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Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 06 2014 20:33 GMT
#436
How do you like Jonny so far?
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 06 2014 20:40 GMT
#441
hahahahahah JonnyLax hahahahahahahaha holy shit that was good
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 06 2014 20:45 GMT
#443
Uhm... how does the timeline say anything? To me its exactly the same thing when i read it backwards or when i read it in the order he posted.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 06 2014 20:50 GMT
#445
I honestly think that we caught 2 scum here hehe
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 06 2014 21:07 GMT
#448
^ yep
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 06 2014 21:16 GMT
#450
Would totally lynch sidesprang for lurking if I didn't feel like i had some good scum reads btw, just as a backup..
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 06 2014 21:20 GMT
#452
@Dragoon What do you think of Derrida
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 06 2014 21:27 GMT
#453
On January 07 2014 06:20 chinstrap wrote:
So @balla24, how do you feel about my town reads?


I mean they are mostly useless information from you haha, especially since none of those people are under the gun atm, and they arent numerous enough to work backwards and find scum by process of elimination.

JonnyLax (heuehu) is very consistent with his town meta atm. Aggressive, abrasive, and general cockiness early game indicate that, especially if you read his last two newbie games (here is one: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=433102&currentpage=88)

I'm really neutral on suki... she makes good decent cases that I agree with for the most part, and I do trust her scum radar from speaking to her in other obs game and reading her previous games. And I totally can see from those why she was so adamant about the "cluttering" subject. I don't really view what she did as scummy last night, when she just left after we traded previous games as the other guys do... so there's that..


Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 06 2014 21:29 GMT
#454
Also in regards to Chyz: not really suspicious of him anymore, especially after i get past the WIFOM of his opening play. He seems to be genuinely worried about how some people (derrida) reacted to it so that's good.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 06 2014 21:36 GMT
#456
So you don't find it suspicious that he was so enamored with Day_walker and that he came up with a NULL read on you?

What about his read on me, you're becoming more suspicious of me so is what he said aligned with your thinking?

@OWB: Was Day_walker/Dragoon the only connection you found? Let's hear anything else in regards to connections like that since that was how you seemed to be hunting. I found a few more weak connections, but i'd like you to prove that you were actually hunting and you didn't just find ONE thing to latch onto.

Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 06 2014 21:38 GMT
#458
Essentially, theDragoon, what do you think about all my concerns about Derrida's entrance starting from here:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=434723&currentpage=20#389

Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 06 2014 21:38 GMT
#459
On January 07 2014 06:38 chinstrap wrote:
Are you you want to be putting cards like that on the table now?

You mean in regards to my q towards @OWB?
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 06 2014 21:44 GMT
#461
On January 07 2014 06:39 chinstrap wrote:
Yes

It's already out there tbh. If they weren't already adapting they are now. It may have been a bit early to bring it out but hey, if that's how someone is going to scumhunt i'm not goign to stop them.

I want OWB to prove that he's doing what he says he is. He's notorious for not being confident and hiding his thoughts as town, and as scum he barely put any effort into scum hunting. He can be very good at being analytical but he needs a push.

I don't mind having them adapt to mistakes they might have made atm... but yeah, normally I wouldn't bring this kind of analysis out until AFTER we have a scum flip, but it's kinda too late for that haha.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 06 2014 21:54 GMT
#466
On January 07 2014 06:44 Derrida wrote:
@Balla, could you expand on: "not really suspicious of him anymore, especially after i get past the WIFOM of his opening play. He seems to be genuinely worried about how some people (derrida) reacted to it so that's good," especially with regards to what part you thought of his opening was WIFOM and why being worried about other people's reactions is an indicator.

I've been asked both by TheChyz and Balla about why I thought TheChyz was not scummy. I just re-read through his filter, I still don't think he is scummy. It is a tough question to disprove him not being a scum though, isn't it? Not fair.


Sure, but first off i don't remember asking you why you thought Chyz was not scummy? Can't really find it in my filter either haha i'm lunching T_T...

Refer to my analysis of the Chyz opener here:
+ Show Spoiler +

On January 06 2014 14:39 Balla24 wrote:
Gotta agree with that,it definitely fogs thing up, but it also gives us something to talk about.

However, let's think about it from both perspectives... From a scum perspective, 2 options: 1. You accidentally got yourself in a hard to get out of situation, so instead of trying to reason your way out of it you call it fake to backtrack. 2. You are deliberately putting yourself under suspicion to ultimately gain weak town cred.

From town perspective: You are deliberately putting yourself under suspicion to scumhunt.

Both scum situations seem really weird to do... #1 because it should be really easy to reason your way out of the situation he is as scum (at least imo) or at least backtrack by admitting fault etc.. #2 just seems weird... it's like..."ima be scummy so that i can try to discredit a townie and by doing so become more townie myself"

Town perspective also seems weird... for me, the small amount of scumhunting he's done to follow it up (so far) makes me lean more towards scum on him rather than town, but we'll have to see how he follows it up more. For example though, I have no real idea why you chose Day_walker to go after rather than the other's who went after you, like suki, myself, sidesprang etc...



On January 06 2014 17:18 Balla24 wrote:
The situation with chyz is super wifomy, circular logic stuff that is better to avoid rather than to dwell on. that's the reasoning I expected you to use... you can't easily come up with a conclusion around it so why bother... until something more conclusive comes up surrounding him he is best left at a neutral read...

why do you dislike his vote on day walker? his reasoning? the omgus?




It's WIFOM because there's no 100% way we can confirm whether or not he was lying. So if we think too hard about it we end up just going in circles. Might not exactly be the definition of WIFOM, but it's the kind of situation where you want to just AVOID thinking about it because it's too hard to come to a conclusion about it.

As far as him being worried about people's reactions... sorry I don't really get what you mean here? It's just basic scum hunting.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 06 2014 21:56 GMT
#468
People like bigdad = people in different timezones who aren't going to be around for the deadline... he's in australia so that's kind of a large time difference. I think 5pm est is 7am Australia time so yeah...
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 06 2014 22:02 GMT
#469
On January 07 2014 06:52 theDragoon wrote:
/offtopic: I know this is a newbie game but a lot of people here seem to have a lot of experience playing the game. JonnyLaw in particular seems to hate the "I'm new to this" type of post. And I think the more experienced players here are looking far too deep into what some of the newer players are posting.


It's what this game is all about. The more experienced players will quickly want to get rid of the "noob card" for people to play, because it's annoying to think about.

I mean just try it lol... whenever somebody says "well i'm new to this so i'm not sure about: xxxxx" like what are you supposed to think? "Dang this guy's new so i better cut him some slack for having no confidence...?" No we can't do that... because that allows mafia players to play that card...

Basically, it's similar to lists, similar to lurking, similar to using RL excuses: The noob card is not something you want to play as town BECAUSE it sets a standard for mafia to be able to use it and then from there it's circular logic. Just nip it in the butt.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 06 2014 22:07 GMT
#473
Maybe I shouldn't have use the term WIFOMy cause you're right, it's not actually WIFOM, but I would handle this situation similarly to how i would handle real wifom, by just thinking about it a little bit and then ignoring it if i cant conclude anything from it.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 06 2014 22:11 GMT
#476
Eh, you are misjudging us if you think we're experienced players... we are just experienced with noob games

But rest assured, if you're new we are and SHOULD be taking it into account... but explicitly stating "I AM NEW PLS DONT LYNCH ME MY READS MIGHT BE BAD" is NOT helpful whatsoever. Catch my drift?
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 06 2014 22:32 GMT
#480
It's pretty awful... really wasn't expecting that, especially this early T_T I was just pressuring... I need some fresh opinions on this though cause I don't know what to think.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 06 2014 22:51 GMT
#485
BigDad, i'm curious as to why you keep asking people who you think are town (I THINK) for their opinions on your cases... How does that help your case besides trying to get people who you deem town behind it and gain traction that way? Why not point your questions at your suspects?

Correct me if i'm wrong though, but that's just the impression i got... you might not actually town read them haha
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