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On December 18 2013 07:16 sandroba wrote:
Okay scratch that let me explain it again because I said under instead of over.
1)Mocsta realises mig can check people's HP. Claims 150 dmg so he can be sitting at his original HP amount.
2)Rayn claims the 25dmg, mocsta realises what went on and changes his claim to tank minion because that can't be easily confirmed.
3)If mig survives and checks mocsta he and finds 725hp mocsta simply says that he was hit by another 150 and his story can hold.
Number 1 point is the only thing that explains mocsta suddenly taking 150dmg, because he is caster minion.
Rayn getting hit by 25 is only explained by mocsta being caster minion also so there you have it.
It all adds up.
I mean, it sounds convoluted. But it logically makes sense and is entirely plausible.
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On December 18 2013 09:24 sandroba wrote:
I just googled that lord something and apparently he is AP carry. May you explains to us where this marksman thing appears in your role pm?
Correct, Forellenlord is the AP Carry for Alternate
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On December 18 2013 12:20 Mocsta wrote:
Guys. Please use ya head and not just wait fir sandroba to ignore everything.
Rayne taunt damage is most likely the byproduct of 3 nks that night with very little kp left over so they popped it there.
If I was trying to fake claim caster with the dmg I took. I could have easily done it night 1.
This is MYLO. Jayb is definitely the best lynch for today. Hands down.
I agree that I want JayB lynched. However, can we please observe this segment (again):
Because there is zero value to shooting someone to 50% and then lynching them....
You're the one who made this point. JayB has already been shot quite a few times by ss as far as we know.
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So to follow up on this, Mocsta - if it's a waste to lynch someone we've already poured resources into shooting, which I agree it is, who else would you lynch in JayB's place?
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On December 19 2013 02:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I stopped not lynching people who are lying when there is no reason to lie.
1k hp =/= 1150 hp and noone does not write their hp properly because of "it's hard to write 1150". Everything else i could buy but not that. If he is town it's unfortunate but the esiest solution is he is not town.
The fact that the strongest points that people keep mentioning are the hp "slip" and the 25 damage you took is the reason I haven't voted Moc yet. Like, he's responding thoroughly, he seems invested, but I need to here more from him when he comes back.
I've already explained my stance on his hp claim. The 25 damage that rayn got when he taunted is weird, and I would love a confirmation of the cause, but I've still got my reservations about a Mocsta lynch.
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On December 19 2013 03:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
In addition to that when all this happens i get hit by 25 kp every single night, but not before. Fishy much?
Well maybe Mocsta should not originally have lied about his HP so he could make his position better in this business.
I thought you only got hit by 25 on the night you taunted him?
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On December 19 2013 03:48 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2013 03:44 jcarlsoniv wrote:On December 19 2013 03:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
In addition to that when all this happens i get hit by 25 kp every single night, but not before. Fishy much?
Well maybe Mocsta should not originally have lied about his HP so he could make his position better in this business. I thought you only got hit by 25 on the night you taunted him? Nope. Later he taunted jay and got hit by 25 again.
oh...I missed that. And I assume jay has claimed a VT that would do 50 damage (I don't remember)?
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On December 19 2013 03:56 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2013 03:52 jcarlsoniv wrote:On December 19 2013 03:48 justanothertownie wrote:On December 19 2013 03:44 jcarlsoniv wrote:On December 19 2013 03:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
In addition to that when all this happens i get hit by 25 kp every single night, but not before. Fishy much?
Well maybe Mocsta should not originally have lied about his HP so he could make his position better in this business. I thought you only got hit by 25 on the night you taunted him? Nope. Later he taunted jay and got hit by 25 again. oh...I missed that. And I assume jay has claimed a VT that would do 50 damage (I don't remember)? As far as I know he claimed a different kind of VT. According to Sandro scum shot Rayn for 25 to give Mocsta cover.
I...find that somehow hard to believe.
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On December 19 2013 03:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
EBWOP: Oh you were talking about the next night. Yeah i don't know about that but the night i first got shot for 25 kp there was no reason to assume Risen will not shield us.
I agree with this. So we have few different scenarios (probably already covered, but I need to write it out to keep my thoughts straight):
- Scum threw 25 KP your way for two consecutive nights.
- Mocsta did damage to you one night, and in order to cover it up, scum dealt 25 random damage to you the next night.
- Both Mocsta and JayB dealt damage to you through taunts.
- You're lying about the damage.
Idk if I'm missing anything.
The third scenario makes the most logical sense, I think. Scenario 2 is a lot of WIFOM and seems very convoluted. I don't think 4 is the case, and 1 doesn't make much sense.
Scenario 3 wouldn't matter if both Mocsta and Jay hadn't claimed to be non-damaging VTs.
Now, we don't actually know how scum KP works in this game. It seems that they can split it up however they want (see - 1 damage night 1, 849 damage to ticklish night 2). So I guess scenario 1 is plausible, but I don't see the reason other than scum wanting to frame someone?
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On December 19 2013 04:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2013 04:09 jcarlsoniv wrote:On December 19 2013 03:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
EBWOP: Oh you were talking about the next night. Yeah i don't know about that but the night i first got shot for 25 kp there was no reason to assume Risen will not shield us. I agree with this. So we have few different scenarios (probably already covered, but I need to write it out to keep my thoughts straight): - Scum threw 25 KP your way for two consecutive nights.
- Mocsta did damage to you one night, and in order to cover it up, scum dealt 25 random damage to you the next night.
- Both Mocsta and JayB dealt damage to you through taunts.
- You're lying about the damage.
Idk if I'm missing anything. The third scenario makes the most logical sense, I think. Scenario 2 is a lot of WIFOM and seems very convoluted. I don't think 4 is the case, and 1 doesn't make much sense. Scenario 3 wouldn't matter if both Mocsta and Jay hadn't claimed to be non-damaging VTs. Now, we don't actually know how scum KP works in this game. It seems that they can split it up however they want (see - 1 damage night 1, 849 damage to ticklish night 2). So I guess scenario 1 is plausible, but I don't see the reason other than scum wanting to frame someone? (4) can't be true because Risen proves it.
Ah, right, thank you.
On December 19 2013 04:13 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2013 04:09 jcarlsoniv wrote:On December 19 2013 03:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
EBWOP: Oh you were talking about the next night. Yeah i don't know about that but the night i first got shot for 25 kp there was no reason to assume Risen will not shield us. I agree with this. So we have few different scenarios (probably already covered, but I need to write it out to keep my thoughts straight): - Scum threw 25 KP your way for two consecutive nights.
- Mocsta did damage to you one night, and in order to cover it up, scum dealt 25 random damage to you the next night.
- Both Mocsta and JayB dealt damage to you through taunts.
- You're lying about the damage.
Idk if I'm missing anything. The third scenario makes the most logical sense, I think. Scenario 2 is a lot of WIFOM and seems very convoluted. I don't think 4 is the case, and 1 doesn't make much sense. Scenario 3 wouldn't matter if both Mocsta and Jay hadn't claimed to be non-damaging VTs. Now, we don't actually know how scum KP works in this game. It seems that they can split it up however they want (see - 1 damage night 1, 849 damage to ticklish night 2). So I guess scenario 1 is plausible, but I don't see the reason other than scum wanting to frame someone? For Scenario 3 to be true Mocsta AND jay had to be liars/scum. I think this one is pretty unlikely.
Do you think it's more likely that scum is poking rayn with 25 damage starting the night rayn taunted Mocsta? Even though Risen's shield was completely available and should have been used to protect both of them? If I remember, Risen even said in thread that he would be shielding rayn (unless I'm confusing that with the QT).
Why wouldn't scum want to claim non-damaging VTs? Yes, they could easily claim damage VTs, but then there is the possibility of them being under heavy scrutiny if their damage comes into question?
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On December 19 2013 04:24 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2013 04:22 jcarlsoniv wrote:On December 19 2013 04:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 19 2013 04:09 jcarlsoniv wrote:On December 19 2013 03:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
EBWOP: Oh you were talking about the next night. Yeah i don't know about that but the night i first got shot for 25 kp there was no reason to assume Risen will not shield us. I agree with this. So we have few different scenarios (probably already covered, but I need to write it out to keep my thoughts straight): - Scum threw 25 KP your way for two consecutive nights.
- Mocsta did damage to you one night, and in order to cover it up, scum dealt 25 random damage to you the next night.
- Both Mocsta and JayB dealt damage to you through taunts.
- You're lying about the damage.
Idk if I'm missing anything. The third scenario makes the most logical sense, I think. Scenario 2 is a lot of WIFOM and seems very convoluted. I don't think 4 is the case, and 1 doesn't make much sense. Scenario 3 wouldn't matter if both Mocsta and Jay hadn't claimed to be non-damaging VTs. Now, we don't actually know how scum KP works in this game. It seems that they can split it up however they want (see - 1 damage night 1, 849 damage to ticklish night 2). So I guess scenario 1 is plausible, but I don't see the reason other than scum wanting to frame someone? (4) can't be true because Risen proves it. Ah, right, thank you. On December 19 2013 04:13 justanothertownie wrote:On December 19 2013 04:09 jcarlsoniv wrote:On December 19 2013 03:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
EBWOP: Oh you were talking about the next night. Yeah i don't know about that but the night i first got shot for 25 kp there was no reason to assume Risen will not shield us. I agree with this. So we have few different scenarios (probably already covered, but I need to write it out to keep my thoughts straight): - Scum threw 25 KP your way for two consecutive nights.
- Mocsta did damage to you one night, and in order to cover it up, scum dealt 25 random damage to you the next night.
- Both Mocsta and JayB dealt damage to you through taunts.
- You're lying about the damage.
Idk if I'm missing anything. The third scenario makes the most logical sense, I think. Scenario 2 is a lot of WIFOM and seems very convoluted. I don't think 4 is the case, and 1 doesn't make much sense. Scenario 3 wouldn't matter if both Mocsta and Jay hadn't claimed to be non-damaging VTs. Now, we don't actually know how scum KP works in this game. It seems that they can split it up however they want (see - 1 damage night 1, 849 damage to ticklish night 2). So I guess scenario 1 is plausible, but I don't see the reason other than scum wanting to frame someone? For Scenario 3 to be true Mocsta AND jay had to be liars/scum. I think this one is pretty unlikely. Do you think it's more likely that scum is poking rayn with 25 damage starting the night rayn taunted Mocsta? Even though Risen's shield was completely available and should have been used to protect both of them? If I remember, Risen even said in thread that he would be shielding rayn (unless I'm confusing that with the QT).
Why wouldn't scum want to claim non-damaging VTs? Yes, they could easily claim damage VTs, but then there is the possibility of them being under heavy scrutiny if their damage comes into question? I still think this is dumb but anyways: No, I don't think it makes any sense for scum to willingly poke rayn that night.
Oh, no, I also agree it's completely stupid. But look at the flips - we haven't seen anything that does damage lower than 50. Even Teemo shrooms deal 100 per phase for 3 phases. So unless scum is intentionally poking rayn for 25 damage a night (assuming they can split their damage like that), the only logical explanation is that 25 damage is the 50 damage from a taunted caster minion divided by 2.
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On December 19 2013 04:40 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2013 04:30 jcarlsoniv wrote:On December 19 2013 04:24 justanothertownie wrote:On December 19 2013 04:22 jcarlsoniv wrote:On December 19 2013 04:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 19 2013 04:09 jcarlsoniv wrote:On December 19 2013 03:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
EBWOP: Oh you were talking about the next night. Yeah i don't know about that but the night i first got shot for 25 kp there was no reason to assume Risen will not shield us. I agree with this. So we have few different scenarios (probably already covered, but I need to write it out to keep my thoughts straight): - Scum threw 25 KP your way for two consecutive nights.
- Mocsta did damage to you one night, and in order to cover it up, scum dealt 25 random damage to you the next night.
- Both Mocsta and JayB dealt damage to you through taunts.
- You're lying about the damage.
Idk if I'm missing anything. The third scenario makes the most logical sense, I think. Scenario 2 is a lot of WIFOM and seems very convoluted. I don't think 4 is the case, and 1 doesn't make much sense. Scenario 3 wouldn't matter if both Mocsta and Jay hadn't claimed to be non-damaging VTs. Now, we don't actually know how scum KP works in this game. It seems that they can split it up however they want (see - 1 damage night 1, 849 damage to ticklish night 2). So I guess scenario 1 is plausible, but I don't see the reason other than scum wanting to frame someone? (4) can't be true because Risen proves it. Ah, right, thank you. On December 19 2013 04:13 justanothertownie wrote:On December 19 2013 04:09 jcarlsoniv wrote:On December 19 2013 03:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
EBWOP: Oh you were talking about the next night. Yeah i don't know about that but the night i first got shot for 25 kp there was no reason to assume Risen will not shield us. I agree with this. So we have few different scenarios (probably already covered, but I need to write it out to keep my thoughts straight): - Scum threw 25 KP your way for two consecutive nights.
- Mocsta did damage to you one night, and in order to cover it up, scum dealt 25 random damage to you the next night.
- Both Mocsta and JayB dealt damage to you through taunts.
- You're lying about the damage.
Idk if I'm missing anything. The third scenario makes the most logical sense, I think. Scenario 2 is a lot of WIFOM and seems very convoluted. I don't think 4 is the case, and 1 doesn't make much sense. Scenario 3 wouldn't matter if both Mocsta and Jay hadn't claimed to be non-damaging VTs. Now, we don't actually know how scum KP works in this game. It seems that they can split it up however they want (see - 1 damage night 1, 849 damage to ticklish night 2). So I guess scenario 1 is plausible, but I don't see the reason other than scum wanting to frame someone? For Scenario 3 to be true Mocsta AND jay had to be liars/scum. I think this one is pretty unlikely. Do you think it's more likely that scum is poking rayn with 25 damage starting the night rayn taunted Mocsta? Even though Risen's shield was completely available and should have been used to protect both of them? If I remember, Risen even said in thread that he would be shielding rayn (unless I'm confusing that with the QT).
Why wouldn't scum want to claim non-damaging VTs? Yes, they could easily claim damage VTs, but then there is the possibility of them being under heavy scrutiny if their damage comes into question? I still think this is dumb but anyways: No, I don't think it makes any sense for scum to willingly poke rayn that night. Oh, no, I also agree it's completely stupid. But look at the flips - we haven't seen anything that does damage lower than 50. Even Teemo shrooms deal 100 per phase for 3 phases. So unless scum is intentionally poking rayn for 25 damage a night (assuming they can split their damage like that), the only logical explanation is that 25 damage is the 50 damage from a taunted caster minion divided by 2. Why do you even want to argue with me if we are saying the same thing?^^
Not arguing - trying to discuss. Because, as I said, I have my reservations about the Mocsta lynch, and I'm just trying to figure things out for myself.
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Thanks for making that easy Mocsta
##vote: Mocsta
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On December 19 2013 12:15 kushm4sta wrote:
next jbrundy dies definitely
giterdone
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On December 19 2013 21:19 Koshi wrote:
Question.
Who his alignment would you like to know not next day but the day after that? So somebody you suspect but won't lynch tomorrow.
I would honestly prefer something that gives us information immediately...
@JAT - if we want JayB to die (I do), the most logical way would likely be to shoot him dead. Mocsta's point of "you don't shoot someone to half and then lynch them" was true. But I'm not sure exactly how much KP we have and how much it will take to kill Jay, so my vote is on Oats right now for a lynch next? Kush super bus is possible though
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On December 19 2013 23:03 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2013 22:59 jcarlsoniv wrote:On December 19 2013 21:19 Koshi wrote:
Question.
Who his alignment would you like to know not next day but the day after that? So somebody you suspect but won't lynch tomorrow. I would honestly prefer something that gives us information immediately... Great idea! I shall ask the host for an item that reveals all the alignments with the daypost.
yay!
On December 19 2013 23:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
jcarl is there any reason why people (after Risen) who have gotten a lantern have not claimed getting it?
might have something to do with this post from me:
On December 13 2013 09:25 jcarlsoniv wrote:
I guess I'll consolidate votes to avoid any random funny business (although I don't know how much influence scum could have right now since there's no thread activity for scum to hide vote swaps).
##unvote: jaybrundage
##unvote: gtrsrs
##vote: M_Z
##vote: LSB
Also, from here on out, if you get a lantern from me, PLEASE DO NOT SAY SO IN THE THREAD. If you do get a lantern, I no longer care if you click it. If you do, scum can shoot me and hit both of us. If you don't, they can do whatever the hell they want to do. It makes no matter to me what you choose, but the less scum knows about my lantern's whereabouts, the better off we are.
I would prefer if they didn't claim because the less the scum team knows, the better. I don't care if they click it, they know the risks and the benefits of clicking vs not clicking. Is there any reason it should be public who has the lantern?
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On December 19 2013 23:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yes, when the lantern does not matter to you any more (i.e. after the phase you had it) you should claim you had it, obviously...
oh, right, yeah, I'm fine with that
ss had it last night
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On December 19 2013 23:09 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2013 23:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yes, when the lantern does not matter to you any more (i.e. after the phase you had it) you should claim you had it, obviously... oh, right, yeah, I'm fine with that ss had it last night
just remembered, ss claimed he had it last night ~_~
On December 17 2013 18:35 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2013 17:14 Koshi wrote:
I am going to take it soniv and some townie did big plays?
I would say confirm it and stop doing lantarn play rofl.
I got 200 damage. maybe ^_^ I took the lantern
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On December 19 2013 23:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Is there any reason you have not given Koshi the lantern?
On December 19 2013 23:11 Koshi wrote:
why are you fishing? wtf?
this conversation can wait til the morning
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On December 19 2013 23:12 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2013 23:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Is there any reason you have not given Koshi the lantern? this conversation can wait til the morning
or, rather, my responses to the conversation
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