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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 07 2013 07:03 GMT
#4701
My activity is dropping a significant amount because i do not care to put effort into a game where people got themselves modkilled or don't care about the game at all.

That being said i will be voting for Cagulation until someone shoots him dead or we vote him dead.
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Rean
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands808 Posts
December 07 2013 07:45 GMT
#4702
Well, fuck, now I have to go find scum again. This is frustrating.
Rean
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands808 Posts
December 07 2013 07:46 GMT
#4703
On December 07 2013 16:45 Rean wrote:
Well, fuck, now I have to go find scum again. This is frustrating.


Do you even say again? I'm not sure if again would be appropriate if I didn't actually find scum the first time.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 07 2013 07:46 GMT
#4704
Maybe you could find scum in yourself?
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Rean
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands808 Posts
December 07 2013 07:49 GMT
#4705
If only I could.
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
December 07 2013 09:09 GMT
#4706
It's a 27 person game. You are going to get all kinds of players. One sour grape does not ruin the bunch. etc etc. Really the disgrace of this game isn't coag but the waves of butthurt from the active players. Shame on you especially rayn because I expected more from you.
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 07 2013 09:14 GMT
#4707
I never said will stop playing, i just don't wanna put effort into something other people do not give a shit about.
I have another game going on and i'd rather play with those people if these ones are not interested in playing.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 07 2013 10:49 GMT
#4708
mkfuba07 - based on marv town, so i don't really care to read him better.
justanothertownie - totally town. Invested in the game and trying to figure out shit.
sandroba - in case his meta has done a full 180 he is town.
Meapak_Ziphh - I still think MZ is being genuine and trying to find mafia. Anyways not a good lynch because he is amongst the people who are most willing to solve the game. Cases on him have been poor.
jcarlsoniv - I believe his "doctor" claim and his targets for lantern have been okay. I was not roleblocked on N1.
kushm4sta - feels like he is really invested in this game and he hates playing scum so i think he's town
JonnyLaw - feels genuine and while he has not done much his contributions have been okay
ticklishmusic - unless VE is mafia and/or he is lying about his role this guy is town.
gtrsrs - i think he's too confused at some points to be scum. kinda useless meh :/
Roffles - totally useless but i think he just does not give a fuck. but dick move analysis says he's town because he does not care if he lives or dies
Risen - Seems like normal town!idontgiveafuck!Risen. I think he would be more pro-active if he was scum. strong town read.
Oatsmaster - seems like usual town!Oats to me.

VisceraEyes - if has copped people town, if not scum. contributions are pretty non-existent. would like to see more from him.
Chezinu - has crumbed a lot of stuff i think mafia would not crumb. has also crumbed a lot of stuff that he should not crumb as town. i thought he was town but now i am not so sure of it any more. a good investigation target because definitely has a really strong role.
supersoft - on the other hand has town told a lot. On the other hand feels like he doesn't wanna do much while being quite active. ugh.. hard to tell, i would hope he posted more things that actually contribute to the game.

jaybrundage - some things are good, some things are terribad. could go either way.
Koshi - could go either way. needs to invent the police radio. If he doesn't, lynch him on D3. If he gives it to someone who is not likely to be town, lynch him on D3. other than his role i would say scum, because he is just playing so poorly.
Onegu - need to read his filter, i have not payed too much attention on him.
Mocsta - impossible to say. A part of me thinks he is town but a part of me refuses to believe that. I don't think his case on MZ was good and the way he approached it was even worse (not talking about Prome's case in the first place and then just trying to justify his case later on with it - i did not like it at all).

Mig - very very useless. I do not think he is here to find mafia.
LSB - talks about setup, then talks more about setup, then nothing useful. scum.
Rean - useless, like totally. only read he has had was austin and we all know what he flipped. most likely scum
Coagulation - useless [redacted]. kil, lynch or whatever with fire. nothing more to say.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 07 2013 10:50 GMT
#4709
EBWOP: sandroba - unless his meta has done a full 180 he is town.
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Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
December 07 2013 11:15 GMT
#4710
@JAT
As promised:

+ Show Spoiler [Response] +
On December 07 2013 00:38 justanothertownie wrote:
So, in the last game we played together (hogwarts) I could see Mocstas thought process very easily most of the time. Now while catching up I see so many posts I disagree on it is baffling.

Show nested quote +
On December 06 2013 10:06 Mocsta wrote:
@Geript
Me likey the jonnylaw stuff.
Completely on point in my opinion.

Austin/JL are definitely good lynch choices for today
Between those two I think Austin is a better choice for long gain (i.e. more valuable)
whereas JL could be a better choice for short gain (i.e. higher in the draft order, so most likely has a decent hero)

I'm going to stick with Austin as a better lynch choice for the long gain.


I don't follow this. If Austin is more valuable in the long run and JL in the short one we should lynch JL based on that logic (good hero). I don't even see why austin is better in the long gain.
Because Austin is a leader and coordinator and in general a highly experienced player.
If both were scum; Austin would be the kill that delivers a better outcome to town *always*
You can disagree, but this opinion is non-alignment indicative


Show nested quote +
On December 06 2013 12:21 Mocsta wrote:
On December 06 2013 12:14 JonnyLaw wrote:
I've talked about Kush all that I want to. Do you even read my filter?

I called out Kush, got shit on by a couple people because that's how he plays. I didn't realize people intentionally play like shit and post one liners that don't help town at all. That was my original complaint about rayn. Now he gets praised for having the largest filter in the game.

LSB is a good lynch because he contributes nothing to the game. I will vote you as well just like I said. You're wagoning whatever is easy.
JonnyLaw,
I'm going to choose my words carefully, after all there is no need to convince scum that they are scum.

(1) You are running a discredit campaign on me by twisting easy to prove facts. This *is* scummy

(2) How are you an easy bandwagon, when experienced players like Sandroba/Rayn don't agree with the strength of my read.
This is more discredit attempts

(3) If you did call me scum, you went about it in the most wishy-washy softly-spoken way possible, and that *is* scummy too.

All you say is you *could* lynch me.
Who are you *GOING* to lynch.

(1) Why would a scummer be such an idiot and attack you on easy to disprove grounds? That is not scummy in my opinion it is just dumb if you are right.
(2) Many people voiced concerns about him (even Prome who was one of the most influential people in this game - you even use his case yourself). -> Easy bandwagon.

(1) Scum love to run discredit campaigns. See Rayn in GoT especially.
Its an easy & effective tactic that works on the sheep masses of town.
Similar to why ad hominem response work so well in general.
Mafia is a game of different opinions. I find this to be a scummy tell in general - I don't care if you disagree.
(2) LOL. I was pushing JL long before Prome came in. I asked him to look into JL.
Prome's thoughts were synonymous with my own, and he flipped CONFIRMED town.
Far from an easy bandwagon.


Show nested quote +
On December 06 2013 12:48 Mocsta wrote:
I must say, in isolation.
Rean shooting Austin wtih VT 50KP and immediately following up with a vote looks pretty good to me.


This is so wrong. Why does that look good to you? He KNOWS it would be suspicious not to do so and it is the easiest way to play along without having to do shit.
I have already gone through this. I don't see how this action benefits scum in any, way, shape or form.
Unless this guy is off doing his own thing and not using scums inherent advantages, this move makes zero sense to me. Even Austin who wanted to lynch Rean, agreed with this point.


Show nested quote +
On December 06 2013 13:09 Mocsta wrote:
On December 06 2013 13:04 OdinOfPergo wrote:
Mocsta,

What gives you the impression he is going to push his vote at all?
Also, what per his day actions gives him any ability to help lead a scum agenda with his team if he is scum?
The only thing I get for it is a easy out later if Austin flips town. (Not convinced of at this point but need to finished filter... Dang I should probably completely ignore the thread and do that but meh. {This is townie Odin saying he don't give a rats if it takes him 10 hours to do huehue [But seriously I will have some reads out tonight pls no lynch until I do]}

Thats the point.

If he is Rean is scum bussing scum austin -- SURELY, he would be making a bigger HOO-HAA about it to lap up the town cred.

If Rean is scum faking a read on town austin -- I would have thought Austin is considered a threat and more KP would be on him. Its very disjointed to only have the 50KP, no? Clearly this is conjecture, but it makes sense to me.

If Rean is town, I can see this set of actions making sense.



Like, Im not saying Rean is town. Im just saying that this set of actions reads like a town play to me.

No, no, no. Austin was clearly not a threat to mafia and why the hell should they direct more KP at him? If he is faking a read on him + shooting him with so few dmg that's either because he wants to mislynch him (why shoot him with more KP ?) or to look better (why shoot him with more KP and confirm this wrong?).
See above. We can agree to disagree.


Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
December 07 2013 11:19 GMT
#4711
Is this List of people you find useless and colored dependijg on if you know their meta?
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
December 07 2013 11:22 GMT
#4712
Also I am quite annoyed by the leaving bitches. Wtf do they expect when joining? This is probably last big game I join, but probably not... fucking 10 replaces and 5 modkills.

Ah well. Sad is sad.
I had a good night of sleep.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 07 2013 11:23 GMT
#4713
Mocsta Prome's case on JL ended up in scum or noob. As did yours. Your case was nowhere near convincing because you end it up with "but i am not sure, he could be town too". I don't read cases like that because if you look like you don't even believe in your own case how could others believe you? This was one of the reasons why i voted for austin. All his reads were "this guy might be scum but idk*". Who the fuck are you going to convince that way? Unless you are scum and don't actually want to stick your neck out in the first place. I hope people would stop playing like that and actually try to convince people instead of being insecure and leaving themselves outs left and right. That's the dumbest thing a townie can do, not even believe himself..
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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
December 07 2013 11:38 GMT
#4714
Oh and I not playing poorly at all Mr rayn let's lynch townies all day everyday. Kkthx. Cuz it is proven that you yourself are incredible wrong about reads ALL the fucking time. So let's keep the X is bad talk away till you actually are figuring out the game. Because you are not. Proof? You lynched 2 townies. Kkthx rayn.
I had a good night of sleep.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
December 07 2013 11:41 GMT
#4715
gtrsrs - i think he's too confused at some points to be scum. kinda useless meh :/
Roffles - totally useless but i think he just does not give a fuck. but dick move analysis says he's town because he does not care if he lives or dies
Risen - Seems like normal town!idontgiveafuck!Risen. I think he would be more pro-active if he was scum. strong town read.
Rean - useless, like totally. only read he has had was austin and we all know what he flipped. most likely scum
Coagulation - useless [redacted]. kil, lynch or whatever with fire. nothing more to say.


...

gtrsrs could also be scum who lost track of this game.
Roffels could be everything. You can't tell me, that this shit is alignment indicative.
Risen is scum, because MZ is scum, too

"Meapak_Ziphh - I still think MZ is being genuine and trying to find mafia. Anyways not a good lynch because he is amongst the people who are most willing to solve the game. Cases on him have been poor."
- no cases exist in this game. My MZ analysis was the only thing that floats around in this thread.

Regarding your LSB read, this one is outdated. He contributed lately.
I told you last night to reread him.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 07 2013 11:45 GMT
#4716
supersoft i have no idea how your case is even a case. You bolded some words MZ wrote, you don't even say why they are scummy. The third quote does not even tell he is scum, it tells the opposite.

rereading LSB now.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 07 2013 11:46 GMT
#4717
On December 07 2013 20:38 Koshi wrote:
Oh and I not playing poorly at all Mr rayn let's lynch townies all day everyday. Kkthx. Cuz it is proven that you yourself are incredible wrong about reads ALL the fucking time. So let's keep the X is bad talk away till you actually are figuring out the game. Because you are not. Proof? You lynched 2 townies. Kkthx rayn.

I think you should die for this post you useless sheep.
Way to blame others when you are not even trying to scumhunt.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 07 2013 11:54 GMT
#4718
Yeah LSB's "contributions" have been terribad.
  • Austin could be scum or he could bo not
  • I want to lynch kushmasta and see me pushing him (makes a total of posts about him - the case is "he has no scumreads" which is not even true)
  • Says he wants to lynch someone who he is more certain of than austin
  • Votes for Roffles (lurker lynch - there is no way he is "certain of him being scum")

Which ones of his contributions were good again?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 07 2013 11:55 GMT
#4719
EBWOP: a total of 2 posts about kushmasta.

In addition to that i thought he had a scumread on VE, why not push someone he was "more certain of" instead of parking a vote on lurker!Roffles?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 07 2013 11:57 GMT
#4720
Koshi i got a question to you; Was Odin, your top scumread scum? What? Was he?
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