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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
On December 07 2013 11:00 Koshi wrote: rayn want me to sheep you? My own mind says MZ, but I can sheep if you really know mz is town and austin scum. Koshi I would encourage you to switch to austin. | ||
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justanothertownie
16322 Posts
On December 07 2013 10:54 jaybrundage wrote: Yea just finished reading MZ's filter I think that hes probably town he sounds sincere in alot of his posts. And austin is scum. Part of the reason why I think austin is scum is the first part of the game He SOLELY (hyberbole) gives town reads. He gives town read after town read after town read. This is very easy for scum to do. They know who's town so they can go off little things in posts to try to establish rap with other townies. (if he thinks im town he must be town reading me line of thinking) He then harps on MZ for bothering Koshi. Yes MZ is constantly bugging Koshi. I think the reason for MZ's tunneling Koshi is a couple reasons. A. MZ thinks Koshi might be scum. B. Koshi is inventor so he can make sweet stuff that ideally would be given to townies. C. Koshi being inventor IS NOT ALIGNMENT INDICATIVE D. Koshi is not contributing much to scum hunting E Koshi being scum in MZ's eyes and is being ignored as a lynch candidate because of his Power Is driving MZcrazy and makes it keep coming back to Koshi to put pressure on him. That is my idea why MZ kept bothering Koshi even tho hes not a lynch candidate atm. Austin had MZ as scum really early in the game and before the whole Koshi thing. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On December 07 2013 11:01 justanothertownie wrote: Great. Do you like that better rayn? no, i hate that. | ||
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justanothertownie
16322 Posts
Ok, that's at least something. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
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justanothertownie
16322 Posts
On December 04 2013 10:10 austinmcc wrote: I had MZ picked out as scummy from the way he was going after LSB. Going to reread MZ and a couple other folks, and will look at Jay now that he's come up, but I don't want to lynch any leading candidate. On December 04 2013 10:23 austinmcc wrote: VE, does MZ usually post a decent bit about you/your alignment? On December 04 2013 11:27 austinmcc wrote: Okay, that's fine. I really hated that he went through post after post after post to argue about your alignment, how many games you've played together, all these things you do as town and why you're town, then also dropped: Post was just out of place. All these other VE posts about how he's the magical VE-whisperer, and then a post count analysis on D1 ish in a game with a long pregame and just completely ignoring other games. I dunno, this post smelled. MZ's interactions with LSB felt very...fluffy. MZ doesn't like his claim but thinks he's telling the truth but might be hiding in plain sight and hasn't posted enough to draw conclusions about behavior. Then half or the majority of his posts from yesterday are just him sniping at LSB. + Show Spoiler + On December 03 2013 12:01 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: LSB I will take you using your role tonight as a scum claim. On December 03 2013 12:23 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: This is horrible horrible reasoning for a townie. a) who cares what you are, I am of the opinion that the less information we give the scum team the better b) being concerned about getting lynched is a very scum oriented mindset, townies have nothing to fear from the lynch because they are inherently innocent, it is a scum mindset to focus on not getting lynched. c) nobody cares about how much damage you do, you took a scum role, it should never be used d) the collateral damage your role does means it should never be used to target one person Seriously LSB it's pretty clear you are not looking at this from a town angle. This is a PYP game, there are so many unknowns that the less kp townies throw around the better. The last thing I want to see is for this town to shoot itself to death while scum laugh their way to gg. You throwing kp around indiscriminately is the most blatantly anti town thing done in this thread so far. On December 03 2013 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: wow, way to complete ignore everything I said, while at the same time verify my points that you aren't approaching this game from a town perspective. Roles =/= alignment, all you've done is blue hunt. The only people who benefit from that info are scum. Since gtrsrs looks like he's headed for a modkill might as well put my vote somewhere useful ##Unvote ##Vote: LSB On December 03 2013 12:36 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: To recap, all LSB has done is fish for blues. On top of that, he's interested in confirming himself "so he doesn't get lynched." He's gonna use KP to confirm himself like I can't get over how anti town that is. And going back to his claim, I said this early on too, it has the feel of a scum trying to hide in plain sight by claiming a blatantly anti town role. On December 03 2013 12:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Are you drunk? Because that would explain a lot of what's happened over the last couple hours. On December 03 2013 12:39 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: LSB For the love of all that is town Stop. Fucking. Blue. Hunting On December 03 2013 12:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: You said it yourself odin, LSB's actions this game have appeared scum motivated. On December 03 2013 13:32 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: This is complete fearmongering and speculation. However: (1) It doesn't feel like he's pushing his LSB scumread in the same way he pushed his townVE read, or even his very early bit on gtrsrs. He's directly engaging LSB, but rarely, if ever, is asking other people about LSB, trying to get their votes, etc. It's just...poking at a dude who is doing scummy stuff, over and over. (2) I can understand finding "blue hunting" scummy. But in PYP games, THIS HAPPENS. People get caught based on picks, roles, power usages, it's...it's part of a PYP game. It's not odd for someone to hunt, and it's not TERRIBLE to hunt because it DOES catch a mafia or two in a lot of/most PYP/PTP games. I don't like MZ using the phrase "blue hunting" without ever seeming to discuss or consider that this is a different beast than a normal game, and blue hunting may not be the most scummiest thing ever. It's not the most blatant scummy stuff ever, but his were some posts that just didn't feel like they were DOING anything to me. Looking closer, apart from the gtrsrs stuff very early, just trying to build discussion, his filter is pewp imo. And the very fact that he'd try to start discussion early and then just...fade away into poking at LBS doesn't sit well with me. Having a couple townie posts early on into nothing always seems like what scumvets do. Can we stop claiming austin had no scumreads now? This was waaaaay before MZ attacked Koshi btw. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On December 07 2013 11:03 justanothertownie wrote: Austin had MZ as scum really early in the game and before the whole Koshi thing. So because austin had MZ as scumread it gives him a free pass to harp on MZ about Koshi? To be honest MZ was being totally reasonable about Koshi, Koshi has been so fucking incredibly bad this game i don't even know what to think of him. Maybe we should lynch him on D3. | ||
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justanothertownie
16322 Posts
On December 07 2013 11:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: So because austin had MZ as scumread it gives him a free pass to harp on MZ about Koshi? To be honest MZ was being totally reasonable about Koshi, Koshi has been so fucking incredibly bad this game i don't even know what to think of him. Maybe we should lynch him on D3. Fair point but I was adressing jay who claimed austin only gave townreads. Also just because MZs attack on koshi might be somewhat justified this doesn't negate austins earlier points against him. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
It's not the most blatant scummy stuff ever, but his were some posts that just didn't feel like they were DOING anything to me. Looking closer, apart from the gtrsrs stuff very early, just trying to build discussion, his filter is pewp imo. And the very fact that he'd try to start discussion early and then just...fade away into poking at LBS doesn't sit well with me. Having a couple townie posts early on into nothing always seems like what scumvets do. no need to read the rest when the dude says it's not necessarily scummy. | ||
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justanothertownie
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justanothertownie
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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justanothertownie
16322 Posts
On December 07 2013 11:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: The point is it's not even a scumread to be taken seriously because austin himself says that does not necessarily make MZ scum.. But he is still saying he thinks MZ is scum and that's the point. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6786 Posts
On December 07 2013 11:07 Koshi wrote: MZ lynch then. It just.feels right. See its shit like this that pisses me off the most right now. Like really? This is the best you can do? | ||
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justanothertownie
16322 Posts
On December 07 2013 11:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: And for the record MZ explained his LSB stuff and it felt very genuine. Him pushing LSB and when people were not listening looking into other places. So people were listening to his points about Koshi? | ||
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justanothertownie
16322 Posts
On December 07 2013 11:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: See its shit like this that pisses me off the most right now. Like really? This is the best you can do? This anger is justified though. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
Vote whoever you think is scum. I'm going to bed. You know what i think. | ||
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justanothertownie
16322 Posts
On December 07 2013 11:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: idk what am i even doing. It's not my job to defend MZ. Vote whoever you think is scum. I'm going to bed. You know what i think. Yeah, I guess. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6786 Posts
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