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Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 06 2014 02:04 GMT
#283
Suki, what do you think of OWB so far... he's kind of a meta read for me since he's played in all my games so far. So he's hard to read fmpov. Not too happy with his thread entrance since it looks like he was trying to pocket me (i don't see how you could actually see chinstrap's joke vote as a threat that early in the game)...
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 06 2014 02:22 GMT
#285
Ok, seems reasonable that i'm overthinking it and it's not an attempt to pocket me but more him actually being disappointed with the IC's play so far.

Anyways, him attempting to pocket me isn't really something i see him doing from my experience with him.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 06 2014 02:32 GMT
#287
Meh, not really ok with me since you're not really pointing out anything specific. If you think i'm clogging up the thread then tell me with what or I can't change it. It's not like i'm spamming or rambling to myself. It's all useful posts.

Sure some of the comments about people dissapearing and what not can be seen as unhelpful (and thus clogging up the thread) to experienced players. But there are clearly some new forum mafia players in this game that we will need to bring up to speed.

You might say this conversation itself is clogging up the thread (which I do deem it so, to an extent, but it needs to be had if you're going to continue to disagree with me on this), but I find it really weird that you are trying to make me lower my activity. If there's something specific that's "clogging up the thread" then let me know and i'll stop.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 06 2014 02:41 GMT
#289
Sure. I'm a big proponent of small posts > large long posts as again, it gets the conversation going and puts scum on their toes as they have to think and act faster. Having a large post style isn't bad though. However, I want to caution you AND others against this list style. You gave a decent amount of reasoning in them which is good BUT in my experience these list style posts are VERY easy for scum to hide behind and create false relationships with people by calling them scum/town without much reasoning. So I would avoid that in the future and stick to the most important reads (your top scum reads/defending your town reads)

Onto what you actually said:

On January 06 2014 11:33 Day_Walker wrote:

I didn't like this post at first, because trying to manufacture arguments for their own sake seems like a good way to get townies to fight each other.


What do you mean by this, similar to what I asked thechyz, can you elaborate? I find it interesting cause you seemingly said a very similar thing to chyz but are suspicious of him for not answering my question about it...
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 06 2014 02:42 GMT
#290
EBWOP: What I mean by defending your town reads is, if you have a town read on someone and they are being attacked to defend them if necessary. That's a priority over stating you have a town read on someone completely inconsequential to the conversation at hand.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 06 2014 02:52 GMT
#292
Absolutely fair enough.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 06 2014 03:03 GMT
#295
Suki would you mind linking to your previous games?
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 06 2014 03:14 GMT
#299
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Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 06 2014 03:22 GMT
#300
Sorry, I'm not really following what you were saying in the beginning? Are you saying you were purposefully being contradictory to try to get people to bandwagon on you?
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 06 2014 03:36 GMT
#302
Can you respond to suki's post then here:

On January 06 2014 10:15 suki wrote:
Hi everyone, let me just get right into this.

Show nested quote +
On January 06 2014 07:47 TheChyz wrote:
Why so eager to have people help you achieve your goals? Maybe they don't agree with them. If onlywonderboy is right, then your rules help you if you are scum as well since you seem to be very active in which lynching lurkers would help your cause of staying alive. Also having people fight can cause confusion in the town. So I don't see a reason why people should just help you achieve your goals.


Let me get this straight. TheChyz is implying that Balla, by promoting an active town and "lynching" lurkers, helps Balla if he's scum.

What? I want to point out that nobody said anything about lynching lurkers at this point except TheChyz himself, who seems to be putting the words in Balla's mouth. Discouraging lurking is not scum play. It is a good idea to let everybody know from the start that lurking will be considered suspicious behaviour, because whether or not they are ultimately lynched for it, lurking is not helpful to town.

I find TheChyz's logic flawed, and I really don't like the way he misrepresented what Balla said and then accused him of scum motivations for that misrepresentation.

TheChyz please explain to us why discouraging (or even lynching) lurkers is beneficial to a scum Balla but not a townie Balla.

##vote TheChyz

Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 06 2014 04:02 GMT
#304
Why did you react like this:

On January 06 2014 08:08 TheChyz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2014 07:29 Balla24 wrote:
- to start the game at a very high pace, to make sure that lurking is not only discouraged but also easy to spot and call out.


Show nested quote +
On January 06 2014 07:35 TheChyz wrote:
I agree with lurking to be discouraged by just lynching them for the most part. If they are scum then that's an easy kill, if they are town they provide nothing helpful and might cause some confusion in finding actual scum.


Hi "nobody", I'm TheChyz.



To

On January 06 2014 08:02 Balla24 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2014 07:55 Asuna wrote:
On January 06 2014 07:44 Balla24 wrote:
@Asuna how do you feel about TheChyz's entry post?

If you mean the one that's basically kill the quiet people, sounds like every mafia game I've ever played.


I'm just trying to gauge how people play... it's certainly pretty generic and you can't read to deep into it. But some people would analyze it very hard.

For example: He seems to be agreeing with something that nobody said, which hints that he wasn't carefully reading ("I agree with lurking to be discouraged by just lynching them for the most part")


Then. I find it hard to believe that you that you purposefully were misreading what I was saying and, as suki said "putting words into my mouth".

Seems like you're trying to backtrack.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 06 2014 04:03 GMT
#305
And again, I want to clarify that this: by just lynching them for the most part is the part i was concerned about.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 06 2014 04:17 GMT
#307
Leaning scum. Like I said I don't like the type of post he made, and even though its not inherently scummy, it's anti-town. However, I don't like how he picks on you for not answering my question. That's really easy to pick on, since it's REALLY common for people to miss questions.

I also don't like his reasoning for the town read on dragoon...

On January 06 2014 11:33 Day_Walker wrote:

Not afraid of get into disagreements, and willing to stand up to the people he accuses (at least until he left the thread. Hmm) . Doesn't seem like cautious scum play.



Of course you're going to stand up to the people you accuse... this seems REALLY forced. "Doesn't seem like cautious scum play", what does this even mean?
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 06 2014 04:36 GMT
#308
@Day_Walker: Why did you leave suki off your list? You clearly included her in some of the reasoning, but didn't post a section for her....
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 06 2014 05:20 GMT
#310
On January 06 2014 14:16 Asuna wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2014 08:38 Balla24 wrote:
Thread is dying fast... need backup ASAP.

I also am not too fond of Asuna's entry, but there's nothing really scummy about it. I just feel you have opportunities to enlighten me about yourself and your opinions but you are hiding behind one liners for some reason.

I'm just concise with my answers. I was asked pretty direct and narrowish questions so I gave pretty direct and narrowish answers. Also keeping track of everything in forum mafia is surprisingly different, so hopefully I didn't miss anything I'm supposed to be replying to from the last couple of pages.

Basically I've played a bit of mafia, am probably terrible at reading people, but TheChyz does seem a bit fishy for the reasons Day_Walker said. Might be too early to tell though.


So what's your take on TheChyz's claim that he was purposefully acting scummy to find people who would bandwagon on him? Do you believe it, why or why not?
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 06 2014 05:39 GMT
#312
Gotta agree with that,it definitely fogs thing up, but it also gives us something to talk about.

However, let's think about it from both perspectives... From a scum perspective, 2 options: 1. You accidentally got yourself in a hard to get out of situation, so instead of trying to reason your way out of it you call it fake to backtrack. 2. You are deliberately putting yourself under suspicion to ultimately gain weak town cred.

From town perspective: You are deliberately putting yourself under suspicion to scumhunt.

Both scum situations seem really weird to do... #1 because it should be really easy to reason your way out of the situation he is as scum (at least imo) or at least backtrack by admitting fault etc.. #2 just seems weird... it's like..."ima be scummy so that i can try to discredit a townie and by doing so become more townie myself"

Town perspective also seems weird... for me, the small amount of scumhunting he's done to follow it up (so far) makes me lean more towards scum on him rather than town, but we'll have to see how he follows it up more. For example though, I have no real idea why you chose Day_walker to go after rather than the other's who went after you, like suki, myself, sidesprang etc...

Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 06 2014 05:51 GMT
#314
@theDragoon: What do you think about Day_walker's reads, particularly his read on you
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 06 2014 05:58 GMT
#315
On January 06 2014 09:55 theDragoon wrote:
Guys, this is very difficult compared to mafia IRL. But if I'm to go with my experience playing with friends, the most vocal people at the start who try to take control of the game tend to be mafia. Random accusations seem suspicious as well, so based on what's been posted so far, my eye is on Balla24, sidesprang and TheChyz.


Also, I still want to know who you were referring to when you said "Random accusations seem suspicious as well".
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 06 2014 06:25 GMT
#319
damn it Jonny I just turned off my computer haha
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 06 2014 06:29 GMT
#320
I would feel really bad lynching owb day 1 tt... I'm the one who urged him to play... but I think he'll shape up this game after how last game turned out, and it still seems like he genuinely wants to improve.
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