EPTOn December 12 2013 12:14 Mig wrote:
Any concerns about coag/JL both voting roffles day2 sand?
Any concerns about coag/JL both voting roffles day2 sand?
I would check but on phone.
Was roffles vote leader when votes on, or just peace out votes?
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I would check but on phone. Was roffles vote leader when votes on, or just peace out votes? | ||
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On December 12 2013 13:51 LSB wrote: Is coag really that bad to simply fire a nuke for no real reason? He always has a reason for doing something strange. This is Wifom Injection at its finest. How about this reversal. Coag fired the nuke at Mz/fuba so u could make this argument in his death.... | ||
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On December 12 2013 13:57 LSB wrote: Coag was barely under any suspicion at the time. People only started voting him after he fired the nuke http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086¤tpage=246#4916 For the lazy reader. Correct. For the astutde reader, actually paying attention to the game. Coag was already being suspected leading up to the day post due to his constant absence | ||
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Explain why they didn't hammer Austin then either? | ||
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On December 12 2013 14:50 Oatsmaster wrote: Sandro is super bad as scum, he has no thread impact at all and he is a lurker. At least, thats what I think. And none of the 'vets' called him scum either so yeah. This aligns with what I have been told in the past about a town/scum Sandroba. | ||
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On December 12 2013 09:45 Mocsta wrote: Im tossing up between {Kush, LSB, MZ, Risen} for my vote today. Vote (1): Kush - On December 08 2013 19:19 kushm4sta wrote: Guy was campaigning to save Coag using faulty logic and just enough wishy-washyness to allow him to move his vote as required.*snip* Coag leans town. that is not gospel. That is a light read. What is IMO gospel is that he is not making up that nuke claim. I doubt scum coag is creative enough to pull that shit out of his ass. Tush never talks about JL except for a very bizarre spoiled post: On December 03 2013 06:51 kushm4sta wrote: This itself is a very awkward exchange and reads quite forced to me.@JL Hi I don't know exactly what I did to you but you are coming off as super angry with me, on a PERSONAL level. Like you don't like "my vibe" you said. I am really sorry if I have acted in a way that offended you. If you are more specific with what you don't like about me, I will try to change it. Kush then proceeds to list him as a scum read *ONLY* when hes become a popular choice; never commenting that I have been gunning for JL since Day dot (and as I am Kush's prime scum read, this should have occured) Vote (2): Between LSB, MZ, Risen Risen - Has JK power, so may have been a source of scum RB --> again, protecting JL was too obvious a move I think That aside, his contributions have been weak (which is probably a slight town lean for Risen) However, I don't understand why Rayn thought Risen is town from the mason logs. Its all Rayn saying "XYZ" and Risen saying "+1". Very rarely, if at all, does Risen contribute first. (which i think is a scum lean for anyone). Overall, Im pretty confused on Risen. I really would expect a scum Risen to be more vocal in general. If the team is full of "JL" though, hes probably demoralised?? I would think leave this guy alone till later. MZ - This ult thing is funny & i'm sick of him only coming into the thread when under pressure. Very similar attitude to jonny regarding thread input. I would seriously consider him as my second vote. But I can't get over the austin/roffles/MZ 3-way. In my head, all 3 horses were pretty even. If MZ is scum; I dont see why they wouldnt jump on Austin vs Roffles. This reads to me like they didnt care who was lynched, they just wanted an easy peace-out vote. LSB - Doesn't give a shit about the game. This is clear - its all token effort. Doesnt even follow up on his night action summaries - which was his only useful contribution. I just can't think of a pro for LSB in general. ##Vote: Kush ##Vote: LSB | ||
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 I had a chance to look into the votes, actually, nothing as conclusive as I had hoped. Mainly that LSB had a similar peace-out vote to Coag/JL -- but we already knew he was scum. I must add that Mig did a good job explaning to non-LoL people this thing about ults. I thought before his power was too weak, but this discrepancy in ults is damning I think. I am confident he's lying about his ult; which is not necessarily scummy. The problem is that as a top lynch cnadidate, he should be coming clean. That he is not, suggests he is trying to intentionally withhold information --> which now *is* scummy. ##Vote: MZ ##Vote: LSB | ||
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So far: Coag, JL, MZ, Onegu were all hardcore lurkers so filter diving shouldnt be too difficult. Everyone should do this! Regarding Votes: Day 1 On December 04 2013 11:38 Mid or Feed wrote: VisceraEyes (0): geript (2): Meapak_Zipph (0): jcarlsoniv (0): gtrsrs (1): Kurumi, Kurumi (0): bumatlarge (16): LSB, sandroba, marvellosity, Mig, kushm4sta (0): LSB (4): Mocsta (0): JonnyLaw (1): Oatsmaster (0): ticklishmusic (0): jaybrundage (4): kushm4sta, geript, Mocsta, OdinOfPergo Rean (1): austinmcc Modkill zone (1): StorrZerg Day 2 On December 07 2013 12:01 Mid or Feed wrote: supersoft (0): Rean (0): JonnyLaw (0): austinmcc (9): Rean, OdinOfPergo (1): Onegu Koshi (0): kushm4sta (0): ticklishmusic (0): jcarlsoniv (2): Chezinu (0): Meapak_Zipph (8): austinmcc, Mocsta, Roffles (6): Oatsmaster, Roffles, Risen (0): VisceraEyes (0): Mig (0): LSB (0): Modkill zone (1): OdinOfPergo, Day 3 On December 10 2013 10:55 Mid or Feed wrote: Meapak_Zipph (1): Koshi, Coagulation (19): Onegu, kushm4sta (1): Koshi (2): jaybrundage (0): supersoft (0): Modkill zone (0): Day 4 On December 13 2013 12:00 Mid or Feed wrote: Meapak_Ziphh (10): Risen, LSB, Roffles, sandroba, Mig, supersoft, Koshi, jcarlsoniv, justanothertownie, Mocsta jaybrundage (3): LSB, kushm4sta (0): LSB (11): Oatsmaster, Meapak_Ziphh, jaybrundage, Roffles, kushm4sta, sandroba, raynpelikoneet, Risen, Mig, jcarlsoniv, Mocsta Risen (1): gtrsrs (1): Koshi (0): Roffles (2): Oatsmaster, Meapak_Zipph Mocsta (1): kushm4sta Onegu (1): raynpelikoneet Modkill zone (2): gtrsrs, Onegu, | ||
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(1) This team is comfortable bussing/sacrificing. e.g. Onegu being the first vote on Coag. (2) I find it odd Risen votes JL Day1 and then "forgets" about him. Even in the mason QT http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086¤tpage=316#6312 (in ?D2?) Risen doesn't mention JL as a scum read until Rayn brings him up. raynpelikoneet Yeah. I think JonnyLaw is scum for what i said in thread. It makes no sense to me that he has changed his read on me and kush. What do you think of it? Risen I think he's scum for not pressuring me harder and trying to blend his soft push. So we're in agreement on that front. I don't know if he's my top scum read, though. Before: I am still working off LSB/jcarl scum reads. They might be outdated, but I've tunneled fairly hard onto them and I didn't see anything yesterday to sway me that much off them. (3) Kush has long periods of time defending flipped scum (Coag, MZ, JL) come to mind immediately. Even with Onegu, when calling him out he inserts "?maybe" But then look at the voting record: Day 1 - Jay (unknown) Day 2 - MZ Day 3 - Coag Day 4 - MZ + LSB On December 08 2013 19:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##Vote: Coagulation On December 08 2013 19:20 kushm4sta wrote: rayn why?? do you agree with me that he's not lying about the nuke? On December 10 2013 07:16 kushm4sta wrote: COAG IS NOT MAFIA. Think about his story. It is impossible to make up a lie like that as quickly as he did. On December 05 2013 02:54 kushm4sta wrote: nvm i read mz's filter and the dude is confirmed town imo. On December 06 2013 12:39 kushm4sta wrote: ##vote austin On December 06 2013 13:58 kushm4sta wrote: @austin your mz case is incredibly weak. Part of it is you dont like his poking. This is very vague reasoning. The majority of it has to do with BLUE HUNTING. I don't think I've ever seen someone find mafia by identifying blue hunting. On December 07 2013 23:54 kushm4sta wrote: I didn't have my voteon austin for that long. I was deciding who else to vote for. Dat shit logic. Voted for mz because it was between Austin and mz and I thought austin was hella town. | ||
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On December 13 2013 14:38 Risen wrote: Any conclusions mocsta? Or are you waiting for other people's. Go fuck yaself. Im barely finding time to post as it is; why don't you do something for once. Anyways, look above. | ||
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(2) Sandroba is so bad this game I dunno what I think of him anymore. Will wait for his "argument" before finalising my conclusion. (3) Koshi, me very disappointed in you. I sitll think your interactions with MZ make you town though. (4) ##Vote: JayBrundage Hes clearly trying to throw shit onto anything that sticks, and at this point in the game I find that very scummy when survival is paramount. | ||
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For those questioning my activity levels. Unfortunately its going to be like this till about Wednesday. We are heading into Xmas break, and last week a bunch of ppl got laid off. Job >>> Mafia. | ||
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On December 16 2013 09:42 Koshi wrote: I think Risen is a 50/50.Mocsta, please nail scum with Mocsta wisdom. We are lacking wisdom in this thread. I also got you as town hut many dont. We need you. On one hand: his play ties in with the selfish-mentality a lot of town players exhibit. On the other hand: his play is a solid method to hide behind actions that clearly benefit scum agenda. Mig was a solid scum hit. Influential; was starting to give a shit about the game again; and at this stage of the game: was unlikely to be lynched. A highly valuable NK. It really comes down to the WIFOM: Did Risen intentionally not shield Mig; or was Mig valuable enough as a scalp to shoot Mig regardless? Further, if we assume Sandroba is town: why a shielded Mig >> unshielded sandroba? The reason I endorse a Risen lynch (over JayB) is because the WIFOM above can't be answered and is going to continuously hang over his head. If he is town, scum will never shoot him with that type of doubt. I dont want to even consider going into MYLO with someone with those skeletons. ---- My top 2 leads are JayB + Kush. This is irrespective of how Risen flips. Kush, is like a crow just cawing in the background "Mocsta" but doing absolutely nothing to make it happen. JayB, is like a vulture just hovering about looking for a carcasse to feed on --> someone else killed the prey already --> still doing absolutely nothing to make it happen. ---- My unlynchables: JAT, Koshi, rayn, SS My should be towns: jcarl, oats, sandroba My leftovers: Kush, Roffles, Risen, JayB | ||
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I just checked and he never responded to my findings below: [----]On December 13 2013 14:41 Mocsta wrote: (2) I find it odd Risen votes JL Day1 and then "forgets" about him. Even in the mason QT http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086¤tpage=316#6312 (in ?D2?) Risen doesn't mention JL as a scum read until Rayn brings him up. raynpelikoneet Yeah. I think JonnyLaw is scum for what i said in thread. It makes no sense to me that he has changed his read on me and kush. What do you think of it? Risen I think he's scum for not pressuring me harder and trying to blend his soft push. So we're in agreement on that front. I don't know if he's my top scum read, though. Before: I am still working off LSB/jcarl scum reads. They might be outdated, but I've tunneled fairly hard onto them and I didn't see anything yesterday to sway me that much off them. [----] | ||
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On December 16 2013 11:01 jaybrundage wrote: Mocsta talk to me why you lied about your HP Is this even a question? And if by some chance it is, but are you aiming to achieve with this phrasing. Further, I have never shied away discussing this item. The answer s are in my filter. Have you actually bothered to look? It's ironic that in a post you quoted me, I even explained why it's stupid to think I am a caster vt. | ||
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1.15k is too much effort on phone. Frankly if I was a hero with 850hp. I would write 1k as well. Now. This really has no bearing on the game. As others have duly noted. The only reason scum would genuinely lie is to fake not being a caster for a miserly 50kp.... And as I said before. As a scum vt caster. It would be much better for me to claim it and hit town nominated targets. I get town cred and soak up zero responsibility. | ||
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Kp into Jay is my suggestion. | ||
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On December 16 2013 21:33 kushm4sta wrote: that doesn't count because he buddied me and it worked. plus i voted for him anyway which confirms that my townread on him wasn't that strong. Or u bussed the fuck out of him once it was clear he was getting lynched. | ||
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