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On December 05 2013 23:44 supersoft wrote:
screw you sandroba. i am not claiming stupidly only because you say.
if you think i am scum, because i was busy for the last days, i can only ignore you.
i wont claim unless it's absolutely necessary or i got some results of my nightactions that might be beneficial.
Are you going to keep coming here to defend your activity
Or to actually do something?
I'm very keen to see what/who you push today. Pls enlighten me.
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On December 05 2013 23:49 sandroba wrote:
He also already knew he would be voting Rean before even looking at him. He didn't even bother to check if rean was scum in the game he used for meta. He seemed to be in a rush to justify all his reads when all of them were already fabricated. All his reasoning is bullshit. Yeah, this man is scum.
I was going to play devils advocate.
But reading his MZ analysis, its so wishy washy.
He raises some fair points - worth discussing at the least; and then just dilutes it as "not the most blatantly scummy stuff"
I can get down with this.
##Unvote
##Vote: AustinMcc
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Draft Order:- Koshi - Victor
Kurumi - Warwick
- VisceraEyes - Lux
- jcarlsoniv - <Soft claim, cannot deal dmg>
- Mig - Cho'Gath
- JonnyLaw -
- Risen - Karma
Prome - Kha Zix
- geript - VT via Warwick
- austinmcc -
- Meapak_Ziphh -
- Sandroba - Fiora
- Chezinu -
- Rean - VT via lux
bumatlarge - VT
- Onegu -
- justanothertownie -
- MkFuba -
- gtrsrs - VT via Kha'zix
- OdinOfPergo - VT via Karma
- Mocsta - VT via Fiddlestix
- supersoft -
- Oatsmaster - VT via Cho'Gath
- raynpelikoneet - Shen
- Kush -
- ticklishmusic - Taric
- Roffles -
- Coag -
- jaybrundage -
- LSB - Trynd
WHO TOOK MY FIDDLESTIX !!
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On December 06 2013 00:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi you are immune to roleblocks on N2.
Hot Diggity your role is supa power Rayn. Nice pick
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<b>JCarl</b>
Did you take dmg over night?
I'm wondering if LSB hit Koshi?
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On December 06 2013 01:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2013 00:17 Mocsta wrote:
<b>JCarl</b>
Did you take dmg over night?
I'm wondering if LSB hit Koshi? But tbh this is weird. Really weird. Do you guys know why?
Why is this weird?
You havent explained anything
and LSB is next to Koshi.
Anyways, stop thinking people are scum for disagreeing with you.
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On December 06 2013 01:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2013 01:23 Mocsta wrote:On December 06 2013 01:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 06 2013 00:17 Mocsta wrote:
<b>JCarl</b>
Did you take dmg over night?
I'm wondering if LSB hit Koshi? But tbh this is weird. Really weird. Do you guys know why? Why is this weird? You havent explained anything and LSB is next to Koshi. Anyways, stop thinking people are scum for disagreeing with you. This... used in a certain place. Mafia place..
LOL.
And in HTML on other forums.
fuck you're a suspicious guy.
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On December 06 2013 01:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
tbh you have done that two times now and immediatoely posted some fluff after....
<b>Rayn<b>
Whats the <u>matter?</u>
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On December 06 2013 01:45 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2013 01:36 Mocsta wrote:On December 06 2013 01:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
tbh you have done that two times now and immediatoely posted some fluff after.... <b>Rayn<b> Whats the <u>matter?</u> You can mock him all you want, but it's a non-negligible point.
well if u find it suspicious
go make a case
o/w its a waste of my time
seriously, how is this even a point
if i was in a supposed qt i wouldnt be here posting
proof is in the pudding
when called out about that post, i didnt even know he was referring to the <b>formatting</b>
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@Geript
Me likey the jonnylaw stuff.
Completely on point in my opinion.
Austin/JL are definitely good lynch choices for today
Between those two I think Austin is a better choice for long gain (i.e. more valuable)
whereas JL could be a better choice for short gain (i.e. higher in the draft order, so most likely has a decent hero)
I'm going to stick with Austin as a better lynch choice for the long gain.
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*Updated*
Consolidated Night 1 Action Post
Roles in the Game - Annie
Role Eliminated - Warwick, Kha’Zix
Night Positional Shift
Mig Moved down 1 space
Night 1 Positions- jcarlsoniv - Thresh claims gives lantern thing to rayne. Chez counterclaims cause he spied on him too.
- kushm4sta - ?? -> VT
- Rean - Lux-> VT
- JonnyLaw - 125 Damage
- ticklishmusic - Taric - Claims to have healed VE 200HP
- gtrsrs - Kha'Zix -> VT
- OdinOfPergo - Karma -> VT
- Roffles
- Onegu - Soft Blue Claim, probably a power role. Claim was done by BC
- VisceraEyes - Lux - Took 250 damage (450HP without heal)
- Risen - Karma - Roleblocked
- Chezinu - Blue Claim - Took 100 damage
- Coagulation
- geript - Twitch
- supersoft
- austinmcc
- raynpelikoneet - Shen - Uses Stand United - Once upon the darkness of the sky, a shield, yes a shield!, you may give target player that will absorb 2 abilities or eliminate 4 votes used on said player. These divine protection lasts for 4 Moons.
- Mocsta - FiddleSticks -> VT
- Mig -Cho'Gath- 100 Damage, Uses Feral Scream - As Cho'Gath, the Great Mutalisk, you can scare a targeted player for 125 KP and reveal their HP every night.
- Oatsmaster - Cho'Gath ->VT
- jaybrundage - ??? -> VT
- LSB - Trynd
- Koshi - Viktor - 50 Damage, Does nothing base on Chezinu's crystal ball.
- mkfuba07- Blue Claim
- justanothertownie
- sandroba - Fiora - Took 1 Damage
- Meapak_Ziphh
Claimed Night actions
Rean -> 50 Damage to Austinmcc
Mig -> 125 Damage to Meepak, Bused to JonnyLaw
Chezinu -> spies on Koshi, rayne, jcarlsoniv and Mig to see what they are doing.
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On December 06 2013 10:14 geript wrote:
Moc can you give me a summary point list on why Austin is scum. I saw it come up but read it during break in class and don't remember it.
Sure:
(1) Really weird push of Rean where he even uses incorrect meta to push Rean and when pointed out, he still stands by the read.
(2) Opposes the Bum lynch with odd analysis and suggests Rean as a suitable alternative -- Barely pushes this read.
(3) Gives wishy washy analysis in general (e.g. see MZ) where he throws in points that are least worth probing for more information; and instead just casts everything as "not the most blatantly scummy stuff" --> carry on
(4) There is some thoughts about KP/hero choice but its all conjecture and I wouldnt vote based on that solely.
Overall: His play is pretty disjointed and it seems like he wants to come across as independent thinking, even though hes done nothing to convince anyone of his reads, nor push anything to the benefit of town.
You can argue that he tried to benefit town with his read town read on bumatlarge; but realistically read the post and its hard to grasp how that was ever going to stop the wagon.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086¤tpage=114#2261
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On December 06 2013 11:02 geript wrote:
@Moc. How do you feel about jcarl, Rayn and the lantern thing. I have a really hard time coming up with any reason why jcarl would give it to Rayn over Marv. It really makes me think they're both scum. By this I mean as a Doc you try to save the best player who's you have a strong townread on. I have a very hard time coming to a conclusion why jcarl would not give that to obv town Marv over not-obv-town Rayn.
hmm, I dunno about that.
Your thinking of now vs at that point in time.
From PIck phase / early day1. rayn was one of the towniest guys in the thread.
Marv was lazy and not interacting much.
If Jcarl threw the lantern quickly into Day1 -- Rayn was a decent choice.
I havent checked how long into the phase the lantern was chucked, but Im pretty sure it was within the first 24hrs.
To be honest, i dont have a clue why jcarl wouldnt wait longer, but heck, maybe if i had powers I would be excited to use them too??
Overall I dont conclude from that: that they are both scum.
I would treat the action as null to slight town points.
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On December 06 2013 11:05 jcarlsoniv wrote:
I gave it to rayn because he had announced he would protect Koshi so we could get an item out. So, I protected rayn so he didn't get role blocked. Working from the "town benefits from having our inventor make things for us" perspective, it seems like a logical course of action.
Ahh that makes sense
ninja'd lol
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So it comes back to wtf..
At least 3 abilities hit Koshi
<1> Unknown
<2> Chezinu - watcher
<3> 50KP -- which I assume is a VT based on the Power values others have proposed.
Why would a VT want to hit Koshi?
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On December 06 2013 11:54 JonnyLaw wrote:All right. First I'll discuss mocsta hanging on my balls so hard all game that they're dragging on the ground then get into my other scum reads. I agreed early in the game that Mocsta's lurking is not helping the game. He didn't like that at all. As soon as the opportunity came Mocsta latches onto me when Sandro jumps on me. Fine, Sandro makes good cases and got bum lynched. Mocsta thinks my reason for doubting the bum lynch (he called me clearly town when had no reason to not lynch me if he's scum) is a reason to lynch me. Mocsta then jumps on the Bum wagon with the exact same logic. We can't have it both ways can we? Later Prome comes into the thread and calls me scum. Since that point Mocsta's had an obsession with lynching me. Prome dies after that and becomes a convenient martyr. I'd like to finish this point by saying <> =/ [] on tl. <> is not how you bold words on TL. That issue pops up three times in the Mocsta filter. Actually that looks like a decent face to use while gaming. Exasperated maybe? + Show Spoiler +I still think LSB is scummy. I don't know how to link to a particular post so here you go. On December 05 2013 08:03 JonnyLaw wrote:Prome your case on me cannot ignore that early game league discussion. I was discussing with Bum the best champs to pick and ban because I thought it could help us win the game. I started this game trying to see how people play. I quickly realized that with a list of 30 players a lot of which already know each other from previous games this is difficult. Take for example when I "called kush a weird dude" I was quickly jumped on by people saying that's how kush should be playing. He came into the thread threw out a couple reads and then posts one liners the rest of the game. That seems suspicious to me. If that's how he plays then fine. LSB's play this entire game leaves me suspicious of him. I know this has been discussed but bear with me here. Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 03:56 LSB wrote:
Lastly I'm going to policy vote Bum for not following through with what he was pushing. Just for a point of reference in PYP2 (i think), I was SK and I pushed heavily a plan, and I deviated from it as a way to attempt to make sure I was invincible.
##Vote: Bumatlarge After making this post LSB conveniently sticks to his plan of how town would play to the point of fanatacism and derailing the thread. He posts that list four times with most of his other posts only explaining why he wants to mass claim. Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 08:38 LSB wrote:
I am not going to respond to accusations from people who have A) Not roleclaimed or B) Have not provided a good reason for not roleclaiming due to their role.
I will respond to questions about roleclaiming.
Yeah, we get it. You made a plan and you're gonna ride that plan into the sunset. Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 11:36 LSB wrote:On December 03 2013 10:48 bumatlarge wrote:
BLAH BLAH BLAH POLICY LYNCH ME ^Paraphrased. Honestly Bumatlarge is following the basic plan I used as SK from PYP3, first get an idea of where everyone is who can kill you and try to grab an ability that will make it so you cant get killed by mafia, while all the time trying to convince everyone that I have a different ability. "This would have been better for town" was the exact same reasoning I used to try to convince town I wasn't SK in PYP3. I'm sticking to my policy lynch plan. I'm thinking Bumatlarge is SK and grabbed a defensive role as a way to make sure he stays alive. I'm going to pin him as "not town". Deviation from your own plan is pretty scummy since a plan requires as much players to follow it as possible. Again he mentions his SK play so it's fresh on his mind. What better defensive ability than Tryndamere's ultimate. He mentioned having a defensive ability earlier. It's been mentioned before but trynd's ultimate grants him immunity from death for a certain period of time. Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 11:55 LSB wrote:
Never said anything about SK, just said not town. Good enough for me to try to drop da hammer. My night action is gonna be to move 3 up. Though unless some friendly helper would like to give me more KP, it's gonna be more like a feather than a hammer He's just lying here about calling bum sk. I think it was Sandroba who said that Bum came into the game much too formulaic. In four pages of filter every post LSB has made is either about claims, the champion list or policy lynching bum. Is there anything more formulaic than that? Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 03:57 sandroba wrote:
People voting LSB here is what I think:
It is only possible LSB is scum if bum is scum.
If Bum is town and LSB is scum, LSB wouldn't have taken trynn, because his team would have told him not to do so since Bum was probably going to take it.
If Bum is scum and LSB is scum, he could have dropped it to LSB, but I don't think that's the most likely scenario.
If Bum is scum and LSB is town and just replaced in and didn't read bum's plans he could have went for tryn. This seems likely to me because LSB only noticed Bum didn't follow his own plan after BC called out bum on it.
The other scenario is bum and lsb are town, which is also possible.
But the base line is, if you think LSB is scum vote Bum first. I bet you any amount you want that if LSB was scum and just replaced in he would have consulted with his team before picking something and they would have told him Bum was planning on picking trynn. I don't think that has to be true. It's easy to use LSB's logic for picking tryndamere as scum. Eh...he's not a strong town role maybe he'll be around for me to pick it up. I don't trust LSB at all. Would lynch. Why do Rean, Onegu, Coag, Kenpachi and Gtrsr all get byes for lurking?This post is getting too long. I'll follow it up with the rest of my thoughts shortly. Gtrs gets by saying nothing of relevance for some reason. He came in and made a terrible post about soniv and talks about champions. I would lynch him as well. On d1 I was giving him the benefit of the doubt that he'd contribute but no longer. I think he's trying to slide under our radar by claiming to give us information which we can get from a quick google search or the OP if you click a link to the champ wiki. Gtr's been following Bum's soniv lynch all game and I doubt he's read much else. The claim of I'm right and helping town if you follow my lead is bull shit. i don't buy the case on austin. I think sandro's town as well. This is a key selling point in Sandro's case. Austin thinks bum and sandro are town is not enough reason to lynch him. I don't like Risen either. He's inactive and when he posts it adds nothing to the game. I dont care about your beer pong tournament. Is this another meta read like kush and chezinu? Geript you're just calling me a bad player. Not scummy. I'm not bad and stand by my reasoning. I think abilities that affect the entire game have dire consequences. That's why I went from amumu to nocturne.
I stopped reading after the spoiler.
Rayn.. how does this post come from town. (since you can follow his thought processes supposedly)
(1) Look how he refers to me and tries to shit on me but doesnt call me scum. In fact he finishes off by wanting to lynch LSB --> *THATS* about as scummy as you can get.
(2) I was advocating a JL lynch way before Prome came about -- I asked Prome to read JL. Thats a very scummy manipulation of the what happened to push his discredit agenda.
(3) He is still avoiding talking about his main (? former ?) scum candidate Kush.. where'd that materialise to? Now its LSB.. lol
I'm all ears.
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On December 06 2013 12:14 JonnyLaw wrote:
I've talked about Kush all that I want to. Do you even read my filter?
I called out Kush, got shit on by a couple people because that's how he plays. I didn't realize people intentionally play like shit and post one liners that don't help town at all. That was my original complaint about rayn. Now he gets praised for having the largest filter in the game.
LSB is a good lynch because he contributes nothing to the game. I will vote you as well just like I said. You're wagoning whatever is easy. JonnyLaw,
I'm going to choose my words carefully, after all there is no need to convince scum that they are scum.
(1) You are running a discredit campaign on me by twisting easy to prove facts. This *is* scummy
(2) How are you an easy bandwagon, when experienced players like Sandroba/Rayn don't agree with the strength of my read.
This is more discredit attempts
(3) If you did call me scum, you went about it in the most wishy-washy softly-spoken way possible, and that *is* scummy too.
All you say is you *could* lynch me.
Who are you *GOING* to lynch.
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On December 06 2013 12:28 OdinOfPergo wrote:
No Onegu, Whenever I am gone from the thread, I am not lurking. I am gone. This isn't me trying to discredit you in anyway btw. Everyone should read the QT from my NMM L game. Not only does it co-inside with my other 3 townie games on me having a lot of prior obligations, it will illustrate that as scum, whenever I get backed into a corner, I completely shut down.
Does my game so far this time feel like that to you (Or anyone else)?
I know Rayn alluded to this directly earlier, but in fairness: have you actually been pressured to be put in a situation to "shut down"?
I think this is a a cheap-way of deflecting pressure whether town or scum.
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On December 06 2013 12:31 JonnyLaw wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2013 12:21 Mocsta wrote:On December 06 2013 12:14 JonnyLaw wrote:
I've talked about Kush all that I want to. Do you even read my filter?
I called out Kush, got shit on by a couple people because that's how he plays. I didn't realize people intentionally play like shit and post one liners that don't help town at all. That was my original complaint about rayn. Now he gets praised for having the largest filter in the game.
LSB is a good lynch because he contributes nothing to the game. I will vote you as well just like I said. You're wagoning whatever is easy. JonnyLaw, I'm going to choose my words carefully, after all there is no need to convince scum that they are scum. (1) You are running a discredit campaign on me by twisting easy to prove facts. This *is* scummy (2) How are you an easy bandwagon, when experienced players like Sandroba/Rayn don't agree with the strength of my read. This is more discredit attempts (3) If you did call me scum, you went about it in the most wishy-washy softly-spoken way possible, and that *is* scummy too. All you say is you *could* lynch me. Who are you *GOING* to lynch. First of all who's getting lynched is not my call. I have a vote. You think my vote is the most influential in the game? I don't. I got shit on d1 for thinking I know something about tl mafia. As I said I'll happily lynch you. You pegged me scum, jumped to bum when convenient then came back at me once bum was town and prome joined the game. I said bum might be town because his post saying im town makes no sense if he's scum. He could ride the LSB bandwagon till the end. You call me scum for that logic then post the same logic for why I am scum. You can't have it both ways. Firstly, thanks for completely ignoring the point about running a smear campaign on me.
Secondly, so you are admitting to <blatant> sheep voting then?
I find it unacceptable that you wont take accountability to state where you want the lynch headed.
What type of frigging response is that. If you are town, a vote is meant to be your most important weapon....
I have you as scum and haven't waivered.
Theres xyz scum in this game, and I was convinced on what was put out on Bum.
Just like many other players, they dropped their reads to lynch Bum... why is this scummy Jonny?
More smear campaign from you.
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