change my opinion of speculating roles. Roffles implied that we really put in some time and nail down all the champs' extra abilities to try and strategize around it. I was pointing out that the DT roles were likely not all banned out and was considering some of the possible ones that could still be in - I thought it was relevant because scum was making an opaque push at getting rid of DTs.

------------------------------------

On December 02 2013 23:04 marvellosity wrote:
sandroba, go flick through a couple of gtrsrs's towngames, I dare ya.

My flick through jcarl's games was less definitive than I'd like.


sorry I guess... I've been scum like, 2 or 3 times ever.
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
December 02 2013 15:55 GMT
#1325
Kush, can you elaborate on what makes you think I'm town?

There has been very little defense of me up to this point, mostly people agreeing with bum's case on me.
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
December 02 2013 15:57 GMT
#1326
Also, for kurumi - thinking about what roles are good for mafia hardly indicates a mafia perspective. Especially in a set up like this where we need to determine what's good enough to be banned out.
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
December 02 2013 16:11 GMT
#1329
On December 03 2013 01:09 Kurumi wrote:
Care to explain how "tooscummytobescum" makes sense?


I take it as "too obviously scum to actually be scum". At this point, I somewhat agree, as I explained in my earlier post.

He doesn't look town by any means, but I would like him to do, ya know, something before I actually form a full opinion.
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
December 02 2013 16:16 GMT
#1332
Kurumi - out of curiosity - why did you link your own filter to kush to look at?
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
December 02 2013 16:23 GMT
#1339
So assuming nothing changes and we end up lynching gtr - who are you looking at next VE?
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
December 02 2013 16:33 GMT
#1350
On December 03 2013 01:29 geript wrote:
Despite Kurumi not drawing,


Can you explain what this means? I'm not following.
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
December 02 2013 16:36 GMT
#1353
On December 03 2013 01:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2013 01:29 geript wrote:
I don't think he's scum even though he think I may be.

I was even /more/ confused by what follows.


Oh, that's just his conscious effort to not OMGUS in an attempt to look town.
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
December 02 2013 16:43 GMT
#1360
On December 03 2013 01:41 kushm4sta wrote:
Jcarl i have nothing but love for you man!


Uh...k?

So your read on Kurumi is meta-based VE?
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
December 02 2013 16:57 GMT
#1368
On December 03 2013 01:50 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2013 23:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
On December 01 2013 23:02 supersoft wrote:
On December 01 2013 22:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
On December 01 2013 22:13 supersoft wrote:
On December 01 2013 21:58 Oatsmaster wrote:
SS pretty scummy


this looks like a cheap countermove to this:

On December 01 2013 02:11 supersoft wrote:
yes i know. but this banning discussion is terribly boring... i wanted to join this game day2... that's why i didnt replace in immediately.
Another aspect. Oats is so calm and somehow reasonable.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086&user=Oatsmaster

he's actually even defending me a little (even though he didnt really read my posts).

Your thoughts?

lol what?


seriously? we're already at the point where you just "lol what?" my posts? You said I am scummy. You didn't give any reasoning.
I called you out before for soft-defending me randomly without actually reading my stuff
then one day later you randomly appear and call me scum.

I point out, that this looks like a cheap countermove and you answer "lol what?"

I think you're just posting without reading anything in detail. That's extremely scummy man. I don't know
I won't talk about ongoing games here.

by "lol what" I mean how in the world are you calling me scum for something that didnt even happen.

This post really stood out to me. This doesn't read as a normal Oats reaction to me. It's like he feels the need to defend himself but isn't actually willing to be in the spotlight in this manner. Honestly, this game it feels like Oats is trying to pick a fight with me just to pick a fight with me because that's what town oats does. It's very similar to his game in hydra (with Rayn) where he rumbled with Mocsta because he had a history of Oats/Moc bitchfests as town in his recent history.


Are you blatantly ignoring my question?
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
December 02 2013 18:02 GMT
#1389
On December 03 2013 02:51 Kurumi wrote:
Mig is very helpful, posts a lot, votes a lot. Good player overall, he's been there for a while.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=266305&user=Mig
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=227186&user=Mig
^Town games
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=254174&user=Mig
^Scum game
They are decent in length, always good in substance though.


I think we should keep our reservations on Mig at least for now. I have heard he's a good player, but he posted saying he's sick, so I think we can cut him some slack at least for a little while.

Oats, I know you've left. But you said kush is wrong in thinking I'm town. If you think I'm scum, why not vote for me or put actual effort in trying to get me killed?
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
December 02 2013 18:08 GMT
#1391
On December 03 2013 03:03 LSB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2013 03:01 LSB wrote:
On December 02 2013 14:50 Mocsta wrote:
On December 02 2013 14:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Mocsta, can you give me quick reads on the following people (a couple of words will do fine):
supersoft, geript, OdinOfPergo, Storrzerg, sandroba, gtrsrs, Oatsmaster, justanothertownie.

SS - Null.
Most of his posts are setup speculation which is acceptable either alignment at this phase of the game.
I admit I haven't played with a scum SS; but I also havent played with a pleasant one either. It makes me naturally assume something is different. Hes active though which is a good sign too. Yes, null.

Geript - Soft town lean.
Trolling Geript is null. But this Geript appears to be trying to push the thread into a certain direction - using reasoning vs slander. I also like that he is trying to make "look at me statements" to be noticed. He *wants* the attention. For this stage of the game I think thats pretty townie.

OdinOfPergo - Null to soft scum lean
Very setup oriented filter so i dont place a lot value in having activity. Half the stuff hes takling about I have no idea about because I'm not familiar with LoL. Hes also got an early Day0 obsession with Jay which hasn't relented, yet, he seems to be asking the opinion of others rather than talk to Jay to firm up a read?. This is kinda reminding me of how I approached Storrzerg in Mafia LXIII.

Storrzerg - Null
No idea, nothing really to work off

Sandroba - Null
Sandroba is known for good plans as town so its natural for him to easily receive buy-in // propose something conceived pre-game.
Hes also known for lurking as scum. Hes given reasoning for lack of activity, so I think he will become pretty clear over the next 48hrs especially with roles being out.

gtrsrs - Soft town lean
I hate players like this. Troll. Its pretty light hearted, and the joke he made on Sandroba made me laugh, which is probably a good sign - as joviality is hard to fake. Most of the stuff is selfish setup talk which probably indicates town that will be useless to moving the thread forward i.e. the usual TL sign up these days.

Oatsmaster - ??
It looks like hes trying to stir the pot intentionally.
He seriously couldnt think that SS vet idea was good...
I honestly have no idea how to read this guy anymore, he used to have direction in his pushes as town. Tips??

Justanothertownie - Null to Soft scum lean
He is uncharacteristically active/assertive. The games I played with JAT he was pretty timid. Here he is calling people stupid and just in general seems to be on edge. I find he also talks to Rayn as if auto-assuming Rayn is town. White knighting?


I'm still reading the thread, but I don't know if this is normal for Mocsta, but this post is a classic example of saying a ton that doesn't make up for anything. To me Mocsta is posting a lot to seem like an active townie, but nothing substantial but "null" or "leans" that really are just filler and don't contribute anything to the discussion.

##Vote: Mocsta

##Unvote; Mocsta Oops I didn't see this was a response. I will revisit this accusation after I finish reading the thread


So, you're scanning the thread looking for something to pinpoint as opposed to reading the thread and understanding contexts?

Come on LSB, I know you're better than that.
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