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On December 02 2013 15:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
VE a question to you. Do you think MZ's sread on you is legit? Based on N0 i mean. Do you think you provided analysis?
Would you say it was reasonable to have a strong enough town read on you for anyone?
Nice money question
I agree over played town read abd overplayed scum read on gtrsrs.
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HI VISCERA
I CAN YELL TOO
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WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF MZ
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On December 02 2013 15:46 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 15:38 Mocsta wrote:On December 02 2013 15:36 Kenpachi wrote:
Yeah geript reminds me of my old style, which in itself is a pretty bad meter of judgment but he has no style/flair to it so I'm bringing back my intuition to call him out on his posts but you know, I hate the lack of respect I got.
He is all up in your face about it but in a way where nothing he says matters. get what I mean? Fuck me.. and this guy is talking about people being useless. VEHow do we read this guy aside from the kenpachi rule? nigga, I don't know who you are but let me tell you something. You are no different than geript at this point. Both, prejudice. Last time I was active in Mafia was early 2012. That was also my sophomore year of high school. I like to consider that period a transition of when I actually flipped the switch and tried new things and changed as a result. How about you think about that, instead of assumptions which are moot and baseless at this point. Move along cause I know you're town and I'd rather talk about the game than complain how you guys are not going to take me seriously 
Bitch pls.
I don't pull out just because you call me town.
And yes, I played one game with you before.
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On December 02 2013 15:50 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 15:48 Mocsta wrote:
HI VISCERA
I CAN YELL TOO
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WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF MZ mocsta if you have a problem with me just come out and say it. I fucking hate when people beat around the bush like this.
Fine.
I think your reads are tailored to pushing a scum agenda.
If the town read on VE was be wise u had a Dr ja vu moment. I CAN accept that... But it wasn't.
And your push on gtrsrs reads fake to me .. evident by u forgetting he exists.
Your turn
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On December 02 2013 15:50 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 15:49 Mocsta wrote:On December 02 2013 15:46 Kenpachi wrote:On December 02 2013 15:38 Mocsta wrote:On December 02 2013 15:36 Kenpachi wrote:
Yeah geript reminds me of my old style, which in itself is a pretty bad meter of judgment but he has no style/flair to it so I'm bringing back my intuition to call him out on his posts but you know, I hate the lack of respect I got.
He is all up in your face about it but in a way where nothing he says matters. get what I mean? Fuck me.. and this guy is talking about people being useless. VEHow do we read this guy aside from the kenpachi rule? nigga, I don't know who you are but let me tell you something. You are no different than geript at this point. Both, prejudice. Last time I was active in Mafia was early 2012. That was also my sophomore year of high school. I like to consider that period a transition of when I actually flipped the switch and tried new things and changed as a result. How about you think about that, instead of assumptions which are moot and baseless at this point. Move along cause I know you're town and I'd rather talk about the game than complain how you guys are not going to take me seriously Bitch pls. I don't pull out just because you call me town. And yes, I played one game with you before. Then elaborate. All you really inferred was my behavior in relation to past games. ok. Gtrsrs is a hot topic with a small filter.
Want to gimme some thoughts?
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On December 02 2013 15:59 VisceraEyes wrote:
But fear not - I'll have my trusty Galaxy Note 3 in case anyone wants to throw down whilst I'm still awake.
*MORNING*
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On December 02 2013 15:58 Roffles wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 15:56 Oatsmaster wrote:
Gtrsrs just didnt really post anything after day 1. I think its far more likely for scum to do that because they dont see anything instantly to contribute, he just bitched about not getting khazix If he's scum, what's to gain from posting really dumb shit instead of just staying quiet like half the players?
Sir Roffles
Do you have an opinion on someone <other> than gtrsrs?
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On December 02 2013 16:00 Kenpachi wrote:
You can't infer shit about gtrsrs atm. He has a small filter like you said. Am I missing something? I think someone earlier said town can still be antitown.
He is anti town yes, not inclined to believe hes scum.
So keep the pressure on him. Thanks for that.
I dunno where to go from here as you were surprisingly obliging.
Thank you
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On December 02 2013 16:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Mocsta were you coaching the last newbie game / have you read the game?
No and no.
I take it someone of interest is from there?
Is this Newbie L?
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On December 02 2013 16:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 16:06 Mocsta wrote:On December 02 2013 16:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Mocsta were you coaching the last newbie game / have you read the game? No and no. I take it someone of interest is from there? Is this Newbie L? Yeah i suggest you look at OdinOfPergo's filter from that game and reconsider your read on him. that's like the easiest townread there is.
Half that game is in this one. Awesome.
Umm... are you referring to this post text-block structure?
Cos the similarity jumps out at me immediately.. lol
<or the content/phrasing>
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On December 02 2013 16:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 16:09 Mocsta wrote:On December 02 2013 16:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 02 2013 16:06 Mocsta wrote:On December 02 2013 16:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Mocsta were you coaching the last newbie game / have you read the game? No and no. I take it someone of interest is from there? Is this Newbie L? Yeah i suggest you look at OdinOfPergo's filter from that game and reconsider your read on him. that's like the easiest townread there is. Half that game is in this one. Awesome. Umm... are you referring to this post text-block structure? Cos the similarity jumps out at me immediately.. lol <or the content/phrasing> He has absolutely no idea what to do as scum and is the definition of wishy-washyness and insecureness. Does it look like that in this game?
hmm. I dont see it personally.
I skimmed his Mafia L (roleblocker) filter
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=433102&user=OdinOfPergo&view=all
and I thought a lot of his accusations were quite bold. The only wishywashiness I saw was his use of adjectives to diminish his accusations.
You seem to be playing level headed, and there is certainly credit that you just coached him. But I don't see enough to state hes a STRONG town read. Maybe slight town lean but hes certainly not off-limits from being pressured I think.
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On December 02 2013 16:18 Roffles wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 16:02 Mocsta wrote:On December 02 2013 15:58 Roffles wrote:On December 02 2013 15:56 Oatsmaster wrote:
Gtrsrs just didnt really post anything after day 1. I think its far more likely for scum to do that because they dont see anything instantly to contribute, he just bitched about not getting khazix If he's scum, what's to gain from posting really dumb shit instead of just staying quiet like half the players? Sir RofflesDo you have an opinion on someone <other> than gtrsrs? Jaybrundage screams red. Just complete wishwash nonsense from him. Inactivity for a while after trying to "unsuccessfully" instigate plans he never had any intentions of carrying out. Think MZ's red too. Don't have previous experience for me to draw information off, but his play seems super hostile for no apparent reason, especially when someone briefly mentions his name in passing as "could be scum". Doesn't make any sense to me why anyone would be so super defensive so quick.
With gtrsrs you gave some insight into why you think his motives were townie.
With Jay + MZ can you have detailed some actions you find odd/scummy. Can you please walk me through why the motives are pushing a scum agenda.
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On December 02 2013 16:26 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:uh no missed that sorry. I really don't know what you're accusing me of. Let's clear this up once and for all: I first provided a green read on VE AFTER rayn asked me. My reasoning was the same then as it was now: I've seen his play and know what it looks like. I came out in defense of him so hard because I know what an easy mislynch he is. He was mislynched in the last game I played and I've mislynched him before. He's an easy target for scum to jump on and I wanted to put a halt to any possible wagon that might start. onto gtrsrs... idk how it's fake, my case is like literally the second one made this game, I have no idea how it's "fake." I pointed out behavior I thought was scummy and how gtrsrs has not been playing with a town mindset. OK, I can leave the town VE read alone. I suppose everyone has their own special reads (e.g. Rayn with OdinofPergo).
I don't like how you have gone about gtrsrs.
My read on him aside
(1) You made a case on a guy calling him out for flying under the radar -- yet you noticed him
(2) Instead of probing to ascertain his alignment, you lead with a vote. With his amount of content I dont see how anyone could have such a strong read on him. What differentiates him from all the other trolls?
(3) You aren't going out of your way to adapt your message to communicate it.
i.e. you put out a case and are happy to talk about other issues (in fairness you are being called out) but still. this reads like feigned contribution to me.
(4) In Sicilian you were an unpleasant troll -- but town. Why can't gtrsrs fit this mould?
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Rayn,
What do you think of Roffles? //fair enough if you want to wait for him to reply to my last query.
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On December 02 2013 16:41 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 16:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 02 2013 16:19 Kenpachi wrote:On December 02 2013 16:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 02 2013 16:12 Kenpachi wrote:On December 02 2013 16:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 02 2013 16:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
WHY DOESNT ANYONE WANT TO TALK TO ME. The following people are town: raynpelikoneet, supersoft, geript, OdinOfPergo, Storrzerg, sandroba, gtrsrs, Oatsmaster, justanothertownie, VisceraEyes, Mocsta. You obviously disagree with geript but i do not think there is much to talk about it because i can just say "i don't think he is faking it". What about others? Personally, I think you're blindsided for considering so many people town this early on. So I find it hard to take all of your claims seriously. what are you trying to accomplish by holding hands with everybody I am holding hands only with people i think are town. Which of those reads you disagree on? all of them. what the hell? you're avoiding the question I think i have explained the reads on Oats, Odin, VE, gtrsrs and supersoft. Sandroba had a really pro-town end of N0. Mocsta is being reasonable and has good thoughts and questions for people. geript is a meta-read and started scumhunting asap on N0 and noticed jay's terribad post. Had really good posts overall. JAT is being reasonable and wants to work together regarding plans and calls out people for their bad posts. StorrZerg the same. I don't see your point. N0 in PYP's it's more beneficial to find townies than to find scum because you should put townies in top of draft order to ensure good roles are picked by town. Therefore i have way more townreads than scumreads, i have been townhunting more than scumhunting. Am i not allowed to have 10 townreads in a game where there is like 25 townies? If you disagree with them why don't you tell me where i am wrong or question me about the reads? Why just say "you can't do this". In last PYP i found 6 townies in the first 24h. So no, it's not unreasonable at all to have 10 townreads in my opinion. haha fuck I have to agree bitterly cause its rather right but I don't want to agree with it, cause I feel like a total idiot tbh. And being damned, I'd have to submit to your method for now. My day 1 is by far the weakest part of my game anyways so I cant criticize you for having a plan when honestly, I'm going to be sitting here considering everyone null. But I would say its hard to call everyone in that group town based on the statistics/intuition. Pick Me !!
Pick Me !!
Ken (can I call you that?)
Out of that list of 10; is Rayn was wrong about anyone; who do you think *could* be the most likely.
I guess in other words; when you say null; do you mean I have zero opinion or anyone, or there is not enough information to have a firm opinion?
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On December 02 2013 16:42 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 02 2013 16:33 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 16:26 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:uh no missed that sorry. I really don't know what you're accusing me of. Let's clear this up once and for all: I first provided a green read on VE AFTER rayn asked me. My reasoning was the same then as it was now: I've seen his play and know what it looks like. I came out in defense of him so hard because I know what an easy mislynch he is. He was mislynched in the last game I played and I've mislynched him before. He's an easy target for scum to jump on and I wanted to put a halt to any possible wagon that might start. onto gtrsrs... idk how it's fake, my case is like literally the second one made this game, I have no idea how it's "fake." I pointed out behavior I thought was scummy and how gtrsrs has not been playing with a town mindset. OK, I can leave the town VE read alone. I suppose everyone has their own special reads (e.g. Rayn with OdinofPergo). I don't like how you have gone about gtrsrs. My read on him aside (1) You made a case on a guy calling him out for flying under the radar -- yet you noticed him someone has to? I don't see how this is a problem. Are you saying we're both scum and I'm bussing? The point of scum hunting is to search out and find scum. Scum don't just magically lynch themselves, they have to be found first I am pointing out the irony of your case. If he is fulfilling a scum objective to blend in, he would not have stood out to you.
(2) Instead of probing to ascertain his alignment, you lead with a vote. With his amount of content I dont see how anyone could have such a strong read on him. What differentiates him from all the other trolls?
a) votes are the best way to gain information b) he's different because he's trying to look like he cares while at the same time trying to hide. c) Besides, it's the beginning of the game so I vote off of the information I have available to me. My vote isn't set in stone, it simply lies where I feel it is most appropriate at the moment So are you voting him for information, or because you think he is scum?
Like, in your case you originally point out LSB.
Why not probe LSB further instead of going for the easy path forward with gtrsrs?
(3) You aren't going out of your way to adapt your message to communicate it.
i.e. you put out a case and are happy to talk about other issues (in fairness you are being called out) but still. this reads like feigned contribution to me.
Somehow VE became a much bigger issue so I've kinda been dealing with that. Also gtrsrs hasn't been back in the thread so there's not much I can do until he responds to what I have to say This is acceptable.
(4) In Sicilian you were an unpleasant troll -- but town. Why can't gtrsrs fit this mould?
lol... was waiting for someone to point out I was an ass in Sicilian... I don't even remember why I trolled Sicilian, the point is I don't think gtrsrs is trolling, he just has anti town objectives. And what again is his specific objective that he is pushing? As far as I could see , he is self-centered. Which yes could be scum.. but as has been proved by game after game of forum mafia, could also be town.
I cant follow how you jump to this conclusion.
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On December 02 2013 16:53 Roffles wrote:
gtrsrs is bad town because he drew poorly and didn't get what he wanted.
JayBrundage is scum because the accusations are wild and have no basis and in general everything about his posting screams "blame x, y, z" even when confronted himself instead of simply taking the time to explain himself.
*is* = strong word.
Are you going to lead with a vote?
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On December 02 2013 17:00 Roffles wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 16:56 Oatsmaster wrote:On December 02 2013 16:53 Roffles wrote:
gtrsrs is bad town because he drew poorly and didn't get what he wanted.
JayBrundage is scum because the accusations are wild and have no basis and in general everything about his posting screams "blame x, y, z" even when confronted himself instead of simply taking the time to explain himself. What? This doesnt even make sense. How would gtrsrs' response be different if he was scum? Would'nt it be the same? How does wild accusations and 'blame x, y, x' make Jay scum? Seriously what is this?? You think scum makes posts that basically say "Fuck this game, I give up?" Cause I don't think anyone's dumb enough to attract attention to themselves through that method. I dont think gtrsrs is scum, but thats a stretch of his filter.
On December 02 2013 14:39 gtrsrs wrote:
so who took kha'zix? i declared that i was taking him and so you are scum for taking him. please come forward so i can lynch you
Doesn't sound like hes giving up to me?
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On December 02 2013 17:06 Roffles wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 17:02 Mocsta wrote:On December 02 2013 17:00 Roffles wrote:On December 02 2013 16:56 Oatsmaster wrote:On December 02 2013 16:53 Roffles wrote:
gtrsrs is bad town because he drew poorly and didn't get what he wanted.
JayBrundage is scum because the accusations are wild and have no basis and in general everything about his posting screams "blame x, y, z" even when confronted himself instead of simply taking the time to explain himself. What? This doesnt even make sense. How would gtrsrs' response be different if he was scum? Would'nt it be the same? How does wild accusations and 'blame x, y, x' make Jay scum? Seriously what is this?? You think scum makes posts that basically say "Fuck this game, I give up?" Cause I don't think anyone's dumb enough to attract attention to themselves through that method. I dont think gtrsrs is scum, but thats a stretch of his filter. On December 02 2013 14:39 gtrsrs wrote:
so who took kha'zix? i declared that i was taking him and so you are scum for taking him. please come forward so i can lynch you Doesn't sound like hes giving up to me? Doesn't sound like he cares what happens to anyone except that whoever took his champ gets lynched.
hmmm, perhaps this is just a matter of semantics/interpretations. All moot carry on.
Want to weigh in on this MZ stuff?
Is MZ overplaying bad town tells; or scum pushing lynch bait?
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