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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
Also, I decided to look over a couple of his old games (Noir and Golden Sun) and he seems to do a lot of meta reads on people, which he hasn't done here at all. He even brags about it at the end of GS: On September 28 2013 02:10 kushm4sta wrote: Bh what was the point of that smurf? Because you are afraid of my meta skills? + Show Spoiler + Also, this smiley:  | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On December 05 2013 04:30 ticklishmusic wrote: I'm really disliking kush right now. went through his filter, and he hasn't had a single real analysis except for his scumread on kurumi, which he later retracted and even called crap. Also, I decided to look over a couple of his old games (Noir and Golden Sun) and he seems to do a lot of meta reads on people, which he hasn't done here at all. He even brags about it at the end of GS: + Show Spoiler + Also, this smiley: Do you think kushmasta's play is different than in both of those games? | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On December 04 2013 04:39 VisceraEyes wrote: Like whether you believe he knew Num was picking Tryn or not, the inconsistency of him wanting to confirm his role immediately is too me more damning than anything bum has done. On December 04 2013 06:40 VisceraEyes wrote: IF you believe he's capable of this as town, then you have to believe he's capable of the same as scum, including visiting his QT before posting or picking. I don't understand why you think that if he's scum he has to check the QT before he picks. Further I don't understand why you think that he wouldn't pick Tryn even though Bum said he was picking it. Like, I almost guarantee Kass is in the game in spite of me saying I was going to take it. Not because I know or anything but because it's an attractive role for scum if used properly. Tryn is the same - why could he not claim it and let town direct him if town is going to herp derp and tell him to hit a bunch of townies? I don't buy it sand - I don't buy that he was ever concerned about potentially game-breaking abilities while in the same breath calling for people to augment his senseless N1 "confirmation whirl". I don't buy that he's reading the thread and coming to conclusions about peoples' alignments, and I don't buy that he just randomly picked a character like Tryn before seeing if someone was going to pick it. Rayn must have missed these in his extensive filtering. I'm so sick of your crap Rayn. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On December 05 2013 04:35 VisceraEyes wrote: Rayn must have missed these in his extensive filtering. I'm so sick of your crap Rayn. So how does this make LSB town if bum is town? Because i see you saying the opposite. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On December 05 2013 04:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: Do you think kushmasta's play is different than in both of those games? He blames inactivity in Noir mostly so I'm not basing my read off that as much. Then in GS he's screaming about how he knows everything, doing meta reads, etc. It's pretty different from how he's been here. We can discount the profanity because of his frustration for being ignored there. However, no meta reads even playing with a similar cohort is rather suspicious, as is asking questions but rarely offering his own analysis. The trolling/ whatever is normal enough, but there's no analysis sprinkled in between those comments. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On December 04 2013 03:57 sandroba wrote: People voting LSB here is what I think: It is only possible LSB is scum if bum is scum. If Bum is town and LSB is scum, LSB wouldn't have taken trynn, because his team would have told him not to do so since Bum was probably going to take it. If Bum is scum and LSB is scum, he could have dropped it to LSB, but I don't think that's the most likely scenario. If Bum is scum and LSB is town and just replaced in and didn't read bum's plans he could have went for tryn. This seems likely to me because LSB only noticed Bum didn't follow his own plan after BC called out bum on it. The other scenario is bum and lsb are town, which is also possible. But the base line is, if you think LSB is scum vote Bum first. I bet you any amount you want that if LSB was scum and just replaced in he would have consulted with his team before picking something and they would have told him Bum was planning on picking trynn. On December 04 2013 15:45 VisceraEyes wrote: gtsrs still a good lynch. LSB less so, in spite of me arguing it earlier. After thinking about it, it IS slightly less likely that LSB is scum since Bum was town. I still think that LSB being last pick would have tried for Tryn as scum, but I don't know if that's bias, or vet paranoia, or if I actually remember LSB being that bold as scum. I concede that it's more likely that he's town now that Bum has flipped town. soniv still looks pretty bad to me. My filter-list looks like this overnight: jcarlsoniv, gtsrs, jaybrundage, Odin, MZ | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On December 04 2013 15:26 VisceraEyes wrote: I was fighting sandroba most of the day on my phone over LSB vs Bum, and gave up finally when I /had/ to get some stuff done IRL. I was here, but because I thought Bum was scum I had no desire to continue saying the same things over and over again to Sandroba. I think he's town, and when he's town he's pigheaded and doesn't listen to me because he thinks I'm stupid. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On December 05 2013 04:40 ticklishmusic wrote: He blames inactivity in Noir mostly so I'm not basing my read off that as much. Then in GS he's screaming about how he knows everything, doing meta reads, etc. It's pretty different from how he's been here. We can discount the profanity because of his frustration for being ignored there. However, no meta reads even playing with a similar cohort is rather suspicious, as is asking questions but rarely offering his own analysis. The trolling/ whatever is normal enough, but there's no analysis sprinkled in between those comments. So you are just reading one town game and looking if someone's behavior here is similar or different? I'm sorry but that does not make a good meta-read. Go read LXII or GoT and tell how my play is different than it's here. Or read Bluelightz mafia, how's that similar to this game? You can't do a meta-read based off on one game and i suggest you look at what people have done this game instead if you are planning on doing half-arsed meta-reads. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On December 05 2013 04:45 VisceraEyes wrote: Can I stop quoting myself yet Rayn? Are we ducking done yet Rayn? Yes yes you yelled "LSB is scum", that's not convincing people. Do you think geript was trying to convince people into lynching Oats? Because i don't. Could you clarify to me why did you think LSB was scum on D1 and why do you think he is not scum now? It's unclear for me. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On December 05 2013 03:55 gtrsrs wrote: i have returned and have the time to build my case. after i do so i'll be around for a short while to hear criticisms of it and then i will be gone for some time, and can check back in the late afternoon to see if you guys can punch holes in it or not Patiently waiting, 1 hour later. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
I'm filtering now. | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
I'd still like reads on replacement slots from Supersoft, VE and Sandro. I know VE has not forgotten this and will be providing these reads soon. marv, austin and Rayn please comment on the validity of town reading Ticklish and Jay off of the fact that they forgot to send in picks during the number phase. I believe this is a valid heuristic and would like input on the subject. On December 04 2013 20:44 marvellosity wrote: Given the tone of the post, I'm not sure why you're taking it seriously at all? I think you are right marv, I wasn't in the game at the time and was ascribing a seriousness to the post which did not necessarily exist. However, since it may have existed geript could you please explain your reasoning for the post on zero bans. Thanks.I'm also interested in how you, geript, feel in general now that I have partially filtered you as you asked. As other people have said the Kuru self modkill is likely town. As a host I believe it would be unfair to allow a scum slot to remain in the game after a stunt like that so if he is replaced he is most likely town. Those of you who remember a BC/Palmar/Geript lylo will understand that kuru's slot cannot be brought to lylo with that reasoning for his townieness though. At some point either his slot has to die or shape up. Koshi whatever it you you are trying to do, assuming you are town, is awful. Stop it. It is severely degrading town atmosphere for no reason. The fact that I know you can be bettter than this only makes your play even more dubious. Shape up d2 or get lynched. On December 04 2013 21:23 supersoft wrote: i like your entrance. we will talk later ;-) why is Supersoft so disengaged from the thread. I don't remember ever seeing him play this way. He doesn't even have anything bad to say about me or my reads. I get a hinky feeling from his two posts since I've joined the game. Can anyone give me a recent example where Super was town and plays this way? Or scum and plays this way? As far as I can tell his current behaviour is a total derivation from his usual play as ether alignment but viewed on its own is somewhat meh. In writing this I had a revelation. It is night time. SS is not anywhere near as hinky as I though for those posts. Assuming he resumes play during the day all is well. Not deleting this part of my post though. Something others should keep in mind. I am adding my voice to those who are aware of Roffles from TL as a whole. He is known for being somewhat abrasive and not so useful. His play this game does not surprise be but it certainly doesn't gladden me. I wouldn't be all that sad if he was vigged but he is not at all alone in that category. On the same note, Onegu keeps grabbing for sympathy. Its sickening. I choose to believe that the things he says are true (if they aren't he is a disgusting individual using a handicapped son's ill health as an excuse in a mafia game) but as much as I am sorry for Onegu that his son is not well I'd like to never have to hear about it in this game again. In all callousness I don't give a damn about your son while we're playing this game. When the game is over or we are both dead you can talk to me about your family as much as you want. Right now, here, you need to stop excusing your absences while doing nothing and play the game to the best of your ability or ask to be replaced. If real life is so hard that you do not have time to post anything about the game or read the thread than replace and no hard feelings, that is exactly why replacements exist. If you choose to stay in the game though I, and others, will force you to play it. Onegu, I'd love for you to play with us but right now that isn't what you are doing. P.S. I hate the word 'sorry' Tl:dr an emotional appeal to Onegu to either replace out because irl is too much right now or to play the game. Conclusion: Onegu remains a 4. On December 05 2013 02:17 VisceraEyes wrote: Jay where were posts like that one like...all game long? Its is night one. Where should they have been? Since you see merit in the post please do me the favour of refuting it with logic and not caps lock emotions. I need this from you. On December 05 2013 03:39 VisceraEyes wrote: It was not a nitpick. I ASKED HIM A QUESTION. I admit it was phrased poorly, but it looked like he was fine with a bum lynch. So why vote Jay instead? See what I'm saying? Woahwoahwoah, take a step back cowboy. Let me lead you though a little dance 1. VE calls out Odin for focusing on bum but voting jay 2. VE says Odin is a town read of his 3. Kush notes that Odin's post did not do the scummy thing that VE claimed 4. VE gets fake mad at Kush with big ole caps lock 5. VE continues to pretend that his question wasn't bad and that he is town. yeah, you get where I'm going here but Kush makes a totally good and valid point. You. VE, do nothing to counter his point and nothing to suggest why it made any sense to pull out a quote of Odin's to question him on while he is not here even though Odin is a town read of yours and you are not questioning anyone else. On December 05 2013 01:26 gtrsrs wrote: i'm going to the gym. when i get back i'm going to take a shower and make breakfast. if my girlfriend is still asleep and nothing comes up by that point, i'll make my case for a lynch. if she's up, my case will have to wait until probably 3pm pst today. either way i'll do my best to have a cohesive lynch case by the end of today (dec 4th) i feel strongly about my read. if my case is strong enough to convince you to lynch my suspect, and i turn out wrong, i'd like to be lynched the next day please. i just simply don't feel strongly enough about anyone other than my target to make any conclusive assessments yet, yet i feel like you guys are putting a lot of pressure on lurkers to perform more (and rightly so). i will probably have my confidence shaken and be even more worthless if i'm wrong on this one thanks I'm so sorry Johhnylaw! I said you had the worst single post in the game. I lied. gtsrs has the worst post of the game (which I have read so far, there might be a hidden gem) Breakdown of why this post is awful and makes gtsrs red on my spreadsheet (if I had one he would be anyway) 1. pre excuses lurking 2. says he will make a case on a particular individual but does not name the individual, leaving room to make a case on the town wagon leader and claiming credit for an early read. 3. pre excuses that read flipping town 4. martyrs early all in all the above post is an attempt to do dick all. Take credit for leading a lynch. Be useless. Garner pity. would lynch rated a solid 4.5 On JayB his recent post on VE isa solidly town oriented piece. It gives, in my opinion, town points to Jay as he is clearly thinking about the situation in which this game exists in relation to other games in the past. He went out and found the quotes to fit his case and made interesting points. I don't happen to find anything he said particularly convincing but I'm happy he said it as it shows that he is in fact thinking critically about the game. I cannot understand what conclusion MZ reached about the post I just referenced to be so incensed by Koshi's minimal, but accurate, response to it. MZ please explain your reading of Jay's post that you found what Koshi said top be unlikely from town-Koshi. Kush you wanted recent good cases? I made a set of cases when I entered the game for Kush, JayB, LSB (less so) and geript being town while Onegu and Coag were on the scum side of null I also made cases for Johnnylaw and gtsrs being scum and half a scum case on VE in this post. My filter is short, you can find all of them. | ||
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Mid or Feed
Korea (South)250 Posts
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
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