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Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 07 2014 10:53 GMT
#608
On January 07 2014 19:48 Derrida wrote:
@Balla, once again,
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will you wake up before the vote deadline or is your vote final?

ya I'll be here hopefully long before that
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 07 2014 11:04 GMT
#609
Derrida I think you may have missed me asking for you to go back and read my posts on pg20 (your grand entrance), because you did not post responses to some of the concerns I brought up, I will quote them, hold on... shit is too hard on mobile
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 07 2014 11:05 GMT
#610
On January 07 2014 03:20 Balla24 wrote:
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On January 07 2014 03:07 Derrida wrote:
TheChyz: responded exactly the way I would to Balla's initial aggressively-active attitude, so he didn't ring any alarm bells for me. Came through as a skeptic that got bandwagoned really hard for no tangible reason. Alert level: GREEN


So what do you make of his claims that it was a ploy to catch band-wagoners? He responded exactly the way you would you say, which:

1. He has since retracted those statements against me saying he was trying to say something "trolly"
2. Lots of people have already called that initial response SCUMMY, which is why he was getting bandwagoned in the first place, so I ask you, whats your reasoning behind thinking that way?

Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 07 2014 11:06 GMT
#611
On January 07 2014 03:32 Balla24 wrote:
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On January 07 2014 03:07 Derrida wrote:

Balla24: initially looked suspiciously scummy with what I thought to be an over-the-top aggressive style that tries to win credibility. So far only suggested cracking down on lurkers, which is not necessarily an anti-scum policy as far as I understand. Looks like much talk no action to me, high activity does not presuppose him being a townie. Alert level: ORANGE


Ugh. Really sorry to keep harping on your post, but there are a LOT of holes, IMO.

First off, you're doing the same thing Chyz was doing by putting words in my mouth (which again, he has since "retracted"). I didn't suggest cracking down on lurkers at all, I said I want to create an ENVIRONMENT where lurking is NOT a good strategy for scum, which I feel I have succeeded for the most part, that's why I keep insisting on having conversations etc...

Secondly: You're really trying to say that's the ONLY thing I have done? Do you disagree with all my analysis of people or something which makes you write it off as fluff? I don't get it.

Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 07 2014 11:07 GMT
#612
and with that, goodnight!!! <3
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 07 2014 19:38 GMT
#667
Back... first let me answer everything that was levied directly at me:

@Suki: Yes and no, for the most part no i dont disagree, BUT... you are overlooking a lot of things that come with a lynch... do we have future targets? Do we gain information if he happens to flip town? Etc etc.. Is he already pressured enough that we will be able to catch him in the future?

My opinion on dragoon is still the same, I want to lynch him. I'm not sure if I consider him the scummiest, he's still scummy... Regardless I want to see this lynch through, there's plenty to gain from it on both sides of the flip. FTR though suki, this question was really loaded...
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 07 2014 19:39 GMT
#668
On January 08 2014 04:30 theDragoon wrote:
It's not the act of self voting I'm questioning. It's the intention. Would mafia do that, 4 votes in?


Would town?
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 07 2014 19:55 GMT
#672
Dat policy discussion insight from OWB...

Why oh why did you feel the need to answer for Chyz there?
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 07 2014 20:04 GMT
#674
Of course it matters... the answer coming from you is scummy, the answer coming from Chyz forces him to actually have an opinion on why it might be a good or bad strategy for mafia or anybody or whatever. All he's said is it's bad and mafia would do it.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 07 2014 20:09 GMT
#676
It's scummy from you because that's literally all you did last game.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 07 2014 20:17 GMT
#678
You don't follow ^_^. I'm speaking about "policy discussion", that's pretty much all you posted about. You can move on though, no reason to dwell on this.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 07 2014 20:27 GMT
#679
Does anybody see this lynch not going through atm? Only way I see it is if someone slips majorly. With that said, does anybody mind if i start bringing up different shit that I was waiting for the conversation to die down for? It's pretty much completely unrelated to dragoon...
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 07 2014 20:32 GMT
#681
That's a weird question, considering you're going to die haha... once you're dead you can't talk anyways... but yeah, everyone can still talk in this thread at night.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 07 2014 20:56 GMT
#685
On January 07 2014 19:42 chinstrap wrote:
I think we have the correct Day 1 lynch, I also think that everything that has been posted about the lynch since ~martyr post has been completely superfluous and should not be read into regardless of what colour theDragoon flips. The day basically ends there in my mind.


^

The problem I have with daywalker is he waited so freaking long to start defending dragoon... and then suddenly he's like "meh i don't think i need to defend him anymore" just cause dragoon posted. Only after I prompted him to ACTUALLY defend him did he post this:

On January 07 2014 21:20 Day_Walker wrote:
@Balla's second question:
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On January 07 2014 19:52 Balla24 wrote:
On January 07 2014 15:41 Day_Walker wrote:
I don't like the lynch on theDragoon.

I'll give my reasoning in a bit, but I want hear more from Dragoon first.


Please explain more. You have since said you don't think you need to but I didn't really understand that. You are very adamant that dragoon is going to flip town, why? What has he done that makes him so town to you?


Judging by his actions, I don't have a strong read on Dragoon
The evidence against Dragoon looked very different to me than the rest of town. When people were talking about me and Dragoon as scum buddies, and then accusing us of trying to distance ourselves, I was the only townie who could read those posts and say "lol no". When Dragoon was defending himself against these accusation, I was the only townie who could read those posts and say "yup, this is 100% a guy defending himself against some false accusations". I think this in turn affected the weight I gave to other accusations against him. For example, I think most other people saw his snap OWB vote as scummy. Since I knew that OWB's scum-buddy accusation was false, I thought "well, I can't really tell if this is a frustrated townie lashing out or a cornered scum lashing out". The way Town has interacted with Dragoon over the last day has made it difficult for me to get a good read on him, because I'm not sure how to tell the difference between frustrated townie and cornered scum.

Judging by the entire game, I lean town for Dragoon.

This most heavily rests on my scum read for dnyarri, and the fact that dnyarri placed the very first for Dragoon. Based on the vote, I think it unlikely that both dnyarri AND Dragoon are scum, and this turns my scum read for dnyarri into a town read for Dragoon. And for the reasons I just gave, this sounds a lot more plausible to me than to any other townie.

@Balla's first question:
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On January 07 2014 19:46 Balla24 wrote:
@DW you specifically said something like 'I believe we saw Mafia run a bandwagon' so by that you meant they hopped on the bandwagon and not that they led the bandwagon?


Let me try that again.
I saw two people that I suspect as scum, dnyarri and OWB, contribute early on in the Dragoon lynch (votes 1 and 3) for reasons that didn't look strong to me (again my take is different here, since I'm the only town who knows OWB's accusation was completely untrue). The Town was already suspicious of Dragoon, the lynch took off, and sidesprang capped it off with another scummy-feeling vote.

To summarize:
I am not adamant that Dragoon is town, although I suspect he is. I am adamant that dnyarri is a better lynch target.
I my read on Dragoon and the situation in general has been influenced by information available only to scum, me, and Dragoon, and I understand that the rest of Town may not share my views.



Where most of his defense relied on his POV about the "dragoon/DW" relationship... Definitely have to agree with chinstrap... the timing of all this makes it so that I think i'm going to have to ignore everything in regards to DW at least out the window after dragoon martyred
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 07 2014 21:15 GMT
#694
Both cases ends up relatively ambiguous if the lynch target flips town... I don't see the benefit of one over the other.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 07 2014 21:18 GMT
#698
That's fine lol, doesn't make it more or less ambiguous... FWIW your logic is 100% sound... it's just that i'm not one to come to a decision about situations like that as fast as you clearly.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 07 2014 21:22 GMT
#703
Anyways yeah, dragoon's posts haven't really instilled anymore confidence in me since the martyr that he is town... in fact in the opposite direction. I'm joining the confident people. Go go die scum..
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 07 2014 21:24 GMT
#706
Who knows what will happen tonight... 72 hours is a long time... plus we're gonna have all the juicy night actions to talk about.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 07 2014 21:24 GMT
#708
But anyways:

On January 08 2014 06:20 LoneMeow wrote:
Currently, theDragoon is set to be lynched.


Hheuehuheu
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 07 2014 21:44 GMT
#713
Woah fuck that jonny what????????
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