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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
December 07 2013 00:50 GMT
#4481
rayn, could you direct me to what you feel is the best austin case? Sorry if this has been asked/given/pointed out a million times before, I'm in a bit of a time crunch and am having a lot of trouble deciding what to do...
Never trust a skinny innkeeper
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
December 07 2013 00:51 GMT
#4482
On December 07 2013 09:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
so geript, you're not gonna explain your vote on me?

Perhaps the points I made in my filter are enough. Or should I quote it here for you.
mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
December 07 2013 00:52 GMT
#4483
And as much as I think I'd find Chez entertaining if I'd been playing from the start and had time to interpret everything he says, it's making a lot of interactions and information difficult to pick out :S
Never trust a skinny innkeeper
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
December 07 2013 00:53 GMT
#4484
Guys I'm about to go out to eat, I want to resolve this now, I'm starting to get pissed off again.

I have the same amount of votes as austin who like half the thread has called scum and the people voting me can't even be bothered to actually figuring out why they're voting me. I'm absolutely done hearing about the VE shit. That was D0, if you weren't paying attention then that's your own fault. There is literally no case on me, I've sat here and waited for one so I could defend myself but one never appeared. I wasn't around yesterday, sue me, but I still think I deserve to actually understand why people are voting me.

I'll try and be on my phone.
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geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
December 07 2013 00:54 GMT
#4485
Welcome to the wonderful world of playing with the browncoat.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
December 07 2013 00:54 GMT
#4486
On December 06 2013 15:47 geript wrote:
@Austin. Honestly I'm frustratingly mixed on MZ. Like I think you have a great point that he doesn't push his scumreads half as forcefully as he does his VE townread. Like that's you're best point. But I feel like I have a really good grasp on WoS (<3 you wubbybumpkins--except you know making my player Uzi is totally a bastard host move), so I can understand his faith in that read.

But there's a point in the game where on D1 I'm a huge topic of issue but he doesn't follow up on it. It's like the perfect time to push me as scum and push me pretty hard as he likely could completely get away with it. On the reverse side, there's this post
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2013 16:13 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
here's what I got out of geript:

never once does he properly analyze oats and is content to simply lean on his "gut read"

he constantly talks about both oats and jay but never really tries to get people to join him and instead simply tells people to vote them because his targets are guaranteed scum.

The biggest thing I get out of geript is a bunch of noise and posts without doing anything substantial. For instance, he has his main targets but he brings up others on the side and never follows up. He's in that twilight zone where you can't blame him for the bum mislynch but he was definitely involved.

Probably the biggest thing in geript's favor is calling out people like austin and coag, both of whom are low content lurkers. If he's scum he could be bussing his teammates but it's a point in his favor that he doesn't let them fall through the cracks. However the reason why this doesn't clear him is because he never follows up with any of this. It's easy enough to call out lurkers as scum but he never actually follows through which makes me think this was an effort to appear protown.

geript is frustratingly inconclusive for me. He's done things I feel are scummy (hence my gutread) but I couldn't put it into a coherent analysis. This is the problem I was running into earlier in the game when I was looking at geript and sadly bum's death hasn't really made it any easier. He could be scum but I'd rather look into bum's other suspects right now.

Which I really don't like. He comes to a similar-ish conclusion to Prome (who gave me a stronger townie lean), like I don't like the thought process like this coming out of a vet. As a counter point:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2013 20:29 Promethelax wrote:
geript hard defends Rayn d0 and really puts his foot down about it. He takes a hard stance which I rather like. Its odd, everything I'm seeing seems to objectively point to scum but I don't find it convincing. There is something in how geript is thinking that seems silly but not scummy maybe? I can't explain it right. He is ringing all the scum bells but it feels like he is ringing them for the wrong reasons. He has all this ill founded bravado that I think would be hard for him to do as scum. He is very in your face and it seems townie.

I like geript's day one play, he is all around the place. Starts on jay but doesn't stick. Has gotten over his bad tunnel. HIts oats.

People who are all over the place, to me, tend to read as town. Like it's very hard to bounce between reads as scum and continue to juggle that. This is a "tell" that I've seen be so true so often and, iirc, many "pros" tend to share.

Next this is going to seem really weird to bring up, but I seem to have skimmed some important stuff.
[insert Jay's post on VE]
Here's 3 near instantaneous reactions
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2013 02:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
Jay where were posts like that one like...all game long?

Show nested quote +
On December 05 2013 02:17 Koshi wrote:
That post makes jay town in my book. Don't know if it makes VE more scum but delurk is delurky.

Show nested quote +
On December 05 2013 02:24 marvellosity wrote:
[i]I sat there and thought huh, that's interesting. Let's look in these spoilers. Oh yeah, VE did do that stuff jay said. He's actually gone and researched this. Hmm, this is an interesting perspective which gave some thought. *goes to move jay back from scummy to null in spreadsheet*. I wonder if it genuinely makes VE scummy or if it's just coincidence? Probably just coincidence for now, but it's interesting at any rate.

Like when I saw MZ and Marv's interaction and had to go back and reread Jay's post, my reaction was literally just like Koshi's. "wow that makes jay look towny."
MZ's reaction to Koshi seems really out of place and wrong. When good players read things completely differently that tends to be a warning flag for me.

Another thing that really bothers me is this:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2013 01:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
...you made kurumi get himself modkilled... have you ever seen a scum do that?

This seems like a really weird reaction to me. It's always been true that I've seen town get other town modkilled. Perhaps MZ's experience is different, but LIX is a good example of where Toadestern and somebody else ended up getting modkilled because other town brought up the rules and stuff and pushed it. In general, town tends to push other town to get modkilled and not the other way around so it seems really weird to me that this is his reaction.

In summary after looking and thinking more about his filter, I'd be down for a MZ lynch but not for most of the reasons you posted.
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jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
December 07 2013 00:56 GMT
#4487
Ok just finished reading austin's filter. What I didn't like about him is he gives out town reads like their candy. This is very easy for mafia to do because they know who's town.

He pokes at MZ the whole game for poking at koshi the whole game. MZ keeps bothering Koshi who shouldn't be on our lynching plan atm cause hes an inventor. MZ knows this and yet keeps poking I however think this more likely to be a paranoid townie that's tunneling a bit hard. As opposed to scum that's beating a dead horse.

Kush you said you don't want to lynch austin why is this.
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
December 07 2013 00:58 GMT
#4488
On December 07 2013 09:50 mkfuba07 wrote:
rayn, could you direct me to what you feel is the best austin case? Sorry if this has been asked/given/pointed out a million times before, I'm in a bit of a time crunch and am having a lot of trouble deciding what to do...

He has really bad reads which are not in fact reads. All he talks about is MZ/Rean and lately Roffles and everything he says about them is "this guy is scum if this guy is not" type of things.
table for two on a tv tray
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
December 07 2013 00:59 GMT
#4489
Okay, basically we have the following unpleasant situation:
We have 3 Lynchtargets and 2 hours left.
Two targets are just afk.
And I can't see much reasoning behind the votes.

________________________________________________________________________________

mig wtf. Explain your MZ vote! Discuss with me.
Rayn. reread MZ please.
Yes LSB looks scummy. I had a good feeling about him when he discussed the game with sandroba and myself recently. Before that he hid behind his list.
Does that make MZ look better. Pfff I don't know.

What do I make of MZs VE obsession early on?
VE has 1000 oneliners as I already pointed out.
If VE is scum, would scumMZ analyze him for like 5 posts... I don't know - i tend to say no.

VE was third party last game I played with him.
Somehow he has the same uninterested/egoistic mindset this game.
jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
December 07 2013 01:00 GMT
#4490
Damn I do wanna policy lynch roffles tho. He's playing sooooo anti town.

I know im biased tho because I don't really like roffles. It could be a big scum play so he can play like shit and get away with it.
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
December 07 2013 01:01 GMT
#4491
My vote on you MZ is because I believe both geript and Mocsta are town. They were a constant presence in this thread and they were giving opinions and putting them out there. Mocsta maybe a bit less than geript.
Anyway, they aren't scum.
rayn isn't scum
marv isn't scum.
Mig is being sincere I think and not scum.
supersoft is a bit harder but meh, null read that looks pretty willing to move thread forward constantly.

So I am just landed with you and VE on vets. And be it that you and VE are ignoring each other hardcore. Except VE saying that you attacking me was totally justified. (at least I think it was VE, but doesn't matter)

So yeah. I don't have strong strong feelings towards MZ lynch. But I think it is probably a good one.

Also, I am lacking any other decent read.

Also, you attacked me.

What can I say.

Life is life.
I had a good night of sleep.
jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
December 07 2013 01:02 GMT
#4492
I like the MZ lynch the least. I still think VE is still a good lynch target. Not sure about ss atm.

With how its looking I wanna lynch between roffles and austin
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
December 07 2013 01:03 GMT
#4493
On December 07 2013 09:53 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Guys I'm about to go out to eat, I want to resolve this now, I'm starting to get pissed off again.

I have the same amount of votes as austin who like half the thread has called scum and the people voting me can't even be bothered to actually figuring out why they're voting me. I'm absolutely done hearing about the VE shit. That was D0, if you weren't paying attention then that's your own fault. There is literally no case on me, I've sat here and waited for one so I could defend myself but one never appeared. I wasn't around yesterday, sue me, but I still think I deserve to actually understand why people are voting me.

I'll try and be on my phone.


Gosh I agree on that.

jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
December 07 2013 01:05 GMT
#4494
On December 07 2013 10:02 jaybrundage wrote:
I like the MZ lynch the least. I still think VE is still a good lynch target. Not sure about ss atm.

With how its looking I wanna lynch between roffles and austin


VE is not a good lynch target today
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supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
December 07 2013 01:05 GMT
#4495
On December 07 2013 10:01 Koshi wrote:
My vote on you MZ is because I believe both geript and Mocsta are town. They were a constant presence in this thread and they were giving opinions and putting them out there. Mocsta maybe a bit less than geript.
Anyway, they aren't scum.
rayn isn't scum
marv isn't scum.
Mig is being sincere I think and not scum.
supersoft is a bit harder but meh, null read that looks pretty willing to move thread forward constantly.

So I am just landed with you and VE on vets. And be it that you and VE are ignoring each other hardcore. Except VE saying that you attacking me was totally justified. (at least I think it was VE, but doesn't matter)

So yeah. I don't have strong strong feelings towards MZ lynch. But I think it is probably a good one.

Also, I am lacking any other decent read.

Also, you attacked me.

What can I say.

Life is life.


Koshi, that is nothing. It sounds like you just wrote that down from your memory. Did you actually reread anything to come to these conclusions?
You completely ignore BC aka Onegu and LSB on your vet-balancing discussion.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
December 07 2013 01:07 GMT
#4496
supersoft i am not going to look into MZ because there are better lynches like austin.
I don't even know what the case on MZ is (and no, geript's "case" is not a case).
table for two on a tv tray
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
December 07 2013 01:07 GMT
#4497
On December 07 2013 10:05 supersoft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2013 10:01 Koshi wrote:
My vote on you MZ is because I believe both geript and Mocsta are town. They were a constant presence in this thread and they were giving opinions and putting them out there. Mocsta maybe a bit less than geript.
Anyway, they aren't scum.
rayn isn't scum
marv isn't scum.
Mig is being sincere I think and not scum.
supersoft is a bit harder but meh, null read that looks pretty willing to move thread forward constantly.

So I am just landed with you and VE on vets. And be it that you and VE are ignoring each other hardcore. Except VE saying that you attacking me was totally justified. (at least I think it was VE, but doesn't matter)

So yeah. I don't have strong strong feelings towards MZ lynch. But I think it is probably a good one.

Also, I am lacking any other decent read.

Also, you attacked me.

What can I say.

Life is life.


Koshi, that is nothing. It sounds like you just wrote that down from your memory. Did you actually reread anything to come to these conclusions?
You completely ignore BC aka Onegu and LSB on your vet-balancing discussion.

Oh true. Onegu is BC. Interesting. I still like his Odin case a lot.
LSB I never heard of.
Meh, Like I said. I can be persuaded to lynch somebody else. But wishful thinking is preventing me.
I had a good night of sleep.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
December 07 2013 01:07 GMT
#4498
On December 07 2013 10:05 supersoft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2013 10:01 Koshi wrote:
My vote on you MZ is because I believe both geript and Mocsta are town. They were a constant presence in this thread and they were giving opinions and putting them out there. Mocsta maybe a bit less than geript.
Anyway, they aren't scum.
rayn isn't scum
marv isn't scum.
Mig is being sincere I think and not scum.
supersoft is a bit harder but meh, null read that looks pretty willing to move thread forward constantly.

So I am just landed with you and VE on vets. And be it that you and VE are ignoring each other hardcore. Except VE saying that you attacking me was totally justified. (at least I think it was VE, but doesn't matter)

So yeah. I don't have strong strong feelings towards MZ lynch. But I think it is probably a good one.

Also, I am lacking any other decent read.

Also, you attacked me.

What can I say.

Life is life.


Koshi, that is nothing. It sounds like you just wrote that down from your memory. Did you actually reread anything to come to these conclusions?
You completely ignore BC aka Onegu and LSB on your vet-balancing discussion.

Is LSB supposed to be good? His play surely doesn't suggest that. Also I still think vet-balance should not be a reason to lynch someone.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
December 07 2013 01:08 GMT
#4499
Woa I am playing like it's still mid-day.
This thread isn't even close to being ready for this lynch.
If we kill town tonight with 3 targets and 2 afklers, we will be completely emptyhanded d3.
Mid or Feed
Profile Joined November 2013
Korea (South)250 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-07 01:10:50
December 07 2013 01:10 GMT
#4500
Vote count:

supersoft (1): VisceraEyes, jaybrundage
Rean (0): raynpelikoneet
JonnyLaw (0): Mocsta, geript
austinmcc (5): Rean, sandroba, Mocsta, raynpelikoneet, justanothertownie, Oatsmaster, VisceraEyes, kushm4sta, sandroba, Meapak_Zipph
OdinOfPergo (1): Onegu
Koshi (0): Chezinu
kushm4sta (0): LSB, sandroba
ticklishmusic (0): ticklishmusic
jcarlsoniv (3): Risen, gtrsrs, kushm4sta, ticklishmusic
Chezinu (0): ticklishmusic
Meapak_Zipph (7): austinmcc, Mocsta, geript, Mig, Koshi, kushm4sta, Chezinu
Roffles (6): Oatsmaster, Roffles, supersoft, kushm4sta, jcarlsoniv, Coagulation, LSB, JonnyLaw
Risen (0): Koshi
VisceraEyes (0): jcarlsoniv
Mig (0): Chezinu
LSB (0): JonnyLaw

Modkill zone (4): mkfuba07, OdinOfPergo, justanothertownie, supersoft

Meapak_Ziphh is currently set to be lynched.
Voting thread is here. Please make sure all of your votes go in there, they don't count otherwise. Voting is mandatory.

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