Newbie Mini Mafia LI - Page 10

On January 07 2014 19:48 Derrida wrote:
@Balla, once again,

On January 07 2014 03:20 Balla24 wrote:


So what do you make of his claims that it was a ploy to catch band-wagoners? He responded exactly the way you would you say, which:

1. He has since retracted those statements against me saying he was trying to say something "trolly"
2. Lots of people have already called that initial response SCUMMY, which is why he was getting bandwagoned in the first place, so I ask you, whats your reasoning behind thinking that way?

On January 07 2014 03:32 Balla24 wrote:


Ugh. Really sorry to keep harping on your post, but there are a LOT of holes, IMO.

First off, you're doing the same thing Chyz was doing by putting words in my mouth (which again, he has since "retracted"). I didn't suggest cracking down on lurkers at all, I said I want to create an ENVIRONMENT where lurking is NOT a good strategy for scum, which I feel I have succeeded for the most part, that's why I keep insisting on having conversations etc...

Secondly: You're really trying to say that's the ONLY thing I have done? Do you disagree with all my analysis of people or something which makes you write it off as fluff? I don't get it.

On January 08 2014 04:30 theDragoon wrote:
It's not the act of self voting I'm questioning. It's the intention. Would mafia do that, 4 votes in?

On January 07 2014 19:42 chinstrap wrote:
I think we have the correct Day 1 lynch, I also think that everything that has been posted about the lynch since ~martyr post has been completely superfluous and should not be read into regardless of what colour theDragoon flips. The day basically ends there in my mind.

On January 07 2014 21:20 Day_Walker wrote:
@Balla's second question:


Judging by his actions, I don't have a strong read on Dragoon
The evidence against Dragoon looked very different to me than the rest of town. When people were talking about me and Dragoon as scum buddies, and then accusing us of trying to distance ourselves, I was the only townie who could read those posts and say "lol no". When Dragoon was defending himself against these accusation, I was the only townie who could read those posts and say "yup, this is 100% a guy defending himself against some false accusations". I think this in turn affected the weight I gave to other accusations against him. For example, I think most other people saw his snap OWB vote as scummy. Since I knew that OWB's scum-buddy accusation was false, I thought "well, I can't really tell if this is a frustrated townie lashing out or a cornered scum lashing out". The way Town has interacted with Dragoon over the last day has made it difficult for me to get a good read on him, because I'm not sure how to tell the difference between frustrated townie and cornered scum.

Judging by the entire game, I lean town for Dragoon.

This most heavily rests on my scum read for dnyarri, and the fact that dnyarri placed the very first for Dragoon. Based on the vote, I think it unlikely that both dnyarri AND Dragoon are scum, and this turns my scum read for dnyarri into a town read for Dragoon. And for the reasons I just gave, this sounds a lot more plausible to me than to any other townie.

@Balla's first question:


Let me try that again.
I saw two people that I suspect as scum, dnyarri and OWB, contribute early on in the Dragoon lynch (votes 1 and 3) for reasons that didn't look strong to me (again my take is different here, since I'm the only town who knows OWB's accusation was completely untrue). The Town was already suspicious of Dragoon, the lynch took off, and sidesprang capped it off with another scummy-feeling vote.

To summarize:
I am not adamant that Dragoon is town, although I suspect he is. I am adamant that dnyarri is a better lynch target.
I my read on Dragoon and the situation in general has been influenced by information available only to scum, me, and Dragoon, and I understand that the rest of Town may not share my views.