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On December 04 2013 20:37 marvellosity wrote: I'm in no hurry, if i die somehow tonight you'll filter me, otherwise we'll be alive to talk about it tomorrow. Not rehashing my filter because you're lazy, dear. fair enough. Its mostly that I'm prioritizing people I don't have town reads on and ignoring people who are good night shots. I don't have to analyse dead people and I figure some combination of VE/SS/You/Rayn maybe me/austin/mig will be dead. If however many of those are flipped town I get to read their filters as buddies and assume they know things. If I die I don't have to read shit. Win win. | ||
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I'd still like reads on replacement slots from Supersoft, VE and Sandro. I know VE has not forgotten this and will be providing these reads soon. marv, austin and Rayn please comment on the validity of town reading Ticklish and Jay off of the fact that they forgot to send in picks during the number phase. I believe this is a valid heuristic and would like input on the subject. On December 04 2013 20:44 marvellosity wrote: Given the tone of the post, I'm not sure why you're taking it seriously at all? I think you are right marv, I wasn't in the game at the time and was ascribing a seriousness to the post which did not necessarily exist. However, since it may have existed geript could you please explain your reasoning for the post on zero bans. Thanks.I'm also interested in how you, geript, feel in general now that I have partially filtered you as you asked. As other people have said the Kuru self modkill is likely town. As a host I believe it would be unfair to allow a scum slot to remain in the game after a stunt like that so if he is replaced he is most likely town. Those of you who remember a BC/Palmar/Geript lylo will understand that kuru's slot cannot be brought to lylo with that reasoning for his townieness though. At some point either his slot has to die or shape up. Koshi whatever it you you are trying to do, assuming you are town, is awful. Stop it. It is severely degrading town atmosphere for no reason. The fact that I know you can be bettter than this only makes your play even more dubious. Shape up d2 or get lynched. On December 04 2013 21:23 supersoft wrote: i like your entrance. we will talk later ;-) why is Supersoft so disengaged from the thread. I don't remember ever seeing him play this way. He doesn't even have anything bad to say about me or my reads. I get a hinky feeling from his two posts since I've joined the game. Can anyone give me a recent example where Super was town and plays this way? Or scum and plays this way? As far as I can tell his current behaviour is a total derivation from his usual play as ether alignment but viewed on its own is somewhat meh. In writing this I had a revelation. It is night time. SS is not anywhere near as hinky as I though for those posts. Assuming he resumes play during the day all is well. Not deleting this part of my post though. Something others should keep in mind. I am adding my voice to those who are aware of Roffles from TL as a whole. He is known for being somewhat abrasive and not so useful. His play this game does not surprise be but it certainly doesn't gladden me. I wouldn't be all that sad if he was vigged but he is not at all alone in that category. On the same note, Onegu keeps grabbing for sympathy. Its sickening. I choose to believe that the things he says are true (if they aren't he is a disgusting individual using a handicapped son's ill health as an excuse in a mafia game) but as much as I am sorry for Onegu that his son is not well I'd like to never have to hear about it in this game again. In all callousness I don't give a damn about your son while we're playing this game. When the game is over or we are both dead you can talk to me about your family as much as you want. Right now, here, you need to stop excusing your absences while doing nothing and play the game to the best of your ability or ask to be replaced. If real life is so hard that you do not have time to post anything about the game or read the thread than replace and no hard feelings, that is exactly why replacements exist. If you choose to stay in the game though I, and others, will force you to play it. Onegu, I'd love for you to play with us but right now that isn't what you are doing. P.S. I hate the word 'sorry' Tl:dr an emotional appeal to Onegu to either replace out because irl is too much right now or to play the game. Conclusion: Onegu remains a 4. On December 05 2013 02:17 VisceraEyes wrote: Jay where were posts like that one like...all game long? Its is night one. Where should they have been? Since you see merit in the post please do me the favour of refuting it with logic and not caps lock emotions. I need this from you. On December 05 2013 03:39 VisceraEyes wrote: It was not a nitpick. I ASKED HIM A QUESTION. I admit it was phrased poorly, but it looked like he was fine with a bum lynch. So why vote Jay instead? See what I'm saying? Woahwoahwoah, take a step back cowboy. Let me lead you though a little dance 1. VE calls out Odin for focusing on bum but voting jay 2. VE says Odin is a town read of his 3. Kush notes that Odin's post did not do the scummy thing that VE claimed 4. VE gets fake mad at Kush with big ole caps lock 5. VE continues to pretend that his question wasn't bad and that he is town. yeah, you get where I'm going here but Kush makes a totally good and valid point. You. VE, do nothing to counter his point and nothing to suggest why it made any sense to pull out a quote of Odin's to question him on while he is not here even though Odin is a town read of yours and you are not questioning anyone else. On December 05 2013 01:26 gtrsrs wrote: i'm going to the gym. when i get back i'm going to take a shower and make breakfast. if my girlfriend is still asleep and nothing comes up by that point, i'll make my case for a lynch. if she's up, my case will have to wait until probably 3pm pst today. either way i'll do my best to have a cohesive lynch case by the end of today (dec 4th) i feel strongly about my read. if my case is strong enough to convince you to lynch my suspect, and i turn out wrong, i'd like to be lynched the next day please. i just simply don't feel strongly enough about anyone other than my target to make any conclusive assessments yet, yet i feel like you guys are putting a lot of pressure on lurkers to perform more (and rightly so). i will probably have my confidence shaken and be even more worthless if i'm wrong on this one thanks I'm so sorry Johhnylaw! I said you had the worst single post in the game. I lied. gtsrs has the worst post of the game (which I have read so far, there might be a hidden gem) Breakdown of why this post is awful and makes gtsrs red on my spreadsheet (if I had one he would be anyway) 1. pre excuses lurking 2. says he will make a case on a particular individual but does not name the individual, leaving room to make a case on the town wagon leader and claiming credit for an early read. 3. pre excuses that read flipping town 4. martyrs early all in all the above post is an attempt to do dick all. Take credit for leading a lynch. Be useless. Garner pity. would lynch rated a solid 4.5 On JayB his recent post on VE isa solidly town oriented piece. It gives, in my opinion, town points to Jay as he is clearly thinking about the situation in which this game exists in relation to other games in the past. He went out and found the quotes to fit his case and made interesting points. I don't happen to find anything he said particularly convincing but I'm happy he said it as it shows that he is in fact thinking critically about the game. I cannot understand what conclusion MZ reached about the post I just referenced to be so incensed by Koshi's minimal, but accurate, response to it. MZ please explain your reading of Jay's post that you found what Koshi said top be unlikely from town-Koshi. Kush you wanted recent good cases? I made a set of cases when I entered the game for Kush, JayB, LSB (less so) and geript being town while Onegu and Coag were on the scum side of null I also made cases for Johnnylaw and gtsrs being scum and half a scum case on VE in this post. My filter is short, you can find all of them. | ||
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2= likely town 3= null 4= willing to lynch 5= preferred lynch If you can't distill my reads from my posts you aren't reading them. Its night time I don't feel a need to lay out my top priority lynches in order for you. If I die I have an awesome filter for you to read. If I live we can talk about it when I push I lynch. | ||
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I'm willing to read into Rean if you are willing to respond to and interact with my cases/reads telling me what you agree with and what you disagree with and bringing new thoughts to the table. | ||
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On December 05 2013 05:43 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay fuck your request bitch. I'll filter who I wanted to originally then. Jesus Christ. No its a serious question, You don't get out of it by pretending to be mad. What is it about my play that has caused you to lodge your tongue in my rectum so thoroughly? Explain it to me, you aren't so lacking in confidence that you would follow my lead when I replaced in 20 hours ago and you've been here since the start without good reasons. Explain those reasons butt licker! | ||
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On December 05 2013 05:50 VisceraEyes wrote: The fact of the matter is that you just replaced and you have a more objective mindset than I do. I've been explicit about my fear of confirmation bias and if I can do ANYTHING to help you, my strongest townread in the game based on your entrance, I'm going to do it. I can wait to do MY filters until I have more fucking time Prom. I don't have fucking time to do it all. If you think I sound angry, it's not because I'm faking it. It's because you're jumping to conclusions, and I know you're better than that. Now do you want me to filter your choices or mine? Don't give me any "Oh he's trying to avoid giving us his own thoughts" bullshit Prom, answer my question. VE I'm actually being very reasonable. You haven't stated anywhere why you have such a strong town read on me and that is what my colourful language is expressing. You have been very into me and asking me to tell you what to do but haven't qualified why I am your strongest town read or done anything with that. Of course I'd like your thoughts on the filters I originally picked out and the ones your were thinking of. For now I'd like your thoughts on your filters +johhnylaw and jayB. Along with this I'd like a succinct answer about the Odin stuff. If I'm your strongest town read your choice to alienate me by yelling is silly. I don't understand it at all. JAT: I finished my Rean analysis. I'll post it when you have posted on my cases. Don't bitch at me about not fair, I replaced into a game 20 hours ago and have more content than anyone else. | ||
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On December 05 2013 06:11 marvellosity wrote: bitch please, you just spend 20 words to say what I say in 2. yeah I think Gonzaw might have died and decided to possess me. | ||
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Between jcarl and Johhnylaw which would you lynch? | ||
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On December 05 2013 06:59 justanothertownie wrote: Will you stop holding your read hostage now Prome? Yep, sorry I was out while you posted your responses (i.e. your +1s, you seriously barely disagreed with me on anything besides saying you didn't terribly like LSB nor think he should be given a free pass for his no scum hunting. Something I agree with implicitly in my post. Anywho Rean Another low content player. I really wish there weren't so many of these but ah well, its just night one. Rean starts by roleplaying some guy named doublelift who is an asshole. He stops the roleplaying pretty quickly though which I am not sure I really understand. There was no pressure on him for roleplaying and, given that he had asked the mods about it he clearly wanted to role play at least some. I take his early posting as alignment null but potentially interesting. Rean approaches the ban phase very openly but it is a time which is very easy for a scum player to be open. A scummer just has to look at the hero (is it champion in LoL?) list and go "I want that hero, better mention to town that scum would want that hero" in general its an easy time to be active and involved for both townies and scum. It is therefore an easy time to gauge later activity, when it is harder to say things as scum because there are less clear rights and wrongs. Rean has two very brazen posts in a row + Show Spoiler [1] + On November 30 2013 13:11 Rean wrote: I got this, dw. I'm good at yelling at people until they do as I say. I like yelling at people until they do as I say. On November 30 2013 13:39 Rean wrote: We ban based on the info we have because it's all we can do. these posts seem unlikely to be from mafia. They are an attempt by Rean to be in the middle of things and get his voice heard. The thing is that his voice is a parrot during this whole event sheeping the things Sandro said. All in all this early part of Rean's filter gives me a town lean. Rean later comments on the whole roleplaying bit from earlier On November 30 2013 15:06 Rean wrote: Can you guys stop shitting up this thread with bullshit discussions about my alignment based on me RPing as DL. It doesn't say shit about my alignment and discussing it is a waste of time, we should worry about bans instead. nice really. Doesn't seem to give a damn what people think and says this discussion is silly. I agree its impossible to draw conclusions from that early play and I think Rean simply trying to shut it down because of the silliness of it rather than fight about how he is townie adds some points to the town column. On December 04 2013 06:39 Rean wrote: I'm not actively reading the thread, just happened to be around at the time. And it really annoyed me that apparently it's okay to tell others to kill themselves over a fucking game. ATM I don't have any opinions on anyone, didn't really read that much of the thread. Prolly gonna find someone that looks town enough and go full sheep. I'm also a fan of this post. Rean was saying in BttB (I think, I just read marv's post) that he feels super pressured as scum and freaks out. Scum usually realize how damn silly it is to say I'ma sheep town dude +1+1 blah blah blah. I'm more used to seeing townies do this and,as its an attention grabber, not something I see a scared scum doing. From what he has posted I'll take a town lean on Rean. My major problems with him are how little he posted during d1 itself and even less in n1. He was very active during the pre-day phase when pressure on scum is minimal but hasn't done dick since. His play itself is not too concerning and if we were still in the middle of d1 I'd read him as pretty town. As it is he is a town lean. Overall: 2.5 rounding up or down based on how he acts and how much he posts during the coming cycle. | ||
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On December 05 2013 08:03 JonnyLaw wrote: Prome your case on me cannot ignore that early game league discussion. I was discussing with Bum the best champs to pick and ban because I thought it could help us win the game. I started this game trying to see how people play. I quickly realized that with a list of 30 players a lot of which already know each other from previous games this is difficult. Take for example when I "called kush a weird dude" I was quickly jumped on by people saying that's how kush should be playing. He came into the thread threw out a couple reads and then posts one liners the rest of the game. That seems suspicious to me. If that's how he plays then fine. -snip- Why do Rean, Onegu, Coag, Kenpachi and Gtrsr all get byes for lurking? This post is getting too long. I'll follow it up with the rest of my thoughts shortly. so two things about this, 1 yes I can and will ignore how the thread was progressing during that time. I was not in the thread and can't analyse what the thread was doing as a whole during its organic evolution. Instead I am looking at individuals separate from the thread. 2. To the bolded (his emphasis not mine): hehehehehehehehe. I've posted on all of those players besides Kenpachi (who even knew he was in the game? Not I) and what you are doing is shouting out a list of players and begging the thread which, right now is me, VE and marv, to attacka lurker for you. Of those I find Rean townie Coag scummy Onegu so unreadble as to be worth killing and gtsrs rather townie. Now if you want the thread to pursue one of those targets who you so ineptly try to accuse of something you can make a case on them. This post pushes you further into scum category for me. LSB is an easy target and has been talked to death, you didn't add anything to the case against him and, therefore, I do not find this case to give you townie points. Conclusion still scummy. | ||
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On December 05 2013 08:28 justanothertownie wrote: Hm, ok Prome. What you forgot to mention is that Rean was here most of the time and commented only on non game relevant things (almost instantly when they happened) but still claimed to not read the thread and excused himself like that. Reads to me like he is afraid to say something he can be hold responsible for in the long run - why hold back like that as town if he doesn't care how he looks anyways? But I get the feeling that points towards town for you too. If all those pople are town - how do we win this game? Yeah, I gave you many +1s. I dont deny that. If I had seen something I really really disagree with I would have said it before you had to ask me to comment. I wasn't in the game to see the timings. I see his posting as it is to be townie. Since I cannot get the feeling of the timings I leave my read based on what he has posted. His general posting while not terribly impressive or useful but they do strike me as rather fearless which is a townie trait. Mentality Meta Mindset. The three Ms of mafia. | ||
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On December 05 2013 08:39 JonnyLaw wrote: You're convinced LSB is town then? I find nothing gtrs has done to be town leaning. He wrote a bunch of posts about champions in league then wrote a case on jcarl that serves to defend himself. That's it. Either league abilities or attacking soniv. LSB = town? Nien. I am convinced that what LSB has done so far has been pro town and would not be hard to fake as scum. If he scum hunts well in next day he is town. If not he is scum. He is not someone I am interested in lynching d2. I am interested in lynching him d3 if he continues to provide only those things which are easy to provide as scum. The attack on soniv shows a thought process that, while not one I totally agree with, seems to be trying to find scum. Its a townie kind of way to look at the world. I didn't feel like he was trying to justify lynching soniv he was trying to find scum. | ||
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On December 05 2013 09:13 jcarlsoniv wrote: I highly disagree with this. He might not be trying to lynch me in particular. But it's a fairly easy case for him to start because bum was tunneling me, and he just flipped green. It's an easy transition for him to make. And the case was incredibly flimsy. Long, detailed, but full of fabrications and reading red from nothing. I don't know your personality well I've played one game with you that I can remember and it was a hydra game where I wrote you/wave off as town early because you were town. I liked that Guitars Are Us was looking into things based on your personality and what he saw as differing from that. Having played scum I believe that would be a hard case to write as scum because he has to set himself up to 1v1 you and be the expert on you. Also the weird overstepping paranoia around your role/character names is a townie trait, its just so out there and precise in its out-there-ness that it smells like strawberries. | ||
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On December 05 2013 09:28 geript wrote: Also, now that Warwick is out. I think it's a good time for everyone to claim their player and champion. I'm Uzi and I'm playing twitch. Why is that a good idea? There are a million hidden powers and it seems likely that at least one of them is also related to names/champions. I liked you explanation for NO BANS! so explain why we need FULL CLAIMS! Why is it ever a good idea to claim our person names? They have no relation to our roles or abilities and could be punishable by said hidden abilities (like Warwick's non-hidden one) | ||
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On December 05 2013 09:34 jcarlsoniv wrote: Except that he's talking about my personality as if he knows me on a personal level, which he certainly does not. He talks as if he really gets me and knows how I react to things I mean, that's somewhat fair, but at least I've been here, trying to do things. Making attempts, maybe incorrectly. Gatorserious comes back from inactivity and useless spam with a case that has an incredibly soft foundation based on the fact that he thinks he understands my interactions. And this is why I wish wave was in this game to refute/support those things since I know to trust his assessment of your personality. So you think scum gtrsrs attacked town Soniv based on personality traits which gtrsrs totally made up and have no foundation in reality? Is that more likely than town gtrsrs making a case on alignment Soniv based on something which he, gtrsrs believes to be true about Soniv despite the protestations of his target? If I'm correct in assuming that Guitars are Us came from LoL subforum and has played minimal mafia than you are the person he knows best in this player list. The fact that he turned on his most likely ally in the thread seems to point to someone not looking for allies. The above has been colour coded for your convenience/my amusement. | ||
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