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On November 24 2013 12:59 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2013 12:39 JarJarDrinks wrote:On November 24 2013 12:17 thrawn2112 wrote:On November 23 2013 00:15 JarJarDrinks wrote:
The fact that you think that rayn was completly wrong w/ all of his reads and gave me AND bereft townreads after the flip is suspicious to me. townie "the thing you did is suspicious" scummy "the thing you did is suspicious to me" Reason? It's forced and fake. "Is suspicious" is more aggressive/confrontational, or townie. When you say something "is suspicious" you are saying that something is suspicious. You are trying to make a point to everyone else in the thread that X person is scummy for X reasons. When you say something "is suspicious to me" you are allowing that maybe it's not that suspicious, but it is to you. It's also forced and fake because it's too many words. When you want to say something there is a natural way of saying it, and natural ways of saying things have a lower word-count than ways of saying things thought up by somebody who is lying. This can't be a real case right? This is more sarcasm I assume? No that's legit. That guy was mafia. When people use more words than needed to say something as simple as "I think this is scummy" and turn it into "My read is that this is scummy in my opinion" it strongly suggests that their posts and thoughts are unnatural, or faked. The word scummy is different. Here's the most common defination of suspicious:
+ Show Spoiler +sus·pi·cious
/səˈspiSHəs/
adjective
1.
having or showing a cautious distrust of someone or something.
"he was suspicious of her motives"
"the thing you did is suspicious" Would mean that "the thing" is feeling distrustful of someone or something.
Now yes, that is not the only context that suspicious can be used. But it was the context I was using it in.
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Moc, I've been a solid town read for you all game long. You need to explain what exactly changed ur mind cause it looks like ur straight up just looking for any wagon to jump on.
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On November 24 2013 13:21 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2013 13:15 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Moc, I've been a solid town read for you all game long. You need to explain what exactly changed ur mind cause it looks like ur straight up just looking for any wagon to jump on. @JJD: Are you seriously asserting that Mocsta's overall gameplan this game is to look for a wagon to sheep? Please give evidence if this is so. I'm saying it looks like he's voting for me right now simply because thread sentiment has turned against me. I mean check this:
+ Show Spoiler +On November 21 2013 14:49 Mocsta wrote:Guys, Im about 60% through my re-read (so up to about p20) - taking a breather and only skimmed the content since Bereft voted ?rean?
Firstly, we need to start consolidating a vote as 7 is required to secure a lynch. Next, this is my group of strong town reads from p5 -> p20
{Thrawn, JarJarDrinks, Aquanim, Rayn} Yes, I do not think Aquanim is scum anymore. I think he has a different mentality and Thrawn and myself misinterpreted his intentions. Aquanim has actually been very open and transparent in a confused/wishy-washy manner; as opposed to wishy-washy in an intentionally misleading manner. This is my group of tentative town reads from p5->p20 (i.e. people i dont have interest to lynch this cycle) {Corazon, Bereft, Onegu, LoneMeow} Yes, Onegu is here. In hindsight it would be suicide as scum to come out and say he had a scum read on me and Thrawn. Unless his mission was to shit the thread, which I think is grasping at straws. I egged Onegu so will accept responsiblity for getting him to tunnel me.
Thus, this is my pile of shit left over: for todays lynch {Rean, Sciberbia, jampidampi} (Currently, i actually think these 3 *are* the scum team too) Rean already has traction, so lets hit the 7 with him. ##Vote: Rean On November 21 2013 17:25 Mocsta wrote:
Read the whole game. Updated reads list:
The Good: {Thrawn, JarJarDrinks, Aquanim, Bereft}
The Bad: {Onegu, LoneMeow, Rayn, Sciberbia}
The Ugly: {Rean, jampidampi, Corazon}
On November 22 2013 09:33 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 08:22 Aquanim wrote:On November 22 2013 08:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 22 2013 08:07 Aquanim wrote:On November 22 2013 08:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why is everyone saying "rayn is scum because he does not give a fuck about who we lynch as long as that is not Rean"?
How does that make me scum? Do you agree that you don't give a fuck about who we lynch as long as it's not Rean, or are you merely saying it for the sake of the argument? I just made a case on JJD. wtf are you talking about? Do you even read the thread. Of course i fucking care about who we lynch. I just don't want to lynch town. Sure you made some shitty fabricated case, whatever. I could make cases all day on just about anyone if I tried, and if I wanted to. What I don't buy is that your suspicions of JJD appeared so quickly and erased your suspicions of Jampidampi/Onegu/me/whoever the hell else you've wanted to lynch apart from Mocsta and Bereft. The mere fact that you're shifting between lynches so quickly means you aren't serious about trying to get your scumread lynched. And like I said, town Rayn tunnels, he doesn't jump from lynch to lynch to lynch like this. As for those scumslips. The Mocsta one isn't a scumslip at all, asking "Have you been mislynched before?" doesn't mean in any way that he thinks you're a mislynch today. The Bereft one is better, but there's no way I'm lynching someone based on something which is almost certainly a typo whatever his alignment. This is a good post too. Even if rayn was town, there is no reason for aqua to articulate himself like this as rayn is ripe for the picking. The jjd case was possibly the biggest pile of crap I have read in this game. On November 23 2013 10:59 Mocsta wrote:
Thrawn
Very quick. In phone thoughts with no reread
Jjd
Still town. I like the way he kept pushing Corazon about a point. He's always backing himself up with filter so good consistency.
I don't like that he assumed rayn could be right about Me.. but. Town can make those snap calls all the time. Plus jjd was suspicious of me at the start so I think there is progression to his comment.
Still town
Bereft
Yeah I'm a little concerned went into a big spiel to justify rayn lynch.
Um not sorry about it. I'm not really sure the town motive to give that spiel as bereft wasn't under pressure to justify actions.
I'm not sure if bereft is a townie that wanted to policy lynch rayn but doesn't want to admit. Or is scum hiding behind policy and again doesn't want to admit it.
Inoe that onegu presented the quote where bereft thinks onegu case wasn't on me but Cora.. I have to think about it.
Iverlall I would say that tell is null because that onegu case was so poorly formatted abd constructed it's message was never clear.
Will give bereft benefit of the doubt and say slight town lean. If anything is not worth considering when people like holy abd onegu are alive
Lastly I did not like how onegu addressed me over night. Seemed almost like a begging for forgiveness yonr.
If onegu really thought I was scum I would have expected more venom. Food for thought.
Gotta go. Sorry I couldn't be of more use
Yeah I get that peoples reads can change. But that's a pretty huge change. And heck that last post was from this cycle.
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On November 24 2013 14:45 Mocsta wrote:
You were one of the people I was expecting to drive the thread this cycle, so I hate detest delurks to counter a vote. Pretty sure I end up defending my weekend inactivity in every game I play. The majority of the time I get to mafia is weekdays @ work. I do what I can on weekends.
Also check again. I didn't delurks when voted. I rejoined the thread before thrawn made his case/voted.
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OK, so am I really gonna get lynched for activity because I happened to be busy the for the final hours of the rayn lynch? Nevermind how active I was before then.
I hate when people bring irl stuff into mafia so unless someone really wants to know what I was doing, I'll just say that I was only able to follow by phone and only barely as opposed to being in front of my computer following closely.
I get 8 solid hours each weekday to mafia while @ work and the rest of the time I try to keep up but my activity goes way down. In other words, my activity in this game mirrors my activity in every game of mafia I've ever played here, whether scum or town.
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On November 24 2013 16:51 thrawn2112 wrote:
JJD hasn't done anything. Lately he's thrown dirt on Cora, Mocsta, and spent a lot of time talking about HF's claim which would be an easy thing for scum to talk about. He's not talking to people trying to convince them of his reads, and as Mocsta pointed out his delurk timing to defend himself after I randomly voted him doesn't look good. Combine that with what someone just pointed out about his actions leading up the lynch and I think there's a pretty obvious pattern suggesting that he doesn't actually care about discussion or helping town trying to figure out who to lynch. OK, go back and reread and then come back and explain to the town that this did not happen. That's the 2nd time you've posted a lie to make me look scummy.
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On November 24 2013 22:33 sciberbia wrote:
@JJD
Also even if you were posting from your phone, why didn't you at least give a brief opinion on what you thought about the lynch? Were you confident about a rayn lynch the entire time? If so why didn't you try to reassure everyone that it was the right move? Because it looked like the lynch was a sure thing so I saw no need. When I saw cora unvote and it looked like there might be a mislynch, I was pissed and posted to show that. I just didn't have the time to post a whole lot. And why would I need to since I posted a whole ton of shit against rayn throughout the day? My opinion about the lynch should have been clear.
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On November 24 2013 22:29 sciberbia wrote:
@JJD
Have you reread Onegu and HolyFlare? What are your conclusions?
Who do you want to lynch today? I've read though Onegu filter a bunch of times now and I never come away thinking he's scum. We were scumbuddies once and though we won, I wasn,t paticularly impressed w/ his scum play. If onegu's scum here, he's playing it so much better than in our game.
I've read through HF and he come's off as scummy to me. But the Doc claim makes no sense for scum. That's why, as thrawn pointed, I spent a lot of time talking the claim.
I'd probably like to lynch the guy that just replaced in and dropped a random vote w/ like no explaination. And I'm sure someone will say something along the lines of "OMG scum just wants to go after the easy target", but whatever. Jampi was a scummy lurker and it's gonna be forever (barring a scumslip or something) before we get enough on the new guy.
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On November 24 2013 23:34 Mocsta wrote:
that aside, I find it odd given jjd case on rean that he would not request a lurker lynch on rean.
maybe its because he hasn't been replaced yet, but still odd in general.
That's exactly the reason. Rean might get modkilled. I really wish that it was Rean that got replaced because that would easily be my vote.
Furthermore, I tend to think that if there was scum and town that both needed replacement, the mod would rather replace the scum if he had to choose 1.
now gotta for a bit but will be back to explain why you're thoery about me bussing Rean is terrible.
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On November 24 2013 23:19 Mocsta wrote:
I'm considering jjd sensed rean was going down and bussed him. On November 24 2013 23:57 JarJarDrinks wrote:
now gotta for a bit but will be back to explain why you're thoery about me bussing Rean is terrible. Here ya go:
I didn't reread everything prior to my Rean case, but I skimmed and I don't think that it was @ all evident that Rean was going down. Assumming vote counts are correct and in order, I was the 2nd person to vote for rean. And then yeah, I questioned Cora a bunch after that, but I never wanted to take my vote off rean untill rayn held the town hostage.
In fact on a few occasions, I was asked about other people and I was all like "Naw bro. I like my vote where it is". You'd think I'd be looking for some excuse to move my vote but I kept on keeping on no matter what.
- I was asked (by you) about rayns (now confirmed town) first batch of posts and I said I thought he looked good to me.
- everyone was all over aqua and I said I didn't find him scummy. I even told rayn how terrible I thought his case was.
- Sciberia posted a case on Onegu and I defended him
- I asked you what you thought about Rean because you hadn't comment much on him
+ Show Spoiler +On November 21 2013 11:07 JarJarDrinks wrote:
@moc
What's your read on Rean right now? Do you think he's a bad lynch today?
- Then I posted this:
+ Show Spoiler +On November 21 2013 13:30 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Hey guys, can't post much tonight. Will have a bunch to say tomorrow. Still think Rean is the best lynch and I really hate all the alternate wagons.
I'd also be down w/ killing a lurker. First instinct tells me jampi is the best lurker lynch but I'll read up more tomorrow.
- I then argued more against Rean
- When Jampi showed up, I asked him about Rean and then specifically tried to direct his vote there
+ Show Spoiler +On November 21 2013 23:18 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 23:15 jampidampi wrote:On November 21 2013 23:13 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Jampi, what do you think of Rean? Scummy, but not as scummy as Aqua. So I take that to mean that if it's clear that aqua isn't gonna get lynched then you'd be happy to move your vote to Rean so we can get a majority?
If that's a bus then it's the most dedicated bus in history.
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I'd really like to know if Rean is gonna get modkilled @ the deadline. If I thought there was any chance we don't get to see what he flips then I'd for sure say that he should be the lynch.
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On November 25 2013 08:31 thrawn2112 wrote:
Speaking of JJD's agenda, what is it? What has he done during D2? He has thrown suspicion on you and mocsta but he hasn't pushed either of those lynches.
Yeah, my day 2 has not been good. I've already defended my weekend activity. But it's not just that. I don't like ANY of the cases I've seen. You say I've thrown suspicion on cora and and mocsta but haven't pushed the cases. I wasn't intending to throw suspicion, I was just trying to find scum because I don't have many scumreads right now.
Which is why I want to vote for the Jampi or Rean slot. Preferably Rean. I don't have all that much on them but I already posted my case on Rean. We were all ready to vote him out yesterday when rayn blew up. Has anything changed?
##Vote: Alakaslam
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On November 25 2013 10:31 sciberbia wrote:
This thought process does not seem townie to me. He didn't like any of the cases in the thread, so therefore lynch a lurker? I dunno. I think the natural townie response when you don't like any of the current cases is to go find scum yourself. Unless scum is all lurkers. I think it's a totally natural thought process that if all the active players are reading town to me that I'd want to lynch one of the lurkers.
And sorry but I just don't have the time to commit on the weekends. I don't really want to say that if you don't lynch me today then I'll be plenty active tomorrow because I know it sounds scummy but it's true. When I'm @ work is when I can commit alot of time.
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Just please lynch(or vig) the Rean slot after I flip. I think u'r all terrible lynching me over the person that replaced for a scummy lurker that was about to be lynched yesterday but whatever. I think I played a very townie game aside from not having great activity the last few days.
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[QUOTE]On November 25 2013 10:49 Mocsta wrote:
What is more viable. A jjd lynch or no lynch??QUOTE]Don't Fn no-lynch. If you don't like my lynch then switch to Rean. Don't y'all wanna know what all that vote movement onto Rayn meant?
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On November 25 2013 11:12 thrawn2112 wrote:Your read on Onegu? I already touched on this. Onegu and I were scumbuddies once. In that game he just kinda tried to blend in and not make too many waves. I don't think he'd go hardcore after moc (and some other people) like he has this game if he was scum. I've never once read Onegu as scummy this game.
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On November 25 2013 11:25 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2013 11:13 Mocsta wrote:
If rean is scum. What do you expect the movement to mean?
This isbprob a good contribution if you flip town. For you jjd 30min till lynch. Please have a go at this one.
Well I know YOU don't want to hear it but I think that if Rean is Red then Thrawn probably is too. When pressure started to form on Rean, Thrawn tried real hard to get people on aqua. When that failed and it looked like Rean was headed toward the lynch, he totally 180ed:On November 21 2013 07:33 thrawn2112 wrote:
rayn is aight for now. so is corazon and jarjar. ofc moc is conf town
i'll take any odds that there's a scum in aqua/rean and if it's only one of them it's 100% aqua. i reread rean and his play is way scummier than i remember thinking it was at the time i became convinced about aqua
everyone else is currently difficult to read
i will resume tryharding and using punctuation/capitalization when I return but for now this is lazy reads ver 1.0. i am very busy today and might not be able to post again till tomorrow (like at least + 12 hrs from now)
toodles
and then he changed his vote, there were already like 5 votes on rean @ that point.
It makes no sense that he would think Rean is scum because part of his aqua case is because of aquas attack on Rean. He just didn't want to be left off the scumwagon.
Then as soon as Rayn gave him a excuse to move his vote, he switched off and started the movement towards rayn.
Sorry this is all coming so late but I do want to give u guys something before I die.
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On November 25 2013 11:50 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2013 23:19 Mocsta wrote:On November 21 2013 01:12 JarJarDrinks wrote:K, so I think Rean looks pretty bad too. Like really bad. Almost every one of his posts seem scummy to me. On November 20 2013 12:50 Rean wrote:On November 20 2013 12:37 cDgCorazon wrote:
I took a shower. Sorry for not wanting to smell bad.
Moc, I'm quite concerned that you have already used up >25% of your "self-allotted posts". If you're going to start spamming, it's going to be a problem.
Now to my goals/early game statements:
1. I'm not gonna make any meta crap posts. TBH I don't remember anyone's meta and it's ridiculously stupid logic. I'm not going to stand for it and I don't think you guys should either.
2. I'm voting for the scummiest person. My last game was Titanic and it came down to 3-4 days of "X is scum, Y/Z/Q is scum as well". That led the town way off of the path and allowed my scum team the easiest scum win in a very long time. I don't care if they're not on the two lynch trains that are going to form. It's not instant majority so as long as I feel like I'm voting for the scummiest person in my opinion, I'm going to be happy with my vote.
3. I'm going to do my best to not be just an onlooker. I'm gonna try and facilitate discussion and ask a lot of questions instead of just answering questions and throw my ideas out there and just create more chaos.
On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game.
Couldn't agree more. Also, don't shit up the thread with useless spam like the LXIII game please. I tried keeping up but the amount of shit posts just trolling/making useless jokes/comments is unbearable and makes it impossible to tell low-laying scum from trolling townies. If anyone goes around posting stupid oneliners without saying anything meaningful they have my vote >.> Says nothing about the game. Makes an empty threat. Posts completely obvious stuff. On November 20 2013 12:55 Rean wrote:On November 20 2013 12:52 Bereft wrote:
Rean, what do you think of Mocsta thus far? Talks a lot, seems awfully certain of everything he says. That's not what he thinks of Mocsta. That's telling us how Mocsta has been acting. It's a recap and nothing more. Did he really think that Bereft was asking how Mocsta was acting and NOT whether he though he scummy or not? On November 20 2013 13:14 Rean wrote:On November 20 2013 13:04 Aquanim wrote:On November 20 2013 12:55 Rean wrote:On November 20 2013 12:52 Bereft wrote:
Rean, what do you think of Mocsta thus far? Talks a lot, seems awfully certain of everything he says. @Rean Given this, which way are you leaning on Mocsta in terms of alignment? I'd say town, scum is typically more laidback. But could just be a good scumbag. So Aqua follows up and he give a very non-committal answer of "probably town but could be scum". On November 20 2013 13:36 Rean wrote:
Aquanim, you're constantly asking but never saying much about what you think. Gimme one town and one scum and reasons why please. @ least aqua is asking stuff. Rean never asked a question or gave any read, aside from the non read I posted above after he was asked TWICE. All his posts were stating the obvious/answering questions unrelated to reads. On November 20 2013 15:50 Rean wrote:Smartass comment that I couldn't resist: + Show Spoiler +On November 20 2013 15:28 Mocsta wrote:post 10 On November 20 2013 15:29 Mocsta wrote:post 12 consider getting one of these, you could use it :3 More seriously: Mocsta, good post by post analysis but I don't agree with it all. Your points on both Scib and Corazon make sense but I think you're falling into the "he must be scum so I'll try to interpret everything he says as scummy" trap a little with Cora. In particular: + Show Spoiler +On November 20 2013 13:24 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 13:20 Aquanim wrote:
@Corazon
I'd like you to elaborate more on why you think sciberbia is scum. I don't entirely understand your argument at present. He's trying to get us to tunnel each other early so he can just sit around and piggyback on town lynches and point the finger at others. This is demonstrated when he essentially copies my post asking thrawn if he was a mason (deliberately, his post was at least 2-3 minutes after mine) and then decides that he can take my words and twist them when I pressure him about it. This is what troubles me about sciberia right now. seems like a legitimate point to me rather than a scum-slip. But it could be a way of distancing himself from Scib if he flips red. I also want to see Aquanim under a bit of pressure to see how he reacts but let's not do everything at once. And the lack of 5 people is rather disappointing still. Now here he seems to defend cora. He said earlier that he liked coras case on sci. He tells Moc that he's falling into the "he must be scum so I'll try to interpret everything he says as scummy" trap. And then again w/ the same non-committal read he gave Mocsta with "seems like a legitimate point to me rather than a scum-slip. But it could be a way of distancing himself from Scib if he flips red". On November 20 2013 16:08 Rean wrote:On November 20 2013 15:56 Mocsta wrote:
(A) Discredit me slightly - which is OK, the problem is the non-firm opinion on Corazon or Sciberbia
(B) Subtlely sway convo to Aquanim - again this could be OK in isolation, but I dont like with (A)
(C) Comment about lack of followup from 5 people.
B and C are there as a reminder. Aquanim feels to me like he's getting by too comfortably, but for now its a small lean towards scum as opposed to Corazon/Scib feeling much more scummy to me.And I'm not discrediting you, I want to warn you not to tunnelvision. Tunnelvision impairs you from thinking logically and it's lost me games in the past because I was convinced I was right and tried to make everything seem as if I was. Maybe that's why I seem non-commital, I don't want to repeat the same mistake. You're right that C/S are acting dodgy but don't close your mind. On November 20 2013 15:57 Aquanim wrote:
@Mocsta
If Corazon and sciberbia are both scum, what was their motive for going after one another as they have so early? It's focused a lot of attention on the two of them, and I can't imagine that being what scum wants.
@Rean
Why do you want to see me in particular pressured? To me you look like you're in the position that if I were scum I'd love: sit back, ask some questions, give some non-commital opinions from time to time and earn easy town credit while not under any real pressure. So one of your questions back at you: if you had a vig shot that only hit scum, who would you aim it at right now and why? So apparently, he now has a scumread from cora? Wasn't he JUST defending him? ##Vote: Rean thrawn note jjd last point on rean. then note his intro line on nominating rean as scum. it encapsulates.. more scummy TO ME this was a pretty detailed post from jjd and was one of the reasons I had a town read on him.. I'm considering jjd sensed rean was going down and bussed him. I haven't checked vote counts to sense timing awareness though. I'm on tablet tonight so its really hard to quote, but before this jjd goes from scum read on me to unjustified scum read on corazon to this read on rean. I do find it odd that jjd in his first post analysis of team states he is doing nothing, when he is in fact calling out his former scum read corazon. food for thought Here you also show JJD was bussing rean, then you are gone and slam joins looks at most recent stuff and sees you ok to vote rean.
I think Moc is also very likely to be scum if Rean is. Him and thrawn BOTH got off Rean him pretty quickly. And it's wierd that he would post a bus case preflip.
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Anyway good luck town and I'll still root for you. But u'd all deserve to lose for for not lynching heavy lurkers.
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Why didn't Holys flavor say (medic) in parenthesis like mine and rayns say (vanilla townie)?
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