No you literally couldn't have made a worse choice!

Scum just dont activate the lantern and then shoot you if they want lol. How does giving the lantern to scum do anything.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

December 13 2013 17:00 GMT

#6946

On December 14 2013 01:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Mig this can't be true because Risen targeted me N2 and i took damage from supersoft's card.
It is still a mystery why i took 100 dmg when i was supposed to take 50.

I considered this but are we sure your taunt makes you visit other people? Your taunt brought super to you not the other way around.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

December 13 2013 17:03 GMT

#6950

Anyway what's done is done. It is pointless to discuss Risen tonight because we can't shoot him.

So let's talk about who else we want to shoot. Should probably discuss a good koshi invention also. I doubt they have any rbers left so they will either have to kill koshi or let him invent something nice.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

December 13 2013 17:06 GMT

#6953

VT could have hit you or something like coags bounce could have hit you. But yea ask the hosts whether your taunt counts as a visit. This is possibly important. It just seems weird to me that taunt would make you visit super and then make super visit you.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

December 13 2013 17:08 GMT

#6955

Who did super target n2 before being taunted by you Rayn?

Mig

United States4714 Posts

December 13 2013 17:46 GMT

#6963

It makes sense thinking about it why you took 100 dmg. You redirected supersoft to hit you with his roleblock which negated your taunting power.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

December 13 2013 17:53 GMT

#6967

I am just going to assume that is why you took 100 damage.

On the list redirects happen before roleblocks. So you could still taunt super even with Risen trying to hold you in place?

Mig

United States4714 Posts

December 13 2013 18:00 GMT

#6969

It is the only thing that makes sense to me. Risen mantrad n1 to try and add a semi roleblock to his mason. But your redirect power supersedes it. Or it is still possible Risen has a hidden ability.

Anyway tho. Even if I wanted to believe Risen there just isn't any other possible rbers out there, besides a small chance that kush or roffles are a full time rber. And even then why rb risen of all people. It seems like Risen lied about being rbd so he could use mantra/other ability.

Yes it really fits if mocsta is mafia and has been lying about what type of Vanilla he is. It seems a weird thing to lie about but looking at mocsta's posts there are definitely inconsistencies in there. And why did he take 150 damage last night. Do we really believe mafia just randomly hit mocsta of all people with 150 damage?

So I say all the town kp should focus mocsta. I will get a hp check back on him and we will have an idea about whether he is telling the truth about his life or not.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

December 13 2013 18:09 GMT

#6973

I could be ok going after jay also. But if Risen is mafia why did rayn take 25 damage? Mafia wouldn't shoot rayn if they knew risen wasn't going to use his shield right?

Koshi we cant believe anything Risen says if we think he is mafia. There is no way to know whether he is actually linked.

Looking at jaybs filter he went insanely hard after Austin. Which helped to save MZ. Certainly pretty suspicious. And I have always been suspicious that he supposedly tried to take lux with one of the final picks. Should have been obvious by then somebody else would try to take lux.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

December 13 2013 18:52 GMT

#6982

Because I am suspicious that you might be a sk.

You apparently have a role that can do 225 dmg at night or day but you aren't annie. You shot Risen and the damage wasnt shared with Rayn. Risens ability says they only share what happens through abilities. It may not share kp and if you just have a 225 kp shot that is a good reason that shooting Risen only hurt him and not also Rayn. It appears supers card damage was shared between them (unless there is an extra 100 kp floating around unaccounted for).

You also are the only person in the game who hasn't claimed and doesn't seem to want to. Bit fishy if you ask me!

Mig

United States4714 Posts

December 13 2013 19:03 GMT

#6985

On December 14 2013 04:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Look, again. I do not think i was linked with Risen when the shot went through.
The mason started on D3, not on N2, i would assume the link starts at the same time.

This is possible but I am not sure. Looking at the order of things, redirect is the first one. I think technically being linked would count as a redirect?

If you are right tho there is 100 kp missing.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

December 13 2013 19:04 GMT

#6986

Anyway tho I have looked at the hero list quite a lot. I can't figure out what hero would have a power where they can shoot 225 dmg day or night (besides maybe annie). But he has said he isn't annie.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

December 13 2013 19:15 GMT

#6991

Ok the instant thing makes sense. If you caused damage during the night before Risen had linked with Rayn then the damage wouldn't be shared.

That is a pretty nice ulti. 4 225 shots day or night. I will say if you were SK I would expect you to just claim annie. Seems like easy cover. So ok that is enough for me to drop it for now if you have a role you think it would benefit scum to know.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

December 14 2013 00:24 GMT

#7040

Risen I asked if you could use mantra the same night as your reg abilities and you didn't answer! So not my fault if I don't know how your shit works.

Anyway, unfortunately the reality is Risen will say absolutely anything to save himself both as town and as scum so it is pretty tricky to tell which is which. So I am inclined to just go with the facts and the facts are 1) you claim rb n1 which is nearly impossible. Mafia does not appear to have any rbers left and town certainly doesn't have any. And even if there were some hidden rber we missed why would they ever rb you instead of someone like VE or rayn. 2) you spent like 50 messages in your qt with rayn discussing how to use your powers and you then apparently just forgot to send in a night action lol. These 2 things combined make you look really shady and it looks like you are lying so you can use a hidden power or mantra or god knows what.

If you can come up with a good explanation for how you were rbd n1 then I am all ears.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

December 14 2013 00:55 GMT

#7045

I am not going to shoot jcarl lol. He gave rayn the lantern n1 to ensure he could protect koshi and then he gave the lantern to VE n2. Why would scum give the lantern to VE so he couldn't be rbd and could get his checks off? Then his plan to kill jay with the lantern was actually decent and I could definitely see a townie coming up with it. It sucks that he unfortunately decided to give you the lantern so I can't eat you tonight but that doesn't make him scum.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

December 14 2013 01:02 GMT

#7052

Oh ho ho this actually makes sense. If he tried to mason rayn but rayn used the lantern then it wouldn't work, and I guess risen thought he was rbd when it didn't work.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

December 14 2013 01:06 GMT

#7058

It honestly seems quite obvious now, not sure why nobody realized it before.

Nobody is going to shoot you Risen so link yourself to whoever you want I suppose! I guess the best thing if you are town is to link to someone scummy and then mantra so they cant move away from you. Not sure if that would stop mafia kp or not but there is a chance.