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Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 26 2013 06:40 GMT
#2077
K hold up I am aware this game was on back burner. There was simply a case of priorities (I gave LXIII my /in first, k.) and then I had to leave, and am now back.

First... How did two kills happen, but Cora not dead? But this has been explained by abscences.

But there were requests for me give me a sec and I will quote reply, makes my filter more generally informative of context (look of disappoint at rean).
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 26 2013 06:41 GMT
#2078
On November 26 2013 12:52 Mocsta wrote:
Slam. Come join us bud !!

Fwiw I hope you are here still too!
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 26 2013 06:47 GMT
#2082
On November 26 2013 13:49 cDgCorazon wrote:
Also, the fact that Mocsta is still alive basically means HF/Onegu are scum.

Scenarios: HF/Onegu are town, scum would kill Mocsta to have us mislynch one of them

HF/Onegu are town, scum would not kill Mocsta would be a bad play b/c Mocsta is a great analysis player and has no pressure from anyone outside of HF/Onegu

HF/Onegu are scum, they kill Mocsta and expose themselves as scum because they've tunneled a townie the whole game and are out of reads

HF/Onegu are scum, they let Mocsta live so they can continue to tunnel him and fake activity/scumhunting

It's the last one. HF/Onegu have put all of their eggs in the Mocsta basket and forces them to keep him alive

@Alakaslam:
You seem to understand Chezinu's dialect of English- is there anything magical that he has said that looks townie to you?

Yes this was the one that jumped out at me, GUYS- DO NOT LYNCH CHEZINU.

Look at what Thrawn said about him, I can't remember- basically, he is our strongest asset if he is with us. I gave him a huge novel to read as a private question, so 1: butt out and 2: WAIT. I want to see his reply.

Chezinu, I have an idea so that you don't need to go through Coag who may not have much time. I will put WriteCraft in a spoiler.

I need to make sure with Coag though.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 26 2013 06:53 GMT
#2086
On November 26 2013 15:44 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2013 15:41 Alakaslam wrote:
On November 26 2013 12:52 Mocsta wrote:
Slam. Come join us bud !!

Fwiw I hope you are here still too!

I am
In OP

Scum can delay kp .. so have 0 kp night1 and shoot twice night2

Ok. Even more my point then, see if they had 2kp normally this makes actually it still doesn't make sense. If they were blue hunting and wanted to make sure Cora woulda 100% died. Either they weren't here or were thinking doc stuff? But why wouldn't they consolidate the shot either way.

I am wifoming myself here. I begin to think the Thrawn kill was significant though because I'm looking at Chezinu. But that still doesn't make sense because they would kill me. Or maybe they disagree with Cora :s

K what else do we have though. Why is Chezinu scum so quickly to others ?
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 26 2013 06:56 GMT
#2089
On November 26 2013 15:53 Onegu wrote:
Slam I have a red check, do you believe it or not, vote me if you believe and then vote for 24 hour day as the red check will be all anyone really talks about except HF being scum with me as you can see.

...

If I missed it you want me to see?

What?

... Ok WIFOM are you related to Risen? Thanks I guess? Or NSAM? What are you trying to accomplish lol

A check is strong indication, but it isn't proof... Unless, let me reread the op
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 26 2013 06:59 GMT
#2091
Dude yeah it's a closed setup. With cop and doctor, (again why doctor didn't die is more WIFOM -_-) millers are easily possible. But yeah, it's pretty strong indication...

Onegu are you against me voting you or are you exasperated?

Maybe skimming isn't the best thing let me really read stuff
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 26 2013 07:04 GMT
#2094
On November 26 2013 15:55 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2013 15:53 Alakaslam wrote:
On November 26 2013 15:44 Mocsta wrote:
On November 26 2013 15:41 Alakaslam wrote:
On November 26 2013 12:52 Mocsta wrote:
Slam. Come join us bud !!

Fwiw I hope you are here still too!

I am
In OP

Scum can delay kp .. so have 0 kp night1 and shoot twice night2

Ok. Even more my point then, see if they had 2kp normally this makes actually it still doesn't make sense. If they were blue hunting and wanted to make sure Cora woulda 100% died. Either they weren't here or were thinking doc stuff? But why wouldn't they consolidate the shot either way.

I am wifoming myself here. I begin to think the Thrawn kill was significant though because I'm looking at Chezinu. But that still doesn't make sense because they would kill me. Or maybe they disagree with Cora :s

K what else do we have though. Why is Chezinu scum so quickly to others ?

How much of the thread have you read.. I can't follow where you ate coming from, because I dont know how much u might be missing.

I am missing everything before I replaced. Today was busy and I looked at LXIII and also I'm not wholly caught up on current events. Also, I like how Chezinu is approaching his replace, seeing what people do NOW and determining who is what. Reads that don't make any sense will be criticized, and old info will be brought back by others.

This way, we don't fall back and can still be useful.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 26 2013 07:14 GMT
#2096
I still don't get why two claimed blues both survived though. I'm not so much worried about Cora as HolyFlare.

I don't care if scum sent their pm at the start of the night and were gone, HF had claimed. There was no reason not to shoot HF. That might be exactly what they want me to think, but it seems most people have Holyflare as scummy nonetheless. Is HF scummy for no other reason than his claim?

Of course in the event he is doctor that is a really stupid lynch.

Yeah. I threw my thoughts Down making this post and so you can read my conclusion forming before your eyes! XD

##Vote: Onegu
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 26 2013 07:15 GMT
#2097
On November 26 2013 16:10 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2013 16:04 Alakaslam wrote:
On November 26 2013 15:55 Mocsta wrote:
On November 26 2013 15:53 Alakaslam wrote:
On November 26 2013 15:44 Mocsta wrote:
On November 26 2013 15:41 Alakaslam wrote:
On November 26 2013 12:52 Mocsta wrote:
Slam. Come join us bud !!

Fwiw I hope you are here still too!

I am
In OP

Scum can delay kp .. so have 0 kp night1 and shoot twice night2

Ok. Even more my point then, see if they had 2kp normally this makes actually it still doesn't make sense. If they were blue hunting and wanted to make sure Cora woulda 100% died. Either they weren't here or were thinking doc stuff? But why wouldn't they consolidate the shot either way.

I am wifoming myself here. I begin to think the Thrawn kill was significant though because I'm looking at Chezinu. But that still doesn't make sense because they would kill me. Or maybe they disagree with Cora :s

K what else do we have though. Why is Chezinu scum so quickly to others ?

How much of the thread have you read.. I can't follow where you ate coming from, because I dont know how much u might be missing.

I am missing everything before I replaced. Today was busy and I looked at LXIII and also I'm not wholly caught up on current events. Also, I like how Chezinu is approaching his replace, seeing what people do NOW and determining who is what. Reads that don't make any sense will be criticized, and old info will be brought back by others.

This way, we don't fall back and can still be useful.
do you realise that no one is actually pushing chezinu?

It's onegu vs Corazon

Last I was in the thread people were saying he was scum claiming with Scib, which makes no sense in light of other things, but Cora had him on a scum list and as cop how he reads the game is critical.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 26 2013 07:16 GMT
#2098
Dude Cora is so town. anyone questioning that is seeing the world differently from me.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 26 2013 07:19 GMT
#2100
On November 26 2013 12:51 Mocsta wrote:
So it's 5-3 and MYLO

Cora fake claim could be an awesome start to finish off the game but I prefer his play as town. And the sudden change on sciberbia does seem hard to fake.

I much prefer hf giving up and deciding to copy the blszinghand fake doc claim strat.
This buys them another cycle and possibly gets a mislynch.

Fact. Holyflare has nothing nothing all game.
Corazon has been present all cycles.

Yes scum is
Hf, onegu, chezinu


Mocsta nobody pushing Chezinu?

Please, bear in mind what I said of him.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 26 2013 07:30 GMT
#2107
On November 26 2013 16:20 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2013 15:59 Alakaslam wrote:
Dude yeah it's a closed setup. With cop and doctor, (again why doctor didn't die is more WIFOM -_-) millers are easily possible. But yeah, it's pretty strong indication...

Onegu are you against me voting you or are you exasperated?

Maybe skimming isn't the best thing let me really read stuff



Im exasperated, my own fault I cant convey my thoughts clearly, and I look scummy but I do in every town game I play, kinda why I joined a bootcamp game to get feedback, and then a red check on me I expect it to be believed. But then coupled with what I will say on cora later in my case and my green flip, if we dont get endgame with my flip I really still believe we can pull this out if town gets to day 4. Because it will be obvious cora is scum. Then I will spoiler the connections cora has with mocsta so you can add that to my case on mocsta, and when I flip please, please, please read it give it a chance and see where I am comeing from. If you actully read it and disagree with it fine but read it that is really all I ask. Of course this is assumeing we dont get endgame post.

K Onegu what you are doing I have seen before. And some sage put it to rest.

Here, I will paraphrase as it is a game in progress.

Your options are, if you are town:
1: push your own lynch, then have your confirmed reads given after another round of night kills with no certainty that you are right (unless it's that good; in which case)
2: give the reads+reasons now, and if they are really really good, people may listen now and not lynch you and possibly hit scum (because this list assumes you aren't, so it's a "duh" higher chance) and if they aren't, people will discuss them and maybe figure something out from the discussion
3: focus on defending, which may or may not work and leaves town with nothing after your flip.

Note, since 2 is the best option, I will have 4 be it's corruption:
4: you can give hostile reads and Rayne yourself, and even if your reads are good then because you didn't give them in a level headed manner nobody reads them even if you flip green or blue.

Of course if you are scum it doesn't matter and your team should just bus you now.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 26 2013 07:32 GMT
#2108
On November 26 2013 16:24 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2013 16:19 Alakaslam wrote:
On November 26 2013 12:51 Mocsta wrote:
So it's 5-3 and MYLO

Cora fake claim could be an awesome start to finish off the game but I prefer his play as town. And the sudden change on sciberbia does seem hard to fake.

I much prefer hf giving up and deciding to copy the blszinghand fake doc claim strat.
This buys them another cycle and possibly gets a mislynch.

Fact. Holyflare has nothing nothing all game.
Corazon has been present all cycles.

Yes scum is
Hf, onegu, chezinu


Mocsta nobody pushing Chezinu?

Please, bear in mind what I said of him.

Here's the problem
Bereft is townier than you or cheZ

If you want to stick up for chez, process of elimination leaves just you.

So whose scum: you or chezinu? Lol...

We can deal with this after the lynch.

As an aside. Chez replaced jampidampi. Did you read my jampi case?

Cos we know onegu hasn't (to comment on it as asked)

Well in that case fire away at Chezinu, but I have sorrow over it. But then, as scum he is probably crafty to answer my query.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 26 2013 07:36 GMT
#2110
On November 26 2013 16:24 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2013 16:19 Alakaslam wrote:
On November 26 2013 12:51 Mocsta wrote:
So it's 5-3 and MYLO

Cora fake claim could be an awesome start to finish off the game but I prefer his play as town. And the sudden change on sciberbia does seem hard to fake.

I much prefer hf giving up and deciding to copy the blszinghand fake doc claim strat.
This buys them another cycle and possibly gets a mislynch.

Fact. Holyflare has nothing nothing all game.
Corazon has been present all cycles.

Yes scum is
Hf, onegu, chezinu


Mocsta nobody pushing Chezinu?

Please, bear in mind what I said of him.

Here's the problem
Bereft is townier than you or cheZ

If you want to stick up for chez, process of elimination leaves just you.

So whose scum: you or chezinu? Lol...

We can deal with this after the lynch.

As an aside. Chez replaced jampidampi. Did you read my jampi case?

Cos we know onegu hasn't (to comment on it as asked)

And actually no, there is WIFOM. If this is a masterful Cora fake claim-

Oh wait then we lose because Cora is clairvoyant (XD) and will SVENGALI us to his victory. But remember, from my perspective if Chezinu isn't, you take my place... of course I know nothing of bereft so far, so maybe I would just disagree with you in general if Chezinu wasn't scum..
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 26 2013 07:38 GMT
#2111
On November 26 2013 16:34 Mocsta wrote:
Its ok slam.

One scum at a time. Onegu first.

I'm having real trouble thinking you are scum. You actually sound like you are having fun and aren't spamming useless stuff.

It's just fresch aire, I'm getting pounded in two other games. I did an offsite replace, maybe wasn't smart...
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 26 2013 07:50 GMT
#2114
On November 26 2013 16:46 Mocsta wrote:
Slam
Are you town?

Would you lie to me?

K

I have never understood why people ask this. No, Mocsta, I'm scum. I give up now because you asked. Because I would never lie to you.

???

What is expected from that question lol!
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 26 2013 07:52 GMT
#2116
On November 26 2013 16:47 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2013 16:30 Alakaslam wrote:
On November 26 2013 16:20 Onegu wrote:
On November 26 2013 15:59 Alakaslam wrote:
Dude yeah it's a closed setup. With cop and doctor, (again why doctor didn't die is more WIFOM -_-) millers are easily possible. But yeah, it's pretty strong indication...

Onegu are you against me voting you or are you exasperated?

Maybe skimming isn't the best thing let me really read stuff



Im exasperated, my own fault I cant convey my thoughts clearly, and I look scummy but I do in every town game I play, kinda why I joined a bootcamp game to get feedback, and then a red check on me I expect it to be believed. But then coupled with what I will say on cora later in my case and my green flip, if we dont get endgame with my flip I really still believe we can pull this out if town gets to day 4. Because it will be obvious cora is scum. Then I will spoiler the connections cora has with mocsta so you can add that to my case on mocsta, and when I flip please, please, please read it give it a chance and see where I am comeing from. If you actully read it and disagree with it fine but read it that is really all I ask. Of course this is assumeing we dont get endgame post.

K Onegu what you are doing I have seen before. And some sage put it to rest.

Here, I will paraphrase as it is a game in progress.

Your options are, if you are town:
1: push your own lynch, then have your confirmed reads given after another round of night kills with no certainty that you are right (unless it's that good; in which case)
2: give the reads+reasons now, and if they are really really good, people may listen now and not lynch you and possibly hit scum (because this list assumes you aren't, so it's a "duh" higher chance) and if they aren't, people will discuss them and maybe figure something out from the discussion
3: focus on defending, which may or may not work and leaves town with nothing after your flip.

Note, since 2 is the best option, I will have 4 be it's corruption:
4: you can give hostile reads and Rayne yourself, and even if your reads are good then because you didn't give them in a level headed manner nobody reads them even if you flip green or blue.

Of course if you are scum it doesn't matter and your team should just bus you now.



I will do two, and have been. Will give a cora case before lynch. I cannot do three because I know my town play doesnt look good and I wasnt active day one due to irl reasons, so I wont defend myself from a red check, I have addressed coras case on me and showed why it is incorrect.

About Jamps case I have to do some fact checking because iirc at the time when jamp said that he agreed I thought he was talking about someone elses point on aqua not thrawn. But I will also show cora does the same thing you are calling out jamp though. 2 times cora gives merit to a case but doesnt think it is a good time.

Also the held back part he isnt talking about aqua. He is talking out cora and scib. And then talking about consolidateing if he has to, he never takes back his read. Then he gives rayn a town read but votes his scum read in aqua. Help me with your thought process when I get back, Ill post my thoughts and concerns and you let me know in a bit.

Ill be back in a bit.

Two is the only townie option anyway. But you are kind of doing one? Minus pushing yourself?
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 26 2013 07:54 GMT
#2119
X-May that if you come back with those reads before deadline.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 26 2013 08:02 GMT
#2120
Actually that whole thing is Austinmcc, I think.

Remember I said it was from another game's drama that I learned. A daw may have Greek in it's bill.

Onegu is doing very nearly what another person is getting over doing- it was such a recent association, I did not forget.

So... No more me talking about games in progress!! >
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 26 2013 18:44 GMT
#2203
On November 26 2013 23:52 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2013 23:50 Holyflare wrote:
On November 26 2013 23:48 Chezinu wrote:
cDgCorazon (0): thrawn2112, Mocsta, sciberbia, Onegu, thrawn2112, sciberbia, Holyflare
Aquanim (2): thrawn2112. Mocsta, jampidampi, cDgCorazon, Rean, raynpelikoneet
Rean (0): Aquanim, JarJarDrinks, raynpelikoneet, Bereft, Mocsta, thrawn2112, raynpelikoneet
Onegu (0): sciberbia, thrawn2112
Bereft (0): raynpelikoneet, raynpelikoneet
Mocsta (0): raynpelikoneet
raynpelikoneet (8): thrawn2112, Mocsta. Aquanim, JarJarDrinks, Bereft, raynpelikoneet, cDgCorazon, thrawn2112, thrawn2112, raynpelikoneet, thrawn2112, Holyflare, sciberbia, raynpelikoneet
jampidampi (0): raynpelikoneet
Mocsta (1): Onegu, raynpelikoneet
JarJarDrinks (0): raynpelikoneet
No-Lynch (1): cDgCorazon


Bereft (0): thrawn2112
Alakaslam (1): Aquanim, JarJarDrinks, Mocsta
Chezinu (1): Mocsta, thrawn2112, Mocsta, thrawn2112
Onegu (0): cDgCorazon, cDgCorazon, Aquanim, thrawn2112, cDgCorazon, Chezinu
JarJarDrinks (6): cDgCorazon, thrawn2112, Mocsta, sciberbia, Aquanim, Mocsta, thrawn2112, Bereft, thrawn2112, Mocsta, Aquanim, cDgCorazon, Alakaslam, Mocsta
sciberbia (0): Mocsta, Chezinu
Holyflare (1): Bereft, Aquanim, Chezinu
Mocsta (2): Bereft, Onegu, Holyflare
Thrawn2112 (0): cDgCorazon

It may be time for the rising star to face the dragon.



yes yes we get it your read was wrong and now you have to battle cora in an epic fight, glhfgg


You have broken the Chezinu Rule. It will not be forgotten.. except you may not qualify for the rule.. Chezinu Rule only applies to those who have never played with Chez before.


Chezinu, thine adoring pupil asks, did I break the Chezinu rule?

I must rea the house as soon as games in progress finish
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